TOP 5 QB's In Todays NFL

[silver]

I was just watching ESPN and it is clear the Michael Vick is the best ever! Why didn;t he make the list?

NFL is confused. They don't know if he's a QB or a RB. This is not fantasy football

Michael Vick ATL

8 76.9 108 187 57.8 1160 145.0 6.2 8 6 64 360 45.0 5.6 4 18 99 9 3​

 

[Doomsday101]

I was just watching ESPN and it is clear the Michael Vick is the best ever! Why didn;t he make the list?

Because it was a QB list not a RB list.

 

[big_neil]

If one QB has 2500 yards on 500 attempts, and another has 2400 yards on 300 attempts, which would you choose? Rating factors in completion percentage, TDs and INTs, which is why it's the most important statistic.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If we are talking consistency over the last 3 to 5 year I agree they are the best in the NFL. That list however was this year. Palmer is just now getting to make name for himself and has done so very well up to this point. Bledsoe is showing he still has something left

Dooms, the title of this thread is "Top 5 QB's InTodays NFL". I take that to mean the best 5 guys at the position. It doesn't say top 5 guys this year.

I understand what your saying but I don't read it that way.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If one QB has 2500 yards on 500 attempts, and another has 2400 yards on 300 attempts, which would you choose? Rating factors in completion percentage, TDs and INTs, which is why it's the most important statistic.

Championships are the most important statistic. Lets not get this one wrong.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, the title of this thread is "Top 5 QB's InTodays NFL". I take that to mean the best 5 guys at the position. It doesn't say top 5 guys this year.

I understand what your saying but I don't read it that way.

Why the numbers are only referring to this year. I took it to mean this season. If they were talking over a period of years I'm sure they would be showing Manning numbers over the past season up to today which would blow most QB in the NFL away.

 

[Doomsday101]

Championships are the most important statistic. Lets not get this one wrong.

If that is the case the Dilfer and Dog Williams are great QB's I don't think that is close to the case. A QB can only do his job and if he does it better than others that does not ensure a SB. I will continue to believe that teams win championship and not all QB's who have played on championship teams have been great QB's

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why the numbers are only referring to this year. I took it to mean this season. If they were talking over a period of years I'm sure they would be showing Manning numbers over the past season up to today which would blow most QB in the NFL away.

It says Today's NFL. It doesn't say best statistical rankins this year. To me, this implies the best QBs playing in todays NFL. Statistics can say anything but there's no way I can honestly say that anybody is better then Brady and Manning right now. Sorry, just not the way I see it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If that is the case the Dilfer and Dog Williams are great QB's I don't think that is close to the case. A QB can only do his job and if he does it better than others that does not ensure a SB. I will continue to believe that teams win championship and not all QB's who have played on championship teams have been great QB's

But not as great as Brady.

 

[Doomsday101]

It says Today's NFL. It doesn't say best statistical rankins this year. To me, this implies the best QBs playing in todays NFL. Statistics can say anything but there's no way I can honestly say that anybody is better then Brady and Manning right now. Sorry, just not the way I see it.

By the criteria your using I agree, when it said today and posted only this years stats I took it as today "as of". It would make no sense to post those numbers without posting numbers over a period of time. I think we are just taking the meaning of this 2 different ways

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

By the criteria your using I agree, when it said today and posted only this years stats I took it as today "as of". It would make no sense to post those numbers without posting numbers over a period of time. I think we are just taking the meaning of this 2 different ways

I see your point. I understand how you can come to this conclusion.

 

[Doomsday101]

But not as great as Brady.

Brady is an outstanding QB he has the rings but he has the numbers to go along with it. If he was throwing a lot picks, not showing accuracy yet the Pats were winning SB would that make him a great QB? On the other hand Manning plays the QB position outstanding but does not have the ring that does not change the fact he is a very good QB and most teams would go after him in a heart beat. Rings are what teams earn

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Brady is an outstanding QB he has the rings but he has the numbers to go along with it. If he was throwing a lot picks, not showing accuracy yet the Pats were winning SB would that make him a great QB? On the other hand Manning plays the QB position outstanding but does not have the ring that does not change the fact he is a very good QB and most teams would go after him in a heart beat. Rings are what teams earn

It would not change the fact that he is a very good QB but in my evaluation of the great QBs, Montana, Elway, Staubach etc, are always going to grade out higher then Marino. That's just the way I see it, in my book. If Bledsoe wins some championships, he might too.

You play for championships. If you don't use that as the standard, then why play the game at all? It's just how I view it.

 

[big_neil]

Championships are the most important statistic. Lets not get this one wrong.

Championships are most important, but not necessarily for measuring the performance of a given player. That requires teamwork. Everyone heaped a ton of praise on Brady after his 3 Super Bowls, but wise men knew that their defense was even more important. Sure enough, even though Brady is statistically having his best season this year, his team has lost as many games (4) than the past 2 seasons combined (34-4). It's a fact that if a players team gets better around him, that his stats will improve over the long run.

Meanwhile, Drew is 2-0 in the Conference Championship game, and 4-2 in his last 6 playoff games (4-3 overall). Marino is 8-10 career (4-3 after 7 games). Favre is 11-9 (4-3 after 7 games). Elway is 14-8 (4-3 after 7 games, 7-8 after 15 games).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Championships are most important, but not necessarily for measuring the performance of a given player. That requires teamwork. Everyone heaped a ton of praise on Brady after his 3 Super Bowls, but wise men knew that their defense was even more important. Sure enough, even though Brady is statistically having his best season this year, his team has lost as many games (4) than the past 2 seasons combined (34-4). It's a fact that if a players team gets better around him, that his stats will improve over the long run.

