Tournament Idea Thread 3 (Best Movie Villain Point Totals | Post 304)

[cowboyec]

training camp will start before this tourney does.

 

[cowboyec]

im about to just declare the joker the winner

 

[Tabascocat]

@DallasEast

Do I need to send the Geek Squad to your house to fix the computer? Maybe I can rent you Bill Gates for 15 minutes.......

 

[DallasEast]

CowboysZone Best Movie Villain Tournament Rankings

Rank/Villain/Actor(s)/Movie/Total Points

001-(TIE) Joker - Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight (2008) [189 points]
001-(TIE) Darth Vader - James Earl Jones (voice)/David Prowse - Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980) [189 points]
0030000 Dr Hannibal Lecter - Anthony Hopkins - The Silence of the Lambs (1991) [186 points]
0040000 Hans Gruber - Alan Rickman - Die Hard (1988) [161 points]
0050000 Norman Bates - Anthony Perkins - Psycho (1960) [107 points]
0060000 Thanos - Josh Brolin - Marvel Cinematic Universe (2012-2019) [103 points]
0070000 Palpatine - Ian McDiarmid - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) [100 points]
0080000 Lord Voldemort - Ralph Fiennes - Harry Potter Franchise (2001-2011) [95 points]
0090000 Commodus - Joaquin Phoenix - Gladiator (2000) [82 points]
0100000 Jack Torrance - Jack Nicholson - The Shining (1980) [81 points]
0110000 Nurse Ratched - Louise Fletcher - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) [73 points]
012-(TIE) John Doe - Kevin Spacey - Se7en (1995) [72 points]
012-(TIE) Agent Smith - Hugo Weaving - The Matrix (1999) [72 points]
014-(TIE) T-800 - Arnold Schwarzenegger - The Terminator (1984) [70 points]
014-(TIE) Freddy Krueger - Robert Englund - A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984) [70 points]
0160000 Michael Myers - Nick Castle - Halloween (1978) [68 points]
0170000 The Xenomorph - Bolaji Badejo - Alien (1979) [65 points]
0180000 Longshanks - King Edward I - Patrick McGoohan - Braveheart (1995) [62 points]
0190000 Jack Wilson - Jack Palance - Shane (1953) [60 points]
0200000 T-1000 - Robert Patrick - Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1992) [59 points]
0210000 Annie Wilkes - Kathy Bates - Misery (1990) [56 points]
0220000 Keyser Soze - Kevin Spacey/Verbal - The Usual Suspects (1995) [54 points]
0230000 Pennywise - Bill Skarsgard - It (2017) [51 points]
0240000 The Wicked Witch of the West - Margaret Hamilton - The Wizard Of Oz (1939) [50 points]
0250000 Scar - Jeremy Irons - The Lion King (1994) [48 points]
026-(TIE) Loki - Tom Hiddleston - Marvel Cinematic Universe (2011-2019) [46 points]
026-(TIE) Dr Christian Szell - Laurence Olivier - Marathon Man (1976) [46 points]
0280000 Hans Landa - Christoph Waltz - Inglourious Basterds (2009) [42 points]
029-(TIE) Col. William Tavington - Jason Isaacs - The Patriot (2000) [41 points]
029-(TIE) Michael Corleone - Al Pacino - The Godfather Trilogy (1972-1990) [41 points]
029-(TIE) Pinhead - Doug Bradley - Hellraiser (1987) [41 points]
029-(TIE) Regan MacNeil/Pazuzu - Linda Blair/Mercedes McCambridge (voice) - The Exorcist (1973) [41 points]

Nominees not receiving enough points to enter the Top 32:

