Too much Barber, not enough Felix?

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Is that the strategy going forward here?

I dont like it if it is.


I think they should chase Felix for most of game and then we drop the hammer on the with "trying" to tackle Barber.

Didn't Barber make the pro bowl in that EXACT role??
 

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Yeah, we can determine a season long strategy from one half of football. We should all work in the NFL, it is easy. Just play Madden.
 

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why not both, keep changing it up over the course of the season
 

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YoMick;2900191 said:
Didn't Barber make the pro bowl in that EXACT role??

MB3 did get the majority of his carries in the fourth quarter in '07, but his highest per carry average by quarter was 5.5 in the 1st and he scored 6 TDs in the 2nd quarter, which equaled the other 3 quarters combined.

I believe the key is just not overworking any of the backs and having Barber fresh for the possibility of the Closer's role to end the game.

It's a good problem to have.
 

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dwarecwby311;2900199 said:
why not both, keep changing it up over the course of the season

I think you have the best answer. I was impressed with Jones after he got going. To be honest, he reminded me of a faster Emmitt. Now I realize, as Hos pointed out, we only have seen a half of a football game, but my first imporession is Jones is big enough to take some hits, bigger than I realized, and once he is through the line, he is going to make people miss.

On the other hand, Barber doesn't deserve to lose his reps either.
 

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I would barely use Felix during the preseason myself, now as for regular season I'm sure he will progressively get more reps as more game roll along.
 

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In a perfect Cowboy world Jones and Choice become better blockers to keep defenses honest and Barber learns to be faster and more elusive. In lieu of the perfect I say start Jones, bring in Barber on 3rd down and use Choice as needed to spell the two and if needed pound the defense in the 4th with Barber.
 

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Hostile;2900197 said:
Yeah, we can determine a season long strategy from one half of football. We should all work in the NFL, it is easy. Just play Madden.

:hammer:
 

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CowboyFan74;2900250 said:
I would barely use Felix during the preseason myself, now as for regular season I'm sure he will progressively get more reps as more game roll along.

The plan to me looks like they want to get Barber going early then hit'em with Felix quite a bit after that.


I think we'll be see'ing them a lot in the same formations but you'll get more Barber in the 1st & 4th and more of Felix in the 2nd & 3rd.


Just guessing but I think they have given us clues to think that.

Either way both guys will be on the field a lot.
 

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CATCH17;2900320 said:
The plan to me looks like they want to get Barber going early then hit'em with Felix quite a bit after that.


I think we'll be see'ing them a lot in the same formations but you'll get more Barber in the 1st & 4th and more of Felix in the 2nd & 3rd.


Just guessing but I think they have given us clues to think that.

Either way both guys will be on the field a lot.

I think it might be more of a field position thing. Felix between the 30s, Barber everywhere else.
 

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alohawg;2900300 said:
In a perfect Cowboy world Jones and Choice become better blockers to keep defenses honest and Barber learns to be faster and more elusive. In lieu of the perfect I say start Jones, bring in Barber on 3rd down and use Choice as needed to spell the two and if needed pound the defense in the 4th with Barber.
I want Felix on passing 3rd downs. Barber can have all the short yardage stuff. Of course both on the field works as well.
 

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Don't get me wrong I like Barber but he's simply not what you want as a feature back. MB was terrific in the role he had prior to last season. In 06 and 07 he averaged 4.8 a carry and scored 24 TD's. He made the pro bowl in 07 spitting carries. He had more yards rushing in 07 as a backup than he did as the starter last season and he stayed healthy. The biggest problem with MB as a feature back is he doesn't have great speed or vision and is not able to get to the outside and turn the corner affectively. He's not able to make defenders miss so he plows into them. He only averages 2.6 a carry when he's bounced outside. The Giants unveiled the blueprint for defending him in our playoff game in 07. Barber torched them in the first half but NY stacked the box in the second half forcing him to bounce outside and he went nowhere. His legs appeared dead by the second half. He sure didn't have the same pop he had early in the game. Washington did the same thing to him a couple of weeks prior to our playoff game in the season finale and Barber finished that game with a franchise low -1 yard. He had 5 games last year where he averaged under 3 yards a carry and he was healthy in 3 of those games.

When Barber is the focal point of our running game the Cowboys lose their explosiveness because he's a ball control back who lacks big play ability. The Cowboys don't score many points when he's the feature back. He's not a homerun threat which causes defenses to crowd the line and risk his 10-15 yard bursts because they know he can be run down from behind. After 2 preseason games he again is averaging under 4 yards a carry. Defenses can't crowd the box with Felix in there or they risk seeing the back of his jersey as he's running to the endzone. He puts fear in defenses and Barber doesn't. Felix makes one defender miss and it can be see you later! He makes a big play every few touches but for some reason the Cowboys are under using him and over using Barber. If the Cowboys keep pounding Barber early in games he'll continue averaging less than 4 yards a carry and he'll probably come up with another injury by the end of the season. He's never going to be a 1200 yard back. He hasn't had a 1000 yard season yet and probably never will. With his rockem sockem billy goat style he won't stay affective another 2 years if they keep banging him early in games. Barber seeks out contact and that's not conducive to longevity.

