To those who absolve Parcells of blame...

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The frustrating thing is that the talent level is light years ahead of where it was at the end of the Campo era. Just look at one of those rosters for kicks- none of those guys are even in the league anymore save one or two. Problem is the results on the field are not much better than the product Campo produced. In a lot of ways you can say that BP has done a worse coaching job than Campo.
 

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I stated awhile ago that Bill will leave here as a .500 coach......

Its not all his fault but I didnt see Bill as a saviour here.....a good head coach is a product of good assistants and I dont feel we have many good ones here....and the guys Bill was comfortable with or are above average were all taken.

Will the crap load of cap money and draft picks.....I expected a better return....we have some good players here and I think Bill was a big part of it....but we missed on a few.

I still dont see our OL any better then several years ago.....our pass rush is still pathetic.....our discipline is no where near acceptable and we still have no identity...

Our first year we played not to lose instead of trying to win and played field position.....I was disappointed in watching this unfold but understood that we didnt have the talent to open it up.......but since then.....its still the same....a very passive team.

Bill does look worn down.....and maybe it is time for him to step down.....he has made enough money now to retire and go to his horse racing and IMHO...that option is looking better and better to him.
 

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Bone;1148118 said:
So you wanna bring Campo Back or should we bring back Chan Gailey to try to reharness the magic of Aikman to LaFleur?

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No you don't want to bring Campo or Gailey back, but Chan Gailey actually got us into the playoffs. Wouldn't it be interesting though if we could chart the penalties per game under Campo, Gailey and Parcells.

Even though they wouldn't be apples to apples because of variables it would still be kind of interesting to see how close or far apart they were compared to Parcells.
 

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The problem is the players are not being held accountable for their actions. Parcells answer to poor practices is to cancel practice or pull the coaches and leave the players to fend for themselves. You play like you practice and they need someone out there putting a boot in rears instead of calling off practice. Hey when they screw up run 'em until they drop.
 

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Can someone please explain to me the fascination with Jeff Fisher? I'm curious how his record at Tennessee somehow makes him desirable. His teams the past few years aren't doing very well, & I defy you to tell me the players he's drafted are the type you'd want playing for the Cowboys. Do you really want those thugs & criminals being drafted by the Cowboys--ESPECIALLY given the notoriety of the Cowboys from the Irvin days? Peter King phrases it pretty well on his MMQB--that Jones is indeed looking at Fisher, but because Fisher will go along with whoever Jones drafts.

A college coach like Stoops or any other flavor of the day? Hmmm.... I seem to recall people claiming that Spurrier or Davis or Erickson would be the next great coach. Cough. And Saban is really tearing up the league this year.

Most teams need a good QB to make them or break them. (As I recall, the Pats didn't look too good last night when Brady did poorly. Tell me they'd be where they are without Brady, genius tho people claim Belichick is.) Cowher was doing fairly poorly until he found Big Ben (got him BECAUSE they'd had such a bad year the year before). Billick had been doing pretty poorly the last couple of years until he hit a hot hand with a recycled QB (who he'd better hope stays healthy). Gruden is still trying to get a QB who's consistent. Holmgren coached in Seattle for how many years before even winning one playoff game, but hit it right with Hasselbeck. Fox has a good QB in Delhomme--but they're at 4-4 right along with us. Schottenheimer still hasn't won a playoff game. And there's no way Payton would be looking like a genius right now if Brooks were still playing for NO. He's had the fortune of a good QB who needed a job, a team that actually has a home this year, & a pretty good nucleus of players who were in place.

It's absolutely disappointing that the team is at 4-4 right now. But Parcells seems to have found a QB who looks pretty good. I'm not annointing him the new Aikman just yet, but he's been very impressive so far. There's clearly some undisciplined behavior that needs to be addressed. The HC absolutely has to take the ultimate responsibility, but I wonder if some of it is youngsters still looking for a locker room leader & the distractions that, yes, TO has brought--along with Jerry constantly making excuses for him. What kind of a message has that sent to the team? I still have hope for this year, & I get really excited thinking what next year will look like with Romo starting from Day One--& hopefully TO & his circus act gone. (I'm betting our record this year would be better than it is now if Romo had started from the first day--& given Jerry's comments, it appears he was really the driving one on keeping Bledsoe in. I have a sneaking suspicion we'd be one or two games better.)

As someone else pointed out, this tiresome thread pops up every time there's a loss. A replacement coach is just like a backup QB--everyone's fantasy until they actually get the job. Once they do...well, how long did it take for this team to find Romo? Or the Steelers to find Big Ben?

I go back to what I asked initially. Could someone please explain to me what Fisher (or any other coach) would bring--other than that he's not Parcells? Be careful what you wish for, but I'm really baffled on what Fisher would somehow magically do that Parcells hasn't. Other than draft a bunch of jailbirds (if he's allowed to do any drafting at all).

Or even Jimmy Johnson. Again--be careful what you wish for. Skins fans thought Gibbs would be the next coming as well. It's difficult to go home again. And Jimmy has a track record after his magic days. He didn't exactly light things up in Miami. For those that want to argue Parcells is purely the result of Belichick, you could make the same argument that JJ is the result of Turner & his other assistants.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1148076 said:
... and I know you are out there...