0330000 Sentenza/Angel Eyes - Lee Van Cleef - The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (1966) [39 points]
0340000 Khan Noonien Singh - Ricardo Montalbán - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) [39 points]
0350000 Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb - Ted Levine - The Silence of the Lambs (1991) [38 points]
0360000 Sauron - Sala Baker - The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy (2001-2003) [36 points]
0370000 The Emperor Ming - Max Von Sydow - Flash Gordon (1980) [33 points]
0380000 Satan - Rosalinda Celentano - The Passion Of The Christ (2004) [32 points]
0390000 Simon Phoenix - Wesley Snipes - Demolition Man (1993) [31 points]
0400000 Dracula - Gary Oldman - Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) [31 points]
0410000 Jason Voorhees - Ari Lehman - Friday the 13th (1980) [30 points]
0420000 Gollum - Andy Serkis - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) [30 points]
0430000 Curly Bill Brocius - Powers Boothe - Tombstone (1993) [30 points]
0440000 Martians - Miniatures Invading Ships - The War Of The Worlds (1953) [29 points]
0450000 David "Werewolf" Kessler - David Naughton - An American Werewolf in London (1981) [29 points]
0460000 Vincent Vega - John Travolta - Pulp Fiction (1994) [27 points]
0470000 Tony Montana - Al Pacino - Scarface (1983) [27 points]
0480000 Colonel Miles Quaritch - Stephen Lang - Avatar (2009) [26 points]
0490000 Thulsa Doom - James Earl Jones - Conan the Barbarian (1982) [25 points]
0500000 Gordon Gekko - Michael Douglas - Wall Street (1987) [25 points]
0510000 Ramon Rojo - Gian Maria Volontè - A Fistful Of Dollars (1964) [25 points]
0520000 Francis "The Tooth Fairy" Dolarhyde - Ralph Fiennes - Red Dragon (2002) [24 points]
0530000 El Indio (The Indian) - Gian Maria Volontè - For a Few Dollars More (1965) [24 points]
0540000 John Herod - Gene Hackman - The Quick and the Dead (1995) [24 points]
0550000 Frankenstein Monster - Boris Karloff - Frankenstein (1931) [23 points]
0560000 HAL 9000 - Douglas Rain - 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) [23 points]
0570000 Martians - CGI Group Characters - Mars Attacks! (1996) [23 points]
0580000 The Emperor - Ian McDiarmid - Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi (1983) [22 points]
0590000 Detective Alonzo Harris - Denzel Washington - Training Day (2001) [22 points]
0600000 Darkness - Tim Curry - Legend (1985) [22 points]
0610000 Dean Vernon Wormer - John Vernon - National Lampoon's Animal House (1978) [22 points]
0620000 Harvester Aliens - Special Effects Characters - Independence Day (1996) [22 points]
0630000 Sheriff of Nottingham - Alan Rickman - Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) [22 points]
0640000 Space Girl Vampire - Mathilda May - Lifeforce (1985) [21 points]
0650000 Cyrus the Virus - John Malkovich - Con Air (1997) [21 points]
0660000 Long Hair - Bruce Dern - The Cowboys (1972) [21 points]
0670000 Bill "The Butcher" Cutting - Daniel Day-Lewis - Gangs of New York (2002) [20 points]
0680000 Scorpio Killer - Andrew Robinson - Dirty Harry (1971) [20 points]
0690000 Samara - Daveigh Chase - The Ring (2002) [19 points]
0700000 Erik Killmonger - Michael B. Jordan - Black Panther (2018) [19 points]
0710000 Dudley Smith - James Cromwell - L.A. Confidential (1997) [19 points]
0720000 Bane - Tom Hardy - The Dark Knight Rises (2012) [19 points]
0730000 The Thing - James Arness - The Thing from Another World (1951) [18 points]
0740000 Clown/Violator - John Leguizamo - Spawn (1997) [18 points]
0750000 Roy Batty - Rutger Hauer - Blade Runner (1982) [18 points]
0760000 Alex Forrest - Glenn Close - Fatal Attraction (1987) [18 points]
0770000 Howard Saint - John Travolta - The Punisher (2004) [17 points]
0780000 Liberty Valance - Lee Marvin - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) [17 points]
0790000 Auric Goldfinger - Gert Frobe/Michael Collins (voice) - Goldfinger (1964) [17 points]
0800000 Asami Yamazaki - Eihi Shiina - Audition (1999) [17 points]
0810000 The Predator - Kevin Peter Hall - Predator (1987) [16 points]
0820000 Extraterrestrial Invaders - Costumed Actors - Earth vs The Flying Saucers (1956) [16 points]
0830000 Jimmy Markum - Sean Penn - Mystic River (2003) [16 points]
0840000 Darth Maul - Ray Park - Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) [16 points]
0850000 Don Vito Corleone - Marlon Brando - The Godfather (1972) [15 points]
0860000 The Scarecrow/Dr. Jonathan Crane - Cillian Murphy - The Dark Knight Trilogy (2005-2012) [15 points]
0870000 Ultron - James Spader - Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) [15 points]
0880000 Terrill - Bill McKinney - The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) [14 points]
0890000 Magneto - Ian McKellen - X-Men Franchise (2000-2014) [14 points]
