Tom Brady's legacy

[Nova]

So it looks like the Patriots are now 14-5 without Brady since he took over QB1. A winning percentage of .74

Their winning percentage with him is .76

We've seen Matt Cassell perform admirably and lead them to an 11-5 record just to fall flat on his face as soon as he left.

We've seen Jimmy G step in and look just as good as anyone.

And now, Jacoby Brissett leads the team to a 27-0 trouncing of the Texans.

I'm not going to argue that Brady isn't a great QB...

But does this hurt his legacy at all?

For me I went back and forth on having him as the GOAT. But it's really hard for me to do that now.

Thoughts?

 

[Tabascocat]

He played on a team with great coaching and system/scheme. I can't take away from his legacy because of that, but if he would have been on the Browns, Raiders or any other sub-par team......he probably would not be close to the discussion for the GOAT in my opinion. Tom has been very fortunate to have played his entire career for them.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Not to take anything from his legacy but all his SB wins have been by what 3-4 points each? He looks like a d-bag too,

 

[Leadbelly]

I think all it does is raise Belichick's legacy, which was already high. Dismantling Houston and putting up 27-0 with a QB3 rookie is as impressed as I've ever been.

Doesn't matter who the asst coaches are. Doesn't matter who the players are. Mumbles just wins and he's the common thread.

 

[Blackspider214]

Bradshaw and Aikman weren't the most talented QBs to play and were in the perfect situation at the time and took advantage. Brady did the same thing. The amount of Super Bowls they won are at the very top and at the end, that's their legacy. You can try and dis-credit it any way you want but it's really a moot point.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I disagree that Brady isn't a great QB. I think they benefitted from playing the Dolphins (who had a trip to Seattle the week before) and also playing at home.

Although it does go to show the strength of Belichick as a coach. I think it's safe to say that Belichick coaches players while doofuses like Bill O'Brien and Jason Garrett coach systems.

The other thing is that Belichick has a better understanding of the analytics of the game. While most coaches stick to the 'script the first 15 plays' approach, Belichick is out to get out to a fast start and rack up points right away. Could have to do with the fact that historically teams that are up by only 8 or more points in the first quarter go on to win 80% of the time. So take advantage of those coaches that want to 'ease' their way into a game.

Defensively, they play a ton of zone, he's the best coach of safeties in the league and coaches MLB's well. Tough to give up easy TD's when youre safeties and MLB are well coached. And with good safety and MLB play, you can make players like Asante Samuel look All-World in zone coverage. And you can go 4-3 or 3-4 depending on the talent you have.





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[John813]

No. his legacy is those 3 superbowl wins.

On his stage, don't think it hurts Brady that his backups can win too.

It does increase Bill's already high legacy.

 

[landroverking]

I have always taken their SB wins with a grain of salt, the fact is no blowouts,
questions about cheating.

 

[LandryFan]

I think all it does is raise Belichick's legacy, which was already high. Dismantling Houston and putting up 27-0 with a QB3 rookie is as impressed as I've ever been.

Doesn't matter who the asst coaches are. Doesn't matter who the players are. Mumbles just wins and he's the common thread.

Totally agree. He made Brady. He made the Pats. I won't go so far as to say he's the GOAT, but he's in the conversation. He's only something like 10th all time in winning percentage of Coaches with 100 or more games, but he's gotten his wins in the salary cap era, which is much tougher, IMO. The only other coach in that category is Tony Dungy (Bilichick win % = .667, Dungy = .668). At any rate, Brady wouldn't be the golden boy without him. Neither would the Cheatriots, as a whole.

 

[haleyrules]

I think all it does is raise Belichick's legacy, which was already high. Dismantling Houston and putting up 27-0 with a QB3 rookie is as impressed as I've ever been.

Doesn't matter who the asst coaches are. Doesn't matter who the players are. Mumbles just wins and he's the common thread.

Yes. People don't have to like Belichick...but he deserves everyones respect. He is the best at what he does. Simple. Like Landry or Lombardi long before him.

 

[Miller]

This is silly

Belichick=Great
Brady=Great

That's like saying Staubach was alright because Danny White did well under Landry or Montana/Young and anyone else under Bill Walsh was just in a system so they must not be as great. It is silly. Brady won in years where he had scrub WRs and RBs and still put up record numbers. The kid that won last night didn't do anything. That is the difference. Credit Hoodie for the scheme for a scrub but realize the scrub didn't do a thing. Brady puts up monster numbers in a different gameplan altogether.

Please stop. If you think Brady was only good because of BB then you are barking up the wrong tree. You could easily say Brady made BB at times too because he made the no huddle look so easy/

If I got anything more out of last night it would be Belichick is a real coach that can adjust while we have a coach that has a hard time winning with anything but perfect circumstances.

 

[Joe Realist]

No. his legacy is those 3 superbowl wins.

On his stage, don't think it hurts Brady that his backups can win too.

It does increase Bill's already high legacy.

You mean 4 Super Bowl wins

 

[John813]

You mean 4 Super Bowl wins

whoops.

My bad.

 

[erod]

Either Belichick is a better coach than we thought, or Brady is a lesser QB than we thought.

It's not both.

 

[Kevinicus]

This is silly

Belichick=Great
Brady=Great

That's like saying Staubach was alright because Danny White did well under Landry or Montana/Young and anyone else under Bill Walsh was just in a system so they must not be as great. It is silly. Brady won in years where he had scrub WRs and RBs and still put up record numbers. The kid that won last night didn't do anything. That is the difference. Credit Hoodie for the scheme for a scrub but realize the scrub didn't do a thing. Brady puts up monster numbers in a different gameplan altogether.

Please stop. If you think Brady was only good because of BB then you are barking up the wrong tree. You could easily say Brady made BB at times too because he made the no huddle look so easy/

If I got anything more out of last night it would be Belichick is a real coach that can adjust while we have a coach that has a hard time winning with anything but perfect circumstances.

Nobody said that Brady wasn't great (though I would say he is way overrated - still great). But can you point to exactly when he put up record numbers with scrub WRs? His numbers take a drastic hit when Gronk is not in the lineup, and before Gronk his numbers weren't otherworldly without a great deal of talent (Moss, Welker, etc.) also in place.

Brady in Dallas his whole career? 0 SB wins. Lots of other very good/great QBs in NE the last 15 years? They have multiple SB rings too.

Brady is a top QB, but Belichick is the more important piece of the puzzle. And I don't think it's that close.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Tom Brady is one of the greatest QBs of all time. Might not like him but you can't take away from his legacy.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I think Brady is a great QB. But the AFC East has been downright dreadful during their run. They are guaranteed a home playoff game every year playing in the AFC East. The only thing they really play the regular season for...is too see if they will have a bye the first week...or homefiled advantage throughout.

 

[Miller]

Either Belichick is a better coach than we thought, or Brady is a lesser QB than we thought.

It's not both.

Or they are both great. I think it's strange that we are mad that JG can't coach up backups to win games while Romo is out yet if he did would that make Romo a lesser QB? BB is one of the greatest but backups winning doesn't lessen a starter consistently for years. We had Beurlein, Kosar and JG winning

 

[erod]

Or they are both great. I think it's strange that we are mad that JG can't coach up backups to win games while Romo is out yet if he did would that make Romo a lesser QB? BB is one of the greatest but backups winning doesn't lessen a starter consistently for years. We had Beurlein, Kosar and JG winning

But that was pre-salary cap and post-Jimmy drafting the players.

 

[erod]

Welp, now it looks like Brissett is hurt, too.

QB number 4, you're up.