Top hopefuls may be all gone...

[xwalker]

That's something I've always wondered... how do you know this or anyone else for that matter? How can anyone tell what's someone's potential is without seeing it on the field? I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm really curious what people are looking at to be able to say something like this with such conviction?

Don't misunderstand me... I don't want to draft him at 16. I'm hoping for Jernigen or Nix with or without Donald being available.

I don't know how other people do it, but for me, I compare the player to other NFL players.

If Zack Martin were a staring OT in the NFL, he would have the smallest wingspan of any current starting OT and would be on the low end in terms of all NFL OTs in the past 20 years.

At Guard the smaller wingspan is not a problem, but it is an indicator of his overall frame and a strong clue that he's not going to play at a significantly higher weight than his college weight. He's not really a power blocker now and doesn't not project to be one in the future.

He projects to be a really good zone blocking Guard in the NFL. There is a possibility that he could be more, but the probability is low.

 

[xwalker]

If you want to see panic, what happens if Donald is there and they take a different player?? this board will got absolutely crazy...I like Donald a lot, and would be happy with him as a cowboy, I just think the options @ #16 could also get us an additional pick with a trade down and THAT may be more important in a deep draft (see: Fred and TWill from last year)

Yep, it could happen. Donald could be available and the Cowboys could trade down anyway or they could draft WR Mike Evans.

I like Donald as a pick for the Cowboys, but people get overexcited at this time every year.

Speaking of overexcited, have you noticed that we've been infiltrated with newbies recently with small post counts that have proclaimed themselves the resident experts on the draft.

 

[Maxmadden]

Yep, it could happen. Donald could be available and the Cowboys could trade down anyway or they could draft WR Mike Evans.

I like Donald as a pick for the Cowboys, but people get overexcited at this time every year.

Speaking of overexcited, have you noticed that we've been infiltrated with newbies recently with small post counts that have proclaimed themselves the resident experts on the draft.

Size of the post count doesn't matter. So, I have been told.

 

[starfrombirth]

I don't know how other people do it, but for me, I compare the player to other NFL players.

If Zack Martin were a staring OT in the NFL, he would have the smallest wingspan of any current starting OT and would be on the low end in terms of all NFL OTs in the past 20 years.

At Guard the smaller wingspan is not a problem, but it is an indicator of his overall frame and a strong clue that he's not going to play at a significantly higher weight than his college weight. He's not really a power blocker now and doesn't not project to be one in the future.

He projects to be a really good zone blocking Guard in the NFL. There is a possibility that he could be more, but the probability is low.

Thanks for the info... it's nice to be educated without being belittled... which isn't uncommon around here sometimes.

 

[Sydla]

Yep, it could happen. Donald could be available and the Cowboys could trade down anyway or they could draft WR Mike Evans.

I like Donald as a pick for the Cowboys, but people get overexcited at this time every year.

Speaking of overexcited, have you noticed that we've been infiltrated with newbies recently with small post counts that have proclaimed themselves the resident experts on the draft.

I am guessing this is a shot at me since I questioned some of your analysis. For the record, I never proclaimed myself an expert on the draft. I just disagree with your assessments.

 

[AsthmaField]

Size of the post count doesn't matter. So, I have been told.

It doesn't matter in the slightest. Some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen have come from guys with large post counts and I have seen some very smart posts from guys who are new here.

Just because someone is new to this site doesn't mean that they are young or that they are new to football.

 

[AsthmaField]

If you want to see panic, what happens if Donald is there and they take a different player?? this board will got absolutely crazy...I like Donald a lot, and would be happy with him as a cowboy, I just think the options @ #16 could also get us an additional pick with a trade down and THAT may be more important in a deep draft (see: Fred and TWill from last year)

I am probably Donald's biggest supporter on this board, but that is just because I think he fits perfectly at a big position of need. If the Cowboys pass on him then that means that Marinelli and company don't think he's as perfect of a need as I do, and I will understand that. It is such a terrific draft that I will expect us to get a really good player, but it certainly doesn't have to be Donald. This draft is full of very good players.

They could want a DE more than they want a tackle since we signed Melton, and again... I'm ok with that and won't throw a fit.

However, if Donald is available, I think there is a really good chance that we don't pass on him either, because he does fit our needs so well.