0900000 Zodiac Killer - ? - Zodiac (2007) [14 points]
0910000 Mickey Cohen - Sean Penn - Gangster Squad (2013) [13 points]
0920000 Mrs. Eleanor Shaw Iselin - Angela Lansbury - The Manchurian Candidate (1962) [13 points]
0930000 Sardo Numspa - Charles Dance - The Golden Child (1986) [13 points]
0940000 Dr Otto Octavius - Alfred Molina - Spider-Man 2 (2004) [12 points]
0950000 Warden Norton - Bob Gunton - The Shawshank Redemption (1994) [12 points]
0960000 Johnny Ringo - Michael Biehn - Tombstone (1993) [12 points]
0970000 Wile E Coyote - Mel Blanc - The Bugs Bunny/Road-Runner Movie (1979) [12 points]
0980000 Anton Chigurh - Javier Bardem - No Country for Old Men (2007) [11 points]
0990000 Amom Goeth - Ralph Fiennes - Schindler's List (1993) [11 points]
1000000 Tyler Durden - Brad Pitt - Fight Club (1999) [11 points]
1010000 Soviet/Vietnamese Military - Assorted Actors - Rambo: First Blood Part II (1985) [11 points]
1020000 Smaug - Benedict Cumberbatch - The Hobbit Trilogy (2012-2014) [10 points]
1030000 Al Capone - Robert De Niro - The Untouchables (1987) [10 points]
1040000 Soviet Military - Assorted Actors - Rambo III (1988) [10 points]
1050000 Frank Nitti - Billy Drago - The Untouchables (1987) [9 points]
1060000 Damien - Harvey Stephens - The Omen (1976) [9 points]
1070000 Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg - Gary Oldman - The Fifth Element (1997) [9 points]
1080000 Biff Tannen - Thomas F. Wilson - Back to the Future (1985) [9 points]
1090000 Mr. Freeze/Dr. Victor Fries - Michael Ansara (voice) - Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero (1998) [9 points]
1100000 Joker - Joaquin Phoenix - Joker (2019) [8 points]
1110000 Ray Donlan - Harvey Keitel - Cop Land [8 points]
1120000 Elijah "Mr Glass" Price - Samuel L Jackson - Unbreakable (2000) [8 points]
1130000 The Borg Queen - Alice Krige - Star Trek: First Contact (1996) [8 points]
1140000 Red Hood/Jason Todd - Jensen Ackles (voice) - Batman: Under the Red Hood (2010) [8 points]
1150000 Paul Cicero - Paul Sorvino - Goodfellas (1990) [7 points]
1160000 Black Mask - Wade Williams - Batman: Under the Red Hood (2010) [7 points]
1170000 Lord Humungus - Kjell Nilsson - Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (1981) [7 points]
1180000 General Zod - Terence Stamp - Superman II (1980) [7 points]
1190000 General Zod - Michael Shannon - Man of Steel (2013) [6 points]
1200000 Tommy DeVito - Joe Pesci - Goodfellas (1990) [6 points]
1210000 Barry/The Beast/Dennis/other split personalities - James McAvoy - Split (2016) [6 points]
1220000 Sonny - Chazz Palminteri - A Bronx Tale (1993) [5 points]
1230000 Crooked Officials - Assorted Actors - The Gauntlet (1977) [5 points]
1240000 Pennywise - Tim Curry - Stephen King's It (1990) [5 points]
1250000 Khan Noonien Singh - Benedict Cumberbatch - Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) [5 points]
1260000 Leatherface - Andrew Bryniarski/Scott Martin Gershin (voice) - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003) [5 points]
1270000 Norman Stansfield - Gary Oldman - Leon: The Professional (1994) [5 points]
1280000 Rankin Fitch - Gene Hackman - Runaway Jury (200) [4 points]
1290000 The Syndicate - Assorted Actors - Bullitt (1968) [4 points]
1300000 Mountain Man - Bill McKinney - Deliverance (1972) [4 points]
1310000 The Vulture - Michael Keaton - Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) [4 points]
1320000 Howard Payne - Dennis Hopper - Speed (1994) [4 points]
1330000 Kylo Ren - Adam Driver - Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (2015-2019) [4 points]
1340000 Freddie Lee Cobb - Kiefer Sutherland - A Time to Kill (1996) [3 points]
1350000 Max Cady - Robert De Niro - Cape Fear (1991) [3 points]
1360000 Toothless Man - Herbert 'Cowboy' Coward - Deliverance (1972) [3 points]
1370000 Boba Fett - Jeremy Bulloch - Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) [3 points]
1380000 Francis "Tooth Fairy" Dollarhyde - Tom Noonan - Manhunter (1986) [3 points]
1390000 The Great White Shark - Mechanical Shark - Jaws (1975) [2 points]
1400000 Morgan le Fay - Helen Mirren - Excalibur (1981) [2 points]
1410000 Elle "California Mountain Snake" Driver - Daryl Hannah - Kill Bill: Vol. 1 & 2 (2003/2004) [2 points]
1420000 Hoshiko (Yurei/Spirit) - Rina Takasaki - The Forest (2016) [2 points]
1430000 Cody Jarrett - James Cagney - White Heat (1949) [2 points]
1440000 Stump Sisson - Kurtwood Smith - A Time to Kill (1996) [2 points]
1450000 General M Bison - Raul Julia - Street Fighter (1994) [1 point]
1460000 Kayako (Onryo/Spirit) - Takako Fuji - The Grudge (2004) [1 point]
1470000 President Snow - Donald Sutherland - The Hunger Games Franchise (2012-2015) [1 point]
1480000 Ned Pepper - Robert Duvall - True Grit (1969) [1 point]
1490000 Fraser - George Kennedy - Cahill U.S. Marshal (1973) [1 point]

