Todd McShay: Cowboys have chance to draft cornerback with ‘the tools to be great’

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just hope our DB scouting has improved since we called Mo the best CB prospect since deion.

Your opinion would have more weight if the entire NFL community hadn't pretty much considered him the best defensive prospect in the draft.

Of course, that mismatch between expectations and results are what can make The Draft so interesting.
 

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Your opinion would have more weight if the entire NFL community hadn't pretty much considered him the best defensive prospect in the draft.

Of course, that mismatch between expectations and results are what can make The Draft so interesting.

That's what many forget.

Mo was rated sky-hi by everyone. Some even had him as the #1 defensive player of the draft.

This wasn't some 2nd rounder the Cowboys took early in the first round.

And you're right, sometimes draft picks simply do not pan out.
 

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It's always a good morning when you wake up and realize the Cowboys could draft a cornerback in the 1st round.

Meh, I laugh in a very uncomfortable kind of way. Man, CB's are hard to evaluate guys. We aren't the only ones with major issues evaluating this position. That said, I'd like to go in another direction this draft.
 

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That's what many forget.

Mo was rated sky-hi by everyone. Some even had him as the #1 defensive player of the draft.

This wasn't some 2nd rounder the Cowboys took early in the first round.

And you're right, sometimes draft picks simply do not pan out.

All true. The thing I'm starting to realize in recent years is that guys from Bama and LSU are pretty hard to evaluate. Sure, they are madly talented but so are all their teammates. Work ethic, dedication and upside are questionable in some of these guys. Football is a game you have to LOVE. Sure, they all love getting paid but what will their work ethic be after they get that first big check? Hard to say.
 

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Meh, I laugh in a very uncomfortable kind of way. Man, CB's are hard to evaluate guys. We aren't the only ones with major issues evaluating this position. That said, I'd like to go in another direction this draft.

Yeah, the Cowboys haven't done well, outside of Scandrick. But if they're going to have a good defense again, they're going to have to get better at it.

I've just looked at this draft every which way and a high rated corner is likely to be there at #27, where I'm not convince a high rated DL will be.
 

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All true. The thing I'm starting to realize in recent years is that guys from Bama and LSU are pretty hard to evaluate. Sure, they are madly talented but so are all their teammates. Work ethic, dedication and upside are questionable in some of these guys. Football is a game you have to LOVE. Sure, they all love getting paid but what will their work ethic be after they get that first big check? Hard to say.

Agreed. Trying to evaluate players who are part of a group of outstanding players becomes that much harder.
 

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That's what many forget.

Mo was rated sky-hi by everyone. Some even had him as the #1 defensive player of the draft.

This wasn't some 2nd rounder the Cowboys took early in the first round.

And you're right, sometimes draft picks simply do not pan out.

We don't know that Mo would've gone high without the Boys. Rams needed a CB but were more than happy to trade away from Claiborne.
 

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That's what many forget.

Mo was rated sky-hi by everyone. Some even had him as the #1 defensive player of the draft.

This wasn't some 2nd rounder the Cowboys took early in the first round.

And you're right, sometimes draft picks simply do not pan out.

Yeah. The real problem with the pick was that the Cowboys never considered that contingency. They ended up having to make an unexpected decision with less than 15 minutes to do it. I've always suspected that Ryan was noisily pushing for DBs, and Mo's sort of CB in particular. The eventual problems with the defense, despite JJ getting him what he wanted, was part of the reason he got the boot, imo.

Right now, with two CBs likely to be gone next year, the Cowboys have to be thinking seriously about a CB early. Maybe even double dip. Especially since there will probably be a couple of corners ranked high in the players available at 27.
 

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We don't know that Mo would've gone high without the Boys. Rams needed a CB but were more than happy to trade away from Claiborne.

You're right we don't know. Regardless virtually everyone had the guy rated high. I doubt he would have fallen out of the top-10.
 

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Yeah. The real problem with the pick was that the Cowboys never considered that contingency. They ended up having to make an unexpected decision with less than 15 minutes to do it. I've always suspected that Ryan was noisily pushing for DBs, and Mo's sort of CB in particular. The eventual problems with the defense, despite JJ getting him what he wanted, was part of the reason he got the boot, imo.

