CFZ Tony Pollard vs Saquon Barkley

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A note to Giants' RB Saquon Barkley - “We have our own killer speed RB too

Speed kills .. Defenses are simply scared to death of those kind of players. I used to hear the late John Madden say: " it's two things that NFL defenses fear the most ... Speed and a running QB. "

Just as Barkley has that kind of instant fear factor speed, and has always put defense on egg shell worries
- so does our own Tony Pollard.. his speed and instant explosiveness was the likely leading reason why we chose to invest far more in Pollard and let Zeke go.

Barkley still has elite burst and long run speed, but I’m not sure he is back to pre-ACL form. He used to be so difficult to wrap and coral to tackle. On a frequent basis, defenders would constantly just slide right off of him in the open field. But I don’t see that near as often now.

But in terms of run instincts, short/goal line power, receiving skills, and elite speed, Saquon is still quite the complete package to deal with.

Pollard: this will be his first year as primary full time starter. And under new OC/play caller direction, we hope to see his full exploits vs being limited under Kellen Moore. Especially as a receiver out of the backfield.

Tony has run instincts and vision, cut back agility, underrated break tackle ability, receiving skills and of course elite burst and speed. Always felt there are only a handful of backs in his league when it came to elite breakaway speed (barkley, taylor,henry, mccaffrey, chubb, cook, kamara and ET in jax)
He's not as powerful in lower body, more difficult to tackle than Barkley, not as good in goal line/short yrd, and we'll have to see if Tony can hold up per 15-20 "touches per game as full time starter in full 17 game season.

We'll see if rookie RBs Bijah Robinson and Gibbs will enter that fray.
 

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Pollard will still play much the same role as last year. He really a lead back in college, and he has hasn't been here.

If you ask him to do that, he'll be beaten to a pulp by a November.

15 carries a game and a few receptions. That's what he is.
 

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Pollard will still play much the same role as last year. He really a lead back in college, and he has hasn't been here.

If you ask him to do that, he'll be beaten to a pulp by a November.

15 carries a game and a few receptions. That's what he is.
Not the same role this year in '23.

Pollard was a spot, change of pace backup RB in relief of Zeke last year in 2022.
He was RB2.

This year Pollard is RB1.
The RB unit rolls and goes thru him first.

And Pollard was RB2 in college at Memphis State, sharing the role with Darrell Henderson who was
considering the better of the two Memphis RBs coming into the NFL draft.
 

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Not the same role this year in '23.

Pollard was a spot, change of pace backup RB in relief of Zeke last year in 2022.
He was RB2.

This year Pollard is RB1.
The RB unit rolls and goes thru him first.

And Pollard was RB2 in college at Memphis State, sharing the role with Darrell Henderson who was
considering the better of the two Memphis RBs coming into the NFL draft.
I don’t know where y’all are getting your info about Pollard at Memphis. Pollard wasn’t even the #2 (Henderson and Patrick Taylor were RB 1-2) He was primarily a receiver and gadget back there.

Having said all that, I think he’ll be just fine as a 15-20 touch guy (rushing + receiving).

The days of handing a ball off to one RB 25x a game are over.
 

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A note to Giants' RB Saquon Barkley - “We have our own killer speed RB too

Speed kills .. Defenses are simply scared to death of those kind of players. I used to hear the late John Madden say: " it's two things that NFL defenses fear the most ... Speed and a running QB. "

Just as Barkley has that kind of instant fear factor speed, and has always put defense on egg shell worries
- so does our own Tony Pollard.. his speed and instant explosiveness was the likely leading reason why we chose to invest far more in Pollard and let Zeke go.

Barkley still has elite burst and long run speed, but I’m not sure he is back to pre-ACL form. He used to be so difficult to wrap and coral to tackle. On a frequent basis, defenders would constantly just slide right off of him in the open field. But I don’t see that near as often now.

But in terms of run instincts, short/goal line power, receiving skills, and elite speed, Saquon is still quite the complete package to deal with.

Pollard: this will be his first year as primary full time starter. And under new OC/play caller direction, we hope to see his full exploits vs being limited under Kellen Moore. Especially as a receiver out of the backfield.

