TO and Shockey

[twentytwo]

Ok.

Go check Garcia's stats WITH TO and without. Over 30 TD's with TO in his offense - 2 years in a row. Never sniffed that again when TO left.


Go check McNabb's stats WITH TO and without. 31 TD's with TO. McNabb first and only time over 30 TD's.


There is absolutely a way of knowing. Just check Owens/QB success.

A large part of "The legend of Tony Romo" is due in part to having TO in his offense.

I'm with you. Anyone who tries to say that TO does not make his quarterback better is completely oblivious.

Would Tony be able to put up the numbers he has put up without TO? I think so to some extent...but TO has been a huge part of this offense since he has been here.

 

[jobberone]

Owens screaming at teammates is getting old for me. I have no idea if the players are upset about it or not.

Owens is not happy unless we are winning and he's getting the ball. You aren't going to change that. Likely not the screaming either.

Owens doesn't cause that many INTs IMO. But I could be wrong.

 

[Boysboy]

I'm with you. Anyone who tries to say that TO does not make his quarterback better is completely oblivious.

Would Tony be able to put up the numbers he has put up without TO? I think so to some extent...but TO has been a huge part of this offense since he has been here.

For the record, in '05 when Owens' distractions was getting to the team, McNabb was STILL putting up Pro Bowl numbers DESPITE playing with a sports hernia.

Just saying...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Can I borrow this?

your quote - "That has zero to do with what I said but ok."





I made my point.
You evaded.

Nice try, you used two samples as did I. The same two.

Has Garcia not been very erratic in his career?
Did McNabb not get to the SB while owens was injured?
to boot most say the only weapon McNabb ever had was owens.
That would be on their GM, who knows what he can do with steady talent.
Yes he did well with owens, then owens almost killed his career too.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

For the record, in '05 when Owens' distractions was getting to the team, McNabb was STILL putting up Pro Bowl numbers DESPITE playing with a sports hernia.

Just saying...

Good point but he was better with owens. That has to be admitted.
But what else has he ever had, worth a crap? According to Philly fans.

 

[Boysboy]

Nice try, you used two samples as did I. The same two.

Has Garcia not been very erratic in his career?
Did McNabb not get to the SB while owens was injured?
to boot most say the only weapon McNabb ever had was owens.
That would be on their GM, who knows what he can do with steady talent.
Yes he did well with owens, then owens almost killed his career too.

Didn't the Eagles play a bad Minny team and a very overrated Atlanta team? What if they had played Green Bay or Carolina instead?

Didn't Garcia's erratic play come when he played for two BAD FRANCHISES in Cleveland and Detroit?

 

[Givincer]

It's really not that far fetched of an idea. To be honest, a part of me (a big part) is sort of hoping Dallas cuts ties with TO after the season.

If TO were to be cut after this year, I'd have a hard time being that optimistic about this offense's chances to be great going into 2010.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Didn't the Eagles play a bad Minny team and a very overrated Atlanta team? What if they had played Green Bay or Carolina instead?

Didn't Garcia's erratic play come when he played for two BAD FRANCHISES in Cleveland and Detroit?

They still did what they had to do, with out owens right?

And yes, but it is what it is.

 

[Boysboy]

They still did what they had to do, with out owens right?

And yes, but it is what it is.

I became a Jeff Garcia fan when he helped Philly make that run to steal the division 2 years ago. He really displayed alot of heart and leadership in the final sprint when it looked like the Eagles were dead.

 

[5Countem5]

They still did what they had to do, with out owens right?

And yes, but it is what it is.

Hey Dave...

What does Michael Irvin think of TO? He knows more than you right? So what's his take on it?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hey Dave...

What does Michael Irvin think of TO? He knows more than you right? So what's his take on it?

Ya know whats funny? You are the one who is now proving your an idiot.
My work is done here.

 

[sbark]

Almost seems like having TO around for most QB's, is like alot of golfers with a big Driver #'s......wants to bomb it and wedge it.......

never learns the middle iron game, never learn the true short game.......

they become adicted to hitting that big play, but forget the statistcal odds of doing so time after time.....

especially against a "major course" such as Pitts D

 

[5Countem5]

Ya know whats funny? You are the one who is now proving your an idiot.
My work is done here.

Wow!!!

You just insult and cannot answer a question. How pathetic.

C'mon- Does Irvin agree with you? Stop insulting and answer.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm with you. Anyone who tries to say that TO does not make his quarterback better is completely oblivious.

Would Tony be able to put up the numbers he has put up without TO? I think so to some extent...but TO has been a huge part of this offense since he has been here.

Tony would be less effective without TO. Good numbers but not GREAT numbers like he has.

Nice try, you used two samples as did I. The same two.

Has Garcia not been very erratic in his career?
Did McNabb not get to the SB while owens was injured?
to boot most say the only weapon McNabb ever had was owens.
That would be on their GM, who knows what he can do with steady talent.
Yes he did well with owens, then owens almost killed his career too.

There is no try.. only do.
And I did make my case.

My samples specifically SHOW that TO made CAREER years for each QB.

McNabb went to three straight NFC title games and lost... law of averages... law of averages...

Garcia = erratic... ok that has zero to do with his best year WITH TO.