Meanwhile, Drew is 2-0 in the Conference Championship game, and 4-2 in his last 6 playoff games (4-3 overall). Marino is 8-10 career (4-3 after 7 games). Favre is 11-9 (4-3 after 7 games). Elway is 14-8 (4-3 after 7 games, 7-8 after 15 games).

I don't agree.

 

[Doomsday101]

It would not change the fact that he is a very good QB but in my evaluation of the great QBs, Montana, Elway, Staubach etc, are always going to grade out higher then Marino. That's just the way I see it, in my book. If Bledsoe wins some championships, he might too.

You play for championships. If you don't use that as the standard, then why play the game at all? It's just how I view it.

Because the QB is only 1 position and can't control what others do on the team. He can't cover the WR on defense or put a pass rush on the other QB. I just think that is a narrow view of a QB to put that much on a team achivement.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because the QB is only 1 position and can't control what others do on the team. He can't cover the WR on defense or put a pass rush on the other QB. I just think that is a narrow view of a QB to put that much on a team achivement.

I'll give you two examples of why I believe the QB is the single biggest reason teams win or loss.

You look back to New Englands first SuperBowl win against the Rams, I think.

In the 4th quarter of that game, Brady played as well as any QB has ever played IMO. He came through and, IMO, won that game for them.

McNappie last Monday night was the reason, IMO, Philly was dominating us for like 55 minutes. He was such a dominating threat that I felt as if he unbalaced our defense. When he played well, they were beating us easily. When he failed, it failed the team. Just like that, his loss of focus, or whatever you want to call it, completely changed the game as powerfully as his good play did for most of the rest of the game.

The QB, IMO,is simply too important to the teams success. This business of bus drivers is BS IMO.

 

[big_neil]

I don't agree.

Well why don't you say what you do believe and back it up with more than your beer belly?

Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs for 3 straight years. According to you, that's because he sucked. But the next two he won the Super Bowl (his 3rd and 4th). He is 16-7 in the playoffs. Still, that's 7 playoff years he did not win the Super Bowl.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As usual, I've enjoyed talking QBs with you Dooms. We see things differently but on the whole, I respect you. That is why I enjoy our discussions.

I'm out of here. Weekend is upon us. Enjoy fellas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well why don't you say what you do believe and back it up with more than your beer belly?

Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs for 3 straight years. According to you, that's because he sucked. But the next two he won the Super Bowl (his 3rd and 4th). He is 16-7 in the playoffs. Still, that's 7 playoff years he did not win the Super Bowl.

Neil, you don't know what your talking about.

Joe Montana entered the league in 1979. In 1979, Steve Deburg was the starting QB for the 49rs. In 1979, the 49rs didn't reach the playoffs so Montana obviously didn't have a chance to lose in the playoffs.

However, in 1980, Joe Montana started 7 games I believe. He was injured and I don't believe he finished the season but, the 49rs didn't reach the playoffs that year either so again, Joe Montana never lost in the playoffs in 1980.

In 1981, Joe Montana played and started in all 16 regular season games. The 49rs went 13-3 that year and played the Giants in the Divisional Playoff Game. They won that game 38-24. They then meet us in the Conference Championship game, "The Catch" game, where they defeated us 28-27. In the SuperBowl, they played the Cincinnati Bengals in the Silver Dome. They won that game 26-21.

In 1982, Joe Montana played 9 games and was injured for the season. SF didn't make the playoffs.

In 1983, Joe Montana played in 16 games and lost to a great Washington Commanders team, 24-21 in the conference championship.

In 1984, Joe Montana played in 15 games and beat Miami 38-16 in the SuperBowl.

In 1985, Joe Montana played in 15 games and lost to the Giants 17-3 in the wild card round. A game he was hurt in.

In 1986, Joe Montana played in only 8 games. He was still hurt and the 49rs lost to the NY Giants huge. 49-3

In 1987, Joe Montana played in 13 games. The 49rs lost to Minnisota 36-24 in a Divisional Playoff game.

In 1988, Joe Montana played in 14 games. They beat that same Minnesota team, the Bears and Cincy in the SuperBowl 20-16.

In 1989, Joe Montana Played in 13 games. They again beat Minnesota, the Rams and finally, the Broncos in the SuperBowl 55-10.

In 1990, Joe Montana Played in 15 games. They lost to the Giants in the Conference Championship game.

In 1991, Joe Montana did not play a down of football.

In 1992, Joe Montana played 1 game and attempted 21 passes. The 49rs lost to us in the Conference Championship game. Steve Young was the QB.

In 1993, after basically being out of football for 2 years, Joe Montana joined the KC Chiefs. Montana played in 11 games that year, missing 5, and there record was 11-5. They beat the Steelers and Houston before lossing to the Bills 30-13.

In 1994, Joe Montana played in 14 games. The Chiefs just made the playoffs and lost to the Miami Dolphins in the opening round 27-17.

In 1995, Joe Montana retired.

Basically, you don't know your arse from a whole in the ground. Please stop this nonesense. Joe Montana was a great QB and I'm tired of educating you. Go get a student loan like everyone else and stop wasting my time.