Top 10 offensive lines

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  1. Hardline

    Hardline Well-Known Member

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  2. Teague31

    Teague31 Defender of the Star

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    Our line has gone downhill since Callahan left. Talent is still there but they need coaching and cohesion. Need to keep Collins at RT and let him grow. Whomever is going to be LG needs to take every snap in the offseason. No more of this rotating people in and out crap
     
  3. SDCowboy

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    I'm not surprised to not see us in the top 10. The oline was awful for much of last season. It still surprises me how little it's been talked about.
     
  4. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

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    To quote Shakira, "Chips don't lie."
     
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  5. CCBoy

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    The Dallas Cowboys' offensive line reached fabled levels of greatness during the 2016 season, lifting then-rookie runner Ezekiel Elliott to the NFL's rushing title. Yet, after offseason personnel losses at right tackle and left guard, the 2017 version of the Cowboys' front five came into the season with far more questions than the previous year's dominance would suggest. As the year wore on and the news cycle hammered the storylines of Elliott's suspension and Dak Prescott's sophomore slump, it appears the NFL world at large forgot to notice that the unit that once anchored this team was no longer a true trump card. The Cowboys allowed a pressure on 28.6 percent of Prescott's dropbacks, the 12th-highest rate in the league. They took an even steeper decline as run blockers. Elliott averaged a whopping 0.6 yards before defenders closed within a yard of him in 2016, more than doubling up the league average. However, Cowboys running backs averaged just 0.2 YGBC in 2017, ranking 20th on the year. When you realize that Dallas received high-level play over a full 16 games from just two players (center Travis Frederick and right guard Zack Martin) after a year in which the whole starting five fired on all cylinders, their offensive issues become far less surprising.

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    No doubt, performance of a complete unit is the answer...just three Pro Bowl members isn't enough.
     
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  6. Gameover

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    Dak Prescott, is not guilty.
     
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  7. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Staff Member

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    Our OL is completely overrated at this point. It had a direct impact on Daks play that many refuse to even look at.
     
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  8. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    That comment is about the Eagles OL. The team that just won the SB. Yet they didn't make this guys top 10 list?
     
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  9. Bobhaze

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    Two things about today’s NFL that we tend to forget:

    1. Your team or your position group (like OL) is always a “year to year” thing. Our OL was very good in 2016, but that does not guarantee the next year. Teams adjust, and if you don’t as well, you get different results as we saw in 2017.

    2. Today’s players don’t have a guaranteed 10 year high quality shelf life. Some, because of injuries, age or intangibles, may only have a 2-3 year window of outstanding play, or simply see a diminishing skill set over 5 years.

    Unless a player is special- like All-Pro, HOF special, the chances of a decade of top shelf play is unlikely. Just because a guy is really good one year is not necessarily a guarantee that you’re going to get 10 straight years of great performance.
     
  10. Super_Kazuya

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    Apparently they didn’t even make the Top 20. You would think that would cause someone to take a little bit closer look at the methodology.
     
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  11. Tangle_Foot

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  12. northerncowboynation

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    I'm with you Jed. Granny is drinkin shine if she thinks our O-line is top 10. Wynn or Henandez would be fine. Heck Wynn has played LG, RG and both tackle positions. They had him playing RT in the senior bowl. I would be happy with either one. Gotta get back to it!! 20 teams allowed less pressure on the QB! May have something to do with "Mr Happy feet"
     
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  13. jterrell

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    Callahan leaving plus losing Leary, Free. Having Tyron's health issues.
    Not hitting on Chaz Green.

    The identity of this team when it rebuilt was OL and we've gotta keep feeding that beast or go another direction.
     
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  14. northerncowboynation

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    Hopeful for the draft and Paul Alexander to get this group right again
     
  15. jterrell

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    He addressed that specifically saying it surprised him.
    He said the team allowed lot more pressures then he expected.

    He's using next gen stats not opinion for the ranking.
    He also addressed Dallas.

    from the article:
    I was more than a little surprised when the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles checked in outside the top 20 offensive lines in both Next Gen Stats measurements. The unit features stars like Jason Kelce and Lane Johnson, along with the underrated Brandon Brooks. It was the top-ranked unit by Pro Football Focus and named Offensive Line of the Year at NFL Honors. The team did give up more pressure than most noticed in the first few months of the season, which made Carson Wentz's excellence at escaping broken pockets and shaking off rushers all the more impressive. Additionally, subbing in Halapoulivaati Vaitai at left tackle for an injured Jason Peters did prove to be a significant downgrade. The Eagles gave up 129 pressures from the left side of their offensive line, the third-most among any team in 2017.

    » The Dallas Cowboys' offensive line reached fabled levels of greatness during the 2016 season, lifting then-rookie runner Ezekiel Elliott to the NFL's rushing title. Yet, after offseason personnel losses at right tackle and left guard, the 2017 version of the Cowboys' front five came into the season with far more questions than the previous year's dominance would suggest. As the year wore on and the news cycle hammered the storylines of Elliott's suspension and Dak Prescott's sophomore slump, it appears the NFL world at large forgot to notice that the unit that once anchored this team was no longer a true trump card. The Cowboys allowed a pressure on 28.6 percent of Prescott's dropbacks, the 12th-highest rate in the league. They took an even steeper decline as run blockers. Elliott averaged a whopping 0.6 yards before defenders closed within a yard of him in 2016, more than doubling up the league average. However, Cowboys running backs averaged just 0.2 YGBC in 2017, ranking 20th on the year. When you realize that Dallas received high-level play over a full 16 games from just two players (center Travis Frederick and right guard Zack Martin) after a year in which the whole starting five fired on all cylinders, their offensive issues become far less surprising.
     
  16. armadillooutlaw

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    OL is a need. LG and Swing Tackle.
     
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  17. blindzebra

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    Because it is easier to blame Dak.
     
  18. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Why does it have to be either or? Surely, Green crapping the bed against the Falcons threw Dak for a loop and is a mitigating circumstance. That is still no excuse for throwing into coverage and letting his mechanics go into the toilet.

    The problem is when people either try to dumb things down to a single cause or bias out their pet cat from any cause whatsoever.

    Did the receivers drop a lot of balls? Did the OL have issues with speed rushes, stunts, and the like in pass protection? Did Dak's mechanics regress and did he throw into coverage more often that the year before?

    How about yes to all of that.
     
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  19. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Is Chaz Green a lock for the ROH?
     
  20. armadillooutlaw

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    Thank You! It's not either/or. I think it's silly when people act like there's only one cause or solution to any particular thing.
     
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