To Draft Top 5 or Top 15? A Subjective Data Analysis

Avery

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It's Sunday morning, I'm bored, the family's still asleep and I keep finding Legos scattered around my living room.

In an effort to somehow formulate some data-driven insights into the discussion of tanking the next two games instead of stealing one or two of them, I wanted to find out if we'll simply get a better player from #1 - #5 vs. #6 - #15. My sample size is the last ten years of drafts. While far from a comprehensive study, at a high-level, I wanted to actually have some numbers speaking to the importance of draft position vs. anecdotes. I did not include this year's rookie class simply to give them some more time to develop before bringing the guillotine down.

This is a Google spreadsheet so I'd love it for others to take a look and edit as necessary as this is a quick look at the importance of position. The grades I gave are on a 1 - 5 scale; a 1 is a complete bust, a 5 to be a Pro-Bowl caliber player. If you feel a player should be moved up or down on their grade, make the change, I won't have my feelings hurt and may be off on a few guys as I can't watch 16 games a week.

Some quick highlights:

6 of the last 10 years, top 5 has yielded a higher average
The 2011 draft was just awesome
2009 was not
With the exception of Claiborne, we've drafted quite well lately in the first round

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oi58VqnvoXT8RCij1NmCz49NI8E10-4WuuqxoSVmieM/edit#gid=0
 

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This is good stuff, Avery, but I'd just like to point out that even if you look at a particular draft where better players were picked outside of the top 5 it still wouldn't matter to me. Why? Because all those players were also available with the 1st-5th picks. The Cowboys getting as high a pick as they can isn't critical because of what some other teams did with similar picks in past years. It's about our scouting department getting their highest rated player in this class that they can when we're on the clock.
 

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Sorry, changed it to edit mode. You should be able to revise now.
 

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Thanks for the info.
Unless there is a sure fire HOFer, I feel there will be true quality in the top 15.
And remember draft dollars are slotted.
 

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Sorry, changed it to edit mode. You should be able to revise now.

Good spread.
No real argument with your assessments.

This collection of data simply highlights the difficulty that the best minds in football have in predicting success in the NFL.

The blue-chip "can't miss" prospects are few; some of the best are derailed only by injuries, but they still fail to live up to expectations.

For a team with lots of needs, it has proven wise for first round money to draft one of the biggest, strongest, smartest, and meanest types -- OL.
 

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This is good stuff, Avery, but I'd just like to point out that even if you look at a particular draft where better players were picked outside of the top 5 it still wouldn't matter to me. Why? Because all those players were also available with the 1st-5th picks. The Cowboys getting as high a pick as they can isn't critical because of what some other teams did with similar picks in past years. It's about our scouting department getting their highest rated player in this class that they can when we're on the clock.

Very good point.

Who knows what the Cowboys would have done with higher picks as opposed to who was actually drafted.

But from what I can tell, it seems like we have done poorly at actually selecting guys if it were up to us.

We went up to take Claiborne. We also would have taken Shazier instead of Martin. And our board had us taking Floyd instead of Frederick.

Personally I would like to trade down because I don't trust this team to make the right choice by putting all their eggs into one basket. Picking in the top 5 would probably see is taking the wrong guy, whereas trading down to the 10-15 range plus extra pick(s) would give us just as good of a shot to land an impactful 1st rounder and have some extras for good measure.

And yes, there is some rue factor in my thinking.
 

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Very good point.

Who knows what the Cowboys would have done with higher picks as opposed to who was actually drafted.

But from what I can tell, it seems like we have done poorly at actually selecting guys if it were up to us.

We went up to take Claiborne. We also would have taken Shazier instead of Martin. And our board had us taking Floyd instead of Frederick.

Personally I would like to trade down because I don't trust this team to make the right choice by putting all their eggs into one basket. Picking in the top 5 would probably see is taking the wrong guy, whereas trading down to the 10-15 range plus extra pick(s) would give us just as good of a shot to land an impactful 1st rounder and have some extras for good measure.

And yes, there is some rue factor in my thinking.

The Shazier pick was actually the b/u pick to Aaron Donald. Thats who they actually wanted over Martin and Shazier. From the looks of it, they would have been justified if they had been able to take him.
 

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What this analysis (and most like it ignore) is that you also pick top 5 every round. That is a lot of accumulated excess value unaccounted for.

We need to lose out.

That also represents real trade value. If we have 5 players valued the same, we can drop up to 4 spots, pick up a another pick or two and still get the guy we want.

I hate rooting for losses but I can sure see the silver lining.
 

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That also represents real trade value. If we have 5 players valued the same, we can drop up to 4 spots, pick up a another pick or two and still get the guy we want.

I hate rooting for losses but I can sure see the silver lining.

I'm still in that mode, unless there is a dominant player at our pick they should trade down 5 to 10 spots and get the extra picks.

If you go by the typical trade value chart, trading from 5 to 11 gets you an extra 2nd rounder. Trading from 5 to 15 gets you an extra 2nd and 4th.
 
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I'm still in that mode, unless there is a dominant player at our pick they should trade down 5 to 10 spots and get the extra picks.

If you go by the typical trade value chart, trading from 5 to 11 gets you an extra 2nd rounder. Trading from 5 to 15 gets you an extra 2nd and 4th.

It will be interesting which players other teams see as worth trading up for and we don't see as worth picking since we need upgrades at every position group.
 

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It will be interesting which players other teams see as worth trading up for and we don't see as worth picking since we need upgrades at every position group.

Yeah, I already anxious about the draft and its months away. And this board will argue it endlessly (shocker!) but you don't really know what the board looks like until a couple of weeks before the draft.

I think RB is our biggest need and a trade down is probably our best strategy, but if there is a clear cut, dominant player available at #5 who is a QB, LB, WR or CB I would take that player and never look back.
 
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Yeah, I already anxious about the draft and its months away. And this board will argue it endlessly (shocker!) but you don't really know what the board looks like until a couple of weeks before the draft.

I think RB is our biggest need and a trade down is probably our best strategy, but if there is a clear cut, dominant player available at #5 who is a QB, LB, WR or CB I would take that player and never look back.

what I'm saying is any guy another team wants to trade up for is likely somebody we can use unless it's a guard or a center,,,
 

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So what if no one wants to trade up? We should take those scenarios off the table.
 
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