Too many soft players

[KJJ]

And a fair number of non-homers.

With that fair number being you. You never agreed with me on Newman how did that turn out?

 

[ufcrules1]

With that fair number being you. You never agreed with me on Newman did you?

Ah yes, Newman... many people disagreed with me on Newman as well. Those people are all quiet now.

 

[KJJ]

I agree it is important to get the defense fixed and important to add to the OL as well. Yesterday there were alot of stats and few points in the game in the end the outcome was determined by a fumbled punt return. Pressure did take a toll on NY and Eli and he did throw some ugly ducks 2 that had SF players not ran into each other were easy picks. I take nothing away from the job Eli did or the NY G but this game came down to 2 defensive teams with SF having 2 critical turnovers on punt returns that was their undoing

The game ultimately came down to those 2 SF turnovers but it still took some great throws by Eli under tremendous pressure throughout the game especially when the Giants were down 14-10 in the 4th quarter. Regardless of the muffed punt the Giants still needed to capitalize with a TD in that situation and Eli delivered a great on target throw to Manningham in the end zone. SF put up a great defensive effort that would have been good enough to win most games but Eli withstood all the pressure to make some very critical throws while his pocket was collapsing all around him.

Let's be honest if Romo had to throw 58 times which I don't think he's ever had to in his entire career he would have suffered at least a couple of turnovers with the amount of steady pressure SF was applying to Eli. SF led the league in takeaways and Eli was having to attempt those 58 passes with a steady rain falling. You can't just credit the 2 SF turnovers for the Giants win because had Eli bumbled and stumbled his way with turnovers and missed throws like he did against Washington late in the season SF survives that muffed punt and the game never goes to OT.

 

[ufcrules1]

Let's be honest if Romo had to throw 58 times which I don't think he's ever had to in his entire career he would have suffered at least a couple of turnovers with the amount of steady pressure SF was applying to Eli. SF led the league in takeaways and Eli was having to attempt those 58 passes with a steady rain falling.

He can't be honest with himself and he doesn't even realize it. Even one day when you are proven right KJJ... some of these posters will just move on to the next subject.

 

[Doomsday101]

The game ultimately came down to those 2 SF turnovers but it still took some great throws by Eli under tremendous pressure throughout the game especially when the Giants were down 14-10 in the 4th quarter. Regardless of the muffed punt the Giants still needed to capitalize with a TD in that situation and Eli delivered a great on target throw to Manningham in the end zone. SF put up a great defensive effort that would have been good enough to win most games but Eli withstood all the pressure to make some very critical throws while his pocket was collapsing all around him.

Let's be honest if Romo had to throw 58 times which I don't think he's ever had to in his entire career he would have suffered at least a couple of turnovers with the amount of steady pressure SF was applying to Eli. SF led the league in takeaways and Eli was having to attempt those 58 passes with a steady rain falling. You can't just credit the 2 SF turnovers for the Giants win because had Eli bumbled and stumbled his way with turnovers and missed throws like he did against Washington late in the season SF survives that muffed punt and the game never goes to OT.

Being honest if his defense would have played like them yes he may have won these are hypothectical calls, Could Romo help put 20 points in SF? yes.

Fact is NY was not winning then all of a sudden they imporved it just so happens to coinside with the fact they got healthy up front on their defense. I take nothing away from Eli he played a good game not great and the pressure did have a big impact he fumbled once and had 2 balls that should have been ints had SF plays not ran into each other.

Did Eli make some very good throws yes so did Alex Smith so did Joe Flacco but the differance in the games this weekend really fell to the defense keeping the score down and in SF/NY game the differance was 2 critical punt returns that were botched.

If people want to claim Eli was the differance in the game then that is on them I watched it and I don't think Eli was the differance maker in that game.

 

[Doomsday101]

He can't be honest with himself and he doesn't even realize it. Even one day when you are proven right KJJ... some of these posters will just move on to the next subject.

BS, guy speak for yourself not me. If you have a question then ask. You sit there telling people Flacco is better is a complete Joke and tells me you don't know much

 

[ufcrules1]

BS, guy speak for yourself not me. If you have a question then ask. You sit there telling people Flacco is better is a complete Joke and tells me you don't know much

I honestly do think Flacco is better. He was a big part of his team "almost" beating the Pats yesterday. If Lee Evans holds on to that perfectly thrown ball, then the Ravens would be in the superbowl right now. I think Flacco and Romo are very close. Personally I would take the younger Flacco and the 5 playoff games that comes with him.

Romo is a mental midget who shows flashes of being great but chokes when it counts. Flacco would be in heaven with the same receiving core that Romo has.

 

[Woods]

I honestly do think Flacco is better. He was a big part of his team "almost" beating the Pats yesterday. If Lee Evans holds on to that perfectly thrown ball, then the Ravens would be in the superbowl right now. I think Flacco and Romo are very close. Personally I would take the younger Flacco and the 5 playoff games that comes with him.

Romo is a mental midget who shows flashes of being great but chokes when it counts. Flacco would be in heaven with the same receiving core that Romo has.

I just find Flacco's game very erratic. I mean, the guys got a consistently good running game, a solid OL, a consistently great defense, he's got some young TEs, they went and got him Bolden a couple years ago . . . . frankly, I'd take Dalton over Flacco at this stage in their respective development. I'm not sure how much better Flacco can get. He's already got a very good/great surrounding cast. I can't imagine his defense taking it to another level. If anything, as R Lewis retires, Ed Reed retires his surrounding cast could even get slightly worse.