Right now, with two CBs likely to be gone next year, the Cowboys have to be thinking seriously about a CB early. Maybe even double dip. Especially since there will probably be a couple of corners ranked high in the players available at 27.

Agreed that Ryan probably was an influencer on Jerry taking the Ram's offer.
 

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Your opinion would have more weight if the entire NFL community hadn't pretty much considered him the best defensive prospect in the draft.

Of course, that mismatch between expectations and results are what can make The Draft so interesting.

no the entire community did NOT say that. the majority did of course but those that disagreed pinpointed exactly where he failed. Hype machines some times take in the so called smart as well.
 

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Why are you not a Byron Jones fan? He's an elite athlete with good coverage skills.

Yeah, he can run like the wind and will be terrific going up and contesting for the ball, plus he is really good in coverage and will really hit you... besides that and great intagibles and leadership... what has he got?
 

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I re watched the UConn vs East Carolina game from last year because ECU WR Justin Hardy pretty much torched all comers last year.

Sure enough, Hardy put up huge numbers with 14 catches and 185 yards.
But after a closer look, I came away very impressed with Jones. ECU moved Hardy around after awhile to improve their match ups and avoid Jones.
The kid is very athletic and skilled, but he does have some technique issues and gets lured into some penalties.

But he's much more real than I thought. Not just a great athlete afterall.

Nice to see someone who can actually change their opinion with new info.

Kudos brother.
 

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just hope our DB scouting has improved since we called Mo the best CB prospect since deion.

By best since Deion, I think they meant best at avoiding tackling.

Seriously though, the scouts have been knocking home runs since 2010. I no longer worry about that at all.

It does make you nervous about DB's though, lol.
 

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Those scouts would be unemployed if I was GM.
I have wondered if Ciskowski's "reassignment" (read: demotion) wasn't linked to Claiborne and the Sheriff Floyd debacle.

There is no doubt that Dallas has been among the very best drafting teams since 2010 though.
 

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Agreed that Ryan probably was an influencer on Jerry taking the Ram's offer.

I also think Ryan helped convince Jerry to take Mo.

It truly was a very cheap trade up from 14 to 6 and I think the "value" of that trade was simply too much for Jerry to pass up. And I also think that it was a turning point for Jerry to learn to defer to McClay, Stephen, and Garrett on those matters. Jerry learned a harsh lesson about being impulsive on a highly rated prospect that the team had not done its due diligence.

IMO, Claiborne's failure is due to his learning disorder, or whatever you want to call it. He just isn't a fast learner and I don't feel like he 'thinks on his feet' very well. That slipping though the cracks was a direct result of the lack of time spent talking with Mo and digging in to the mental side of things. Some players get by without being a brain surgeon, but that varies from position to position but football IQ is an integral part of success for anyone. IOW he helps no matter where you play. Corner is a spot where intelligence is very much needed. So many moving parts and so many nuances to playing that position.

A position like RB is, in large part, just instincts and reacting. CB's have to think a whole lot.

Not getting to know their first round pick on a personal level and seeing what they were getting was what blew that first (and second) round pick. The players that they had scouted heavily and interviewed in personal visits (Michael Brockers and Bobby Wagner) have turned out to be excruciatingly good players.

The Dallas scouting department does a damn good job... the front office simply has to be smart and methodical about it and not break protocol because a trade is cheaper than they thought. A move up is fine if it is for a player that you have done your due diligence on. Doing it for a guy you don't really even know is just crazy.

They won't do that again, IMO.
 

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just hope our DB scouting has improved since we called Mo the best CB prospect since deion.

It's more on them for failing to do their complete vetting of him cause they weren't expecting to get him. They would have found out that he didn't have the mentality to be that and injuries haven't helped. The drafting has been better, IMO.
 

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I re watched the UConn vs East Carolina game from last year because ECU WR Justin Hardy pretty much torched all comers last year.

Sure enough, Hardy put up huge numbers with 14 catches and 185 yards.
But after a closer look, I came away very impressed with Jones. ECU moved Hardy around after awhile to improve their match ups and avoid Jones.
The kid is very athletic and skilled, but he does have some technique issues and gets lured into some penalties.

But he's much more real than I thought. Not just a great athlete afterall.

I say we trade up to #6 to make sure we get Byron Jones. Don't want him going anywhere else. Who's coming with me? :p
 
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