Tony has run instincts and vision, cut back agility, underrated break tackle ability, receiving skills and of course elite burst and speed. Always felt there are only a handful of backs in his league when it came to elite breakaway speed (barkley, taylor,henry, mccaffrey, chubb, cook, kamara and ET in jax)
He's not as powerful in lower body, more difficult to tackle than Barkley, not as good in goal line/short yrd, and we'll have to see if Tony can hold up per 15-20 "touches per game as full time starter in full 17 game season.

We'll see if rookie RBs Bijah Robinson and Gibbs will enter that fray.
Different RBs, but both bring a threat and defense has to game plan vs the run, hard thing to do vs Dallas.
Wanted Bijons understudy ... Raschon in this draft desperately, but it didn't happen, but we got best man up in DV I truly believe.
 

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I don’t know where y’all are getting your info about Pollard at Memphis. Pollard wasn’t even the #2 (Henderson and Patrick Taylor were RB 1-2) He was primarily a receiver and gadget back there.

Having said all that, I think he’ll be just fine as a 15-20 touch guy (rushing + receiving).

The days of handing a ball off to one RB 25x a game are over.
Reportedly Patrick Taylor missed a good half of his senior year 2019, per injury that led Pollard into the fray as RB2.
 

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Barkley never killed us at RB. He had some longer plays at receiving. Maybe a few long runs on broken plays when the defense was not as good.
Who knows maybe he has a breakout game.
But I don't see it.

I see this game as being Dak vs. Daniel. Which defense has better success against the opposing QB.
Unless Pollard surprises and does great. But I feel they will key on him, daring Dak to beat them.

Contain Jones from taking off running, same thing make him beat us with his arm.
 

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Pollard will still play much the same role as last year. He really a lead back in college, and he has hasn't been here.

If you ask him to do that, he'll be beaten to a pulp by a November.

15 carries a game and a few receptions. That's what he is.
You can’t pay a RB 10m$ to be a rotational guy, whether or not that’s “what he is.”

The fact that Dallas didn’t bring in another starting-caliber veteran further solidifies they’re going to attempt to give Pollard a feature role.
 

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Barkley n Pollard are slated to be the Top RBs in the NFCE. I would be happy to have either one of them, but for what Dallas is doing this season I think Pollard is an excellent RB for the Texas Toast Offense. TP's straight-line speed is crazy and scary for defenses, and now he should get more open field opportunities.

The first game will be fun to watch these RBs share the field.
 

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A healthy Saquon is significantly better than a healthy Pollard.

Different backs completely.
Im not seeing that one. Both players healthy are on par with one another. Pollard is between 5 and 6 ypc his entire career. I look at them as very similar. Pollard probably being the better receiver actually.
 

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Different RBs, but both bring a threat and defense has to game plan vs the run, hard thing to do vs Dallas.
Wanted Bijons understudy ... Raschon in this draft desperately, but it didn't happen, but we got best man up in DV I truly believe.
I wanted guys like Raschon, Tank Bigsby, Kendre Miller, Isreal Ibanakanda as well.

They could have teamed one of those guys with Pollard and Deuce for this year and then possible moved on from Pollard after this season.
 

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Who has the best RB is only slightly more relev5than who has the best fullback.

Nobody is "scared" of Barkley OR Pollard.

This isn't 1995.

Teams worry about QBs, receivers, and pass rushers.
 

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You can’t pay a RB 10m$ to be a rotational guy, whether or not that’s “what he is.”

The fact that Dallas didn’t bring in another starting-caliber veteran further solidifies they’re going to attempt to give Pollard a feature role.
Star receivers average 6-8 catches a game and make $20 million, so your point is silly.

Pollard is supremely versatile.
 

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Star receivers average 6-8 catches a game and make $20 million, so your point is silly.

Pollard is supremely versatile.
Pollard is versatile. But even a versatile RB is still a RB. Not a WR. When Saquon Barkley can’t get more than 12m$, Dalvin Cook is only worth 8m$, and Miles Sanders is 6m$, Pollard getting paid 10m$ is an indication that Dallas is going to ask a lot more of him than he’s previously shown.

When it’s a guy on the bench or a guy who only participates in a fraction of the snaps, versatility is inhibited. You don’t pay a rotational back 10m$, that’s nuts.
 
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