 

[KJJ]

Being honest if his defense would have played like them yes he may have won these are hypothectical calls, Could Romo help put 20 points in SF? yes.

Fact is NY was not winning then all of a sudden they imporved it just so happens to coinside with the fact they got healthy up front on their defense. I take nothing away from Eli he played a good game not great and the pressure did have a big impact he fumbled once and had 2 balls that should have been ints had SF plays not ran into each other.

Did Eli make some very good throws yes so did Alex Smith so did Joe Flacco but the differance in the games this weekend really fell to the defense keeping the score down and in SF/NY game the differance was 2 critical punt returns that were botched.

If people want to claim Eli was the differance in the game then that is on them I watched it and I don't think Eli was the differance maker in that game.

The Giants are winning because yes they got healthy but they also know how to step up when it's do or die we're seeing the same thing now from them that we saw in 07. They're a mentally tough team that's well coached and has a lot of leadership. No one is saying Eli was the difference but he made some critical throws while enduring a lot of pressure that greatly impacted the outcome of the game.

 

[ufcrules1]

I just find Flacco's game very erratic. I mean, the guys got a consistently good running game, a solid OL,

You realize our offensive line was ranked higher in 2011 than Flacco's right?

 

[Doomsday101]

The Giants are winning because yes they got healthy but they also know how to step up when it's do or die we're seeing the same thing now from them that we saw in 07. They're a mentally tough team that's well coached and has a lot of leadership. No one is saying Eli was the difference but he made some critical throws while enduring a lot of pressure that greatly impacted the outcome of the game.

I agree they have stepped up this year, there have been some recent years they did not step up. I think Coughlin is a good coach I also know he has been in and out of the hot seat in NY in recent years so it has been a mixed bag for the NY. Lastly as I said I give Eli credit I think he is a very good QB and have never said he wasn't.

If you asked me where the turn around took place I would say it took place as their defense got healthy and came to life

 

[KJJ]

He can't be honest with himself and he doesn't even realize it. Even one day when you are proven right KJJ... some of these posters will just move on to the next subject.

I hope I'm never proven right and that Romo continues to improve and is capable of putting the ball up as many times as necessary for the Cowboys to win without it resulting in several turnovers. In his season high 47 attempts vs Detroit he suffered 3 turnovers.

 

[Woods]

You realize our offensive line was ranked higher in 2011 than Flacco's right?

I am talking about a generally consistently good OL that the Ravens have had.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make (maybe not so well) is that the Ravens organization has had continuity, one of the best defenses year in and year out, a consistently good OL, a solid running game (generally speaking). The organization went and got WRs to help the cause.

I'm not sure that there is much more that organization can give Flacco. If anything, as some of the key Hall of Famers retire/move past their prime, etc. his supporting cast could possibly we worse.

As I said, I just find his game very erratic. More than Romo's. And no, I not one of those guys saying that Romo is definitely the next Brees or Brady or whoever with a better defense, OL, etc. It's moreso that I don't think Flacco is going to be much more than he is. Just my opinion.

 

[Doomsday101]

I honestly do think Flacco is better. He was a big part of his team "almost" beating the Pats yesterday. If Lee Evans holds on to that perfectly thrown ball, then the Ravens would be in the superbowl right now. I think Flacco and Romo are very close. Personally I would take the younger Flacco and the 5 playoff games that comes with him.

Romo is a mental midget who shows flashes of being great but chokes when it counts. Flacco would be in heaven with the same receiving core that Romo has.

If you say so :laugh2:

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

If you say so :laugh2:

He's a troll man you're wasting your time. Anybody who thinks Flacco is even on the same stratosphere as Romo immediately loses all credibility.

 

[ufcrules1]

I hope I'm never proven right and that Romo continues to improve and is capable of putting the ball up as many times as necessary for the Cowboys to win without it resulting in several turnovers. In his season high 47 attempts vs Detroit he suffered 3 turnovers.

I hope I'm never proven right either. I hope I'm completely wrong about the guy, I just need to see some evidence to make me change my mind.

 

[ufcrules1]

I am talking about a generally consistently good OL that the Ravens have had.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make (maybe not so well) is that the Ravens organization has had continuity, one of the best defenses year in and year out, a consistently good OL, a solid running game (generally speaking). The organization went and got WRs to help the cause.

I'm not sure that there is much more that organization can give Flacco. If anything, as some of the key Hall of Famers retire/move past their prime, etc. his supporting cast could possibly we worse.

As I said, I just find his game very erratic. More than Romo's. And no, I not one of those guys saying that Romo is definitely the next Brees or Brady or whoever with a better defense, OL, etc. It's moreso that I don't think Flacco is going to be much more than he is. Just my opinion.

I understand where you are coming from and you make some valid points. I just think he and Romo are very close. Romo shows signs of being excellent and then he comes crashing back down. He has been very good teams as well.

 

[dboy214]

romo is better than flacco, but lets not rewrite history and make it seem like romo has played with chop liver his entire career. romo so far in his career has underachieved.

 

[ufcrules1]

romo is better than flacco, but lets not rewrite history and make it seem like romo has played with chop liver his entire career. romo so far in his career has underachieved.

You call one playoff win since 2006 underachieving?

 

[dboy214]

You call one playoff win since 2006 underachieving?

am i expecting too much? :