Felix Jones with his speed, vision and cutting ability can do in one play what it takes Barber 10 plays to do. Felix can be another Tony Dorsett. He's a much better player than Julius Jones. It was Julius not living up to his end that caused the Cowboys to make the switch to Barber as the starter. Barber was gaining big yards as a backup because he was worked into games and the Cowboys picked his spots. The rotation kept him fresh and he was able to destroy winded defenses in the 4th quarter. Barber is finding out as the starter the holes aren't as big early in games against fresh legged defenders. Barber is a BEAST in short yardage, redzone, goalline and as a closer. If I were the Cowboys I would go back to using him the way they did prior to last season. He was tremendous in that role. I would use a three headed monster attack starting Felix and rotate him with Choice. I would use MB in short yardage, redzone, goalline and to pound defenses into submission in the second half. I think that would be a great strategy and would allow us to use all the talent we have at the RB position to the best of their ability. Plus this type of rotation will keep our backs fresh and would probably limit injuries.
 

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My concern is that we are still pass happy team.

With our RBs, we need to pound the rock 55-60% of the time and take nice shot with our passes.

At least in our preseason games, I get the feeling that we still pass more than run. We get cute with our running attacks instead of "I am running down your throat regardless of what you do" mentality.
 

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superpunk;2900342 said:
I think it might be more of a field position thing. Felix between the 30s, Barber everywhere else.
I'd say between the 20's, but I like that idea. That, and give MBIII the ball in the 4th with a lead.
 

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KJJ;2900367 said:
Don't get me wrong I like Barber but he's simply not what you want as a feature back. MB was terrific in the role he had prior to last season. In 06 and 07 he averaged 4.8 a carry and scored 24 TD's. He made the pro bowl in 07 spitting carries. He had more yards rushing in 07 as a backup than he did as the starter last season and he stayed healthy. The biggest problem with MB as a feature back is he doesn't have great speed or vision and is not able to get to the outside and turn the corner affectively. He's not able to make defenders miss so he plows into them. He only averages 2.6 a carry when he's bounced outside. The Giants unveiled the blueprint for defending him in our playoff game in 07. Barber torched them in the first half but NY stacked the box in the second half forcing him to bounce outside and he went nowhere. His legs appeared dead by the second half. He sure didn't have the same pop he had early in the game. Washington did the same thing to him a couple of weeks prior to our playoff game in the season finale and Barber finished that game with a franchise low -1 yard. He had 5 games last year where he averaged under 3 yards a carry and he was healthy in 3 of those games.

When Barber is the focal point of our running game the Cowboys lose their explosiveness because he's a ball control back who lacks big play ability. The Cowboys don't score many points when he's the feature back. He's not a homerun threat which causes defenses to crowd the line and risk his 10-15 yard bursts because they know he can be run down from behind. After 2 preseason games he again is averaging under 4 yards a carry. Defenses can't crowd the box with Felix in there or they risk seeing the back of his jersey as he's running to the endzone. He puts fear in defenses and Barber doesn't. Felix makes one defender miss and it can be see you later! He makes a big play every few touches but for some reason the Cowboys are under using him and over using Barber. If the Cowboys keep pounding Barber early in games he'll continue averaging less than 4 yards a carry and he'll probably come up with another injury by the end of the season. He's never going to be a 1200 yard back. He hasn't had a 1000 yard season yet and probably never will. With his rockem sockem billy goat style he won't stay affective another 2 years if they keep banging him early in games. Barber seeks out contact and that's not conducive to longevity.

Felix Jones with his speed, vision and cutting ability can do in one play what it takes Barber 10 plays to do. Felix can be another Tony Dorsett. He's a much better player than Julius Jones. It was Julius not living up to his end that caused the Cowboys to make the switch to Barber as the starter. Barber was gaining big yards as a backup because he was worked into games and the Cowboys picked his spots. The rotation kept him fresh and he was able to destroy winded defenses in the 4th quarter. Barber is finding out as the starter the holes aren't as big early in games against fresh legged defenders. Barber is a BEAST in short yardage, redzone, goalline and as a closer. If I were the Cowboys I would go back to using him the way they did prior to last season. He was tremendous in that role. I would use a three headed monster attack starting Felix and rotate him with Choice. I would use MB in short yardage, redzone, goalline and to pound defenses into submission in the second half. I think that would be a great strategy and would allow us to use all the talent we have at the RB position to the best of their ability. Plus this type of rotation will keep our backs fresh and would probably limit injuries.

This is pretty much the perfect analysis. I don't think there is anything here anyone can argue about.

And, as the season wears on, it will probably play out like this. I hope.
 

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Personally I want Felix in on every down, regardless of the situation.
 

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Felix keeps showing a nose for the end zone so I don't think you have to automatically take him out in red zone areas.

Now the redzone would be a nightmarish time to have him and MB3 in the game together.


Anyways Tashard never showed me a nose for the endzone or short yards. (im not ripping the guy either because I think he is fantastic)
 

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I don't care who starts. Its just semantics. But I know one thing.......Felix needs to touch that ball ALOT more. You want to talk about dynamic. See Felix.
 

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btcutter;2900369 said:
My concern is that we are still pass happy team.

With our RBs, we need to pound the rock 55-60% of the time and take nice shot with our passes.

At least in our preseason games, I get the feeling that we still pass more than run. We get cute with our running attacks instead of "I am running down your throat regardless of what you do" mentality.

That is not how you win in the NFL.

Teams are FORCED to do that when they dont have competent quarterbacks.

If we take the ball out of Tony Romo's hands that much, we're not winning as many as we could if we're balanced.

The league is a pass first league, get used to it.

And we dont have the "run it down your throat" mentallity, because our offensive line is not good enough at run blocking to do it.
 
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