How can you possibly defend him anymore?

Four years and barely over .500 -- that's unacceptable. Yet I still see "stupid players", "too soft", "no heart", etc. used as excuses for why the Hall of Famer shouldn't really be blamed for the condition this franchise is in.

Will anyone admit that this team has been poorly coached, poorly stocked, and poorly instructed for the last three years now?
your argument defeated itself with the highlighted portion.

the only real rap you can hang on Tuna is his GAMEDAY coaching is less than desired... middle-of-the-pack. it cost us a win to some degree sunday by going by "the book" and trying for 2 when common sense says "ignore the sheet" until early 4th qr.

the team is well coached... during play after botched play the team said they SCREWED UP ON PLAYS THEY KNEW WERE COMING. that is well prepared. the facemasks vs NYG early and late yesterday.... they're not coached to do that... come on.

unfortunately after a decade of decay culminating in 5-11, 5-11, 5-11 and no high draft picks due to dumb trades, our "players" are still dumb (like 9 out of 10 NFL'ers of this era) AND tuna is not fit to GAMEDAY COACH dumb players. You need a larger margin of error as evident by the blocked FG.

Tuna is setting up a tactical strike, but unfortunately when he has his target in sights and locked in the cruise missle misfires at launch. (philly game, jax game, end of game yesterday most recently)
 

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MichaelWinicki;1148094 said:
There are many people that should shoulder "blame" in all this. It isn't just one person. Jerry, Ireland, Bill, the rest of the coaches... and the players.

I would bet that if this team does not make the playoffs this year then Bill is gone.

There is no way this team should be a .500 club. It's undisciplined. It's unfocused. And Bledsoe should have never been allowed to start the season.

I agree, it's a franchise-wide blame here

coaches and players
 

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cowboyed;1148443 said:
No you don't want to bring Campo or Gailey back, but Chan Gailey actually got us into the playoffs. Wouldn't it be interesting though if we could chart the penalties per game under Campo, Gailey and Parcells.

Even though they wouldn't be apples to apples because of variables it would still be kind of interesting to see how close or far apart they were compared to Parcells.

it was pretty bad under Campo, we were actually one of the least penalized teams in the league last year, I don't know, maybe Parcells needs to take a 'bat' to this team
 

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kittymama, chinch

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Bill prepares his team better than any other coach, or is one of the top coaches in that area, just something about our players, and Kitty, you may be right, we may be devoide of that franchise-type leader
 

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Chocolate Lab;1148076 said:
... and I know you are out there...

How can you possibly defend him anymore?

Four years and barely over .500 -- that's unacceptable. Yet I still see "stupid players", "too soft", "no heart", etc. used as excuses for why the Hall of Famer shouldn't really be blamed for the condition this franchise is in.

Will anyone admit that this team has been poorly coached, poorly stocked, and poorly instructed for the last three years now?

Yeah I'll admit that... if others will admit the same thing could be said of their boy Jimmy once he went to Miami. Not much better than .500, his 4 year record worse than the 4 years before he got there and bowing out after a 62-7 playoff shellacking.

Yet people would jump for joy if he came back in Bill's stead. Why is that.. they miss the hair or what?
 

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cowboyed;1148443 said:
No you don't want to bring Campo or Gailey back, but Chan Gailey actually got us into the playoffs. Wouldn't it be interesting though if we could chart the penalties per game under Campo, Gailey and Parcells.

Even though they wouldn't be apples to apples because of variables it would still be kind of interesting to see how close or far apart they were compared to Parcells.


Yes Gailey did, then we were embarrassed at home by the bloody Cardinals.
 

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DipChit;1148564 said:
Yeah I'll admit that... if others will admit the same thing could be said of their boy Jimmy once he went to Miami. Not much better than .500, his 4 year record worse than the 4 years before he got there and bowing out after a 62-7 playoff shellacking.

Yet people would jump for joy if he came back in Bill's stead. Why is that.. they miss the hair or what?


Good point, Johnson was a failure in Miami.
 

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summerisfunner;1148536 said:
it was pretty bad under Campo, we were actually one of the least penalized teams in the league last year, I don't know, maybe Parcells needs to take a 'bat' to this team


true enough summerisfunner, last year we were one of the least penalized teams. But it makes you scratch your head doesn't it. If the bane to winning is limiting turnovers why didn't we play lights out into the playoffs.

I actually know part of the answer... not enough playmaking. We are like some dam that looks impressive than starts springing more and more leaks.

So far the first half of the season has been like jumping into a barrel of teats and coming up sucking your thumb.
 

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cowboyed;1152462 said:
So far the first half of the season has been like jumping into a barrel of teats and coming up sucking your thumb.
Never tried it.

So where is this barrel?
 

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ZeroClub;1152466 said:
Never tried it.

So where is this barrel?

I confess zeroclub, I am still looking for it myself. I am thinking a biohazard storage facility...
 
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