Anyway, I'm just going to be glad to add some more talent to this team and I will support who they draft.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think this is a draft year where you can get a good meat and potatoes type of draft. It might not be a self type of haul but you could get a good influx of talent in the trenches that will help this team a great deal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know how other people do it, but for me, I compare the player to other NFL players.

If Zack Martin were a staring OT in the NFL, he would have the smallest wingspan of any current starting OT and would be on the low end in terms of all NFL OTs in the past 20 years.

At Guard the smaller wingspan is not a problem, but it is an indicator of his overall frame and a strong clue that he's not going to play at a significantly higher weight than his college weight. He's not really a power blocker now and doesn't not project to be one in the future.

He projects to be a really good zone blocking Guard in the NFL. There is a possibility that he could be more, but the probability is low.

Long arms are important in the NFL but it's primarily because most Tackles do not have the kind of agility and footwork required to properly position themselves. I don't think that's the case with Martin. I agree with you that his best position is probably Guard in the NFL and I suspect it's Left Guard but I think he might do well at Tackle as well. He just might not be as good a player at Tackle but I think he could be solid at Tackle, if not great. He's probably to small to be able to hold up at Tackle for an entire career but if you needed him to play the position in the interim, I think he could do that. Smart player and that will make up for a lot IMO.

He's a young Logan Mankin in my eyes.

 

[xwalker]

Long arms are important in the NFL but it's primarily because most Tackles do not have the kind of agility and footwork required to properly position themselves. I don't think that's the case with Martin. I agree with you that his best position is probably Guard in the NFL and I suspect it's Left Guard but I think he might do well at Tackle as well. He just might not be as good a player at Tackle but I think he could be solid at Tackle, if not great. He's probably to small to be able to hold up at Tackle for an entire career but if you needed him to play the position in the interim, I think he could do that. Smart player and that will make up for a lot IMO.

He's a young Logan Mankin in my eyes.

Agree. If anybody can defy the odds, it would be this player; however, I don't like drafting with the idea of defying the odds in mind. That's why I would only evaluate him as a Guard.

Also, wingspan is not just arm length. Whats troubling about his small wingspan is that the Giants 1st pick last year, Justin Pugh has shorter arms but a bigger wingspan. That's an indication that Martin has a really narrow frame and is probably maxed out size wise.

I think Martin will be a terrific Zone Blocking Guard.

One big consideration is that this draft has much much better mid round depth at OG, IMO. Last year Warford was the only guy in that middle area talent wise.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agree. If anybody can defy the odds, it would be this player; however, I don't like drafting with the idea of defying the odds in mind. That's why I would only evaluate him as a Guard.

Also, wingspan is not just arm length. Whats troubling about his small wingspan is that the Giants 1st pick last year, Justin Pugh has shorter arms but a bigger wingspan. That's an indication that Martin has a really narrow frame and is probably maxed out size wise.

I think Martin will be a terrific Zone Blocking Guard.

One big consideration is that this draft has much much better mid round depth at OG, IMO. Last year Warford was the only guy in that middle area talent wise.

I understand your point but I think you have to be able to look at the other possibilities in players. If you can draft a guy who CAN project as a Pro Bowl type player at any given position but can also play at two other positions (this player can Guard, Tackle and Center), then his value has to be elevated. It's just such a luxury to be able to plug him in at positions of need if needed. I mean, this guy projects to all of those positions and those three positions are the most important three position on the OL.

I think this kid is very valuable.

 

[Doc50]

Size of the post count doesn't matter. So, I have been told.

Yeah, my wife agrees that size doesn't matter.

 

[Sasquatch]

Mosley is a guy to be thinkin about at 16. Real good fit. Lee has yet to prove he can take the poundings of a full season.


Will - Lee, Holloman
Mike - Mosley, Lee
Sam - Carter, Wilber

No one else seemed to notice, so I thought I would acknowledge having read this and think it's a reasonable suggestion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No one else seemed to notice, so I thought I would acknowledge having read this and think it's a reasonable suggestion.

I'm really concerned with his injury history and how he might check out Medically. I also have a few concerns about his ability to play in our scheme as a Tampa2 MLB. He's not very big and our DTs don't exactly eat up blocks. I'm a bit concerned about that but honestly, I just like the guy and if he checks out medically, I would have no problem taking him at 16 if he were the best player on the board.