 

[DallasEast]

I took some liberties in defining abstract descriptions but there were a few notable decisions that voting members may disagree with. Those alterations are listed below. Please comment on any that are not agreeable or understood. Any corrections may change existing nominee point totals.

1. Palpatine was minimized to Ian McDiarmid's performance in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) only
2. Gollum was minimized to Andy Serkis's performance in The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) only
3. Pennywise's television movie/mini-series was separated from the theatrical character
4. Joker's two theatrical performances in The Dark Knight (2008) and Joker (2019) were separated
5. Khan Noonien Singh's two theatrical performances in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) and Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) were separated
6. Michael Corleone's three performances were combined under the single The Godfather Trilogy (1972-1990) designation
7. Michael Myers was miniminzed to the original Halloween (1978)
8. Thanos and Loki's multi-movie performances were combined under a single Marvel Cinematic Universe designation

 

[DallasEast]

@DallasEast

Do I need to send the Geek Squad to your house to fix the computer? Maybe I can rent you Bill Gates for 15 minutes.......

Trying to think good thoughts about Geek Squad right now. Do not make me go dark on them. My home PC is filling in nicely. I was finally able to post the point totals of the nominees. Almost time to make the brackets.

 

[Tabascocat]

We need to find a new way for entries, not just top voted. Think about it, maybe 8-10 of us send in nominees who all agree for the most part of the top four/six. Don’t be shocked when those same four/six make it to the end. We already know how this will go, might as well list the last bracket now

Basically, I am saying that we are wasting our time in the early rounds because it will end up how they are ranked due to the same people voting......there will not be upsets like in bball. Now, if lets say 1000 outsiders would vote, then expect an upset or three but in this format it will come down to the Joker and Darth Vader.

 

[DallasEast]

We need to find a new way for entries, not just top voted. Think about it, maybe 8-10 of us send in nominees who all agree for the most part of the top four/six. Don’t be shocked when those same four/six make it to the end. We already know how this will go, might as well list the last bracket now

Basically, I am saying that we are wasting our time in the early rounds because it will end up how they are ranked due to the same people voting......there will not be upsets like in bball. Now, if lets say 1000 outsiders would vote, then expect an upset or three but in this format it will come down to the Joker and Darth Vader.

That is a logical assessment. However, the 'way of entries' is sound in my opinion. It is the level of participation, a la the x number of voting outsiders, that is the issue, I think.

Right now, the ratio of balloting members to non balloting members, who vote in tournament rounds only, is between 2:1 and 4:1. Preferably, I would like a minimum ratio of 15:1 or around 125 total voters per tournament.

There are a few considerations:

• Most members lurk without logging onto the site on a daily basis.
• The most active poll participations occur with those posted in the most visited forum on the site, the Fan Zone.
• Actual level of poll activity varies according to the popularity of the 'uniqueness' of the topic debated. For example: a Cowboys quarterback contract poll attracted 200 voters, while a Cowboys coaching hire poll netted nearly four times more voters.
• Advertising the tournaments is pretty much restricted to the Off-Topic Zone. 'Word of mouth' promotion would likely produce an uptick in voting participation but the tactic would equally be seen as tiresome to the members who will not hold a lasting self-interest.
• People will often gravitate towards opinion expression and shy away from having opinion quantified. Another way of putting that is more folks like posting their opinion as opposed to having their opinion measured or gauged.

Honestly, I have been giving your insight some thought before you posted about it. I believe polling is an upgrade over plain debate. In fact, I think polling enhances topic debate by allowing debaters to evaluate how the pros, cons and in-betweens are seen by others.

Even though I thought tournaments was an *EUREKA!* moment, any self-excitement did not make me set realism aside. Participation has grown over the course of their creation but only by a fraction. I have been and am grateful to everyone keeping things afloat consistently but I would be lying if I said I never thought about taking a less active role in the process and seeing if it can breathe on its own without my help lol.

 

[Runwildboys]

That is a logical assessment. However, the 'way of entries' is sound in my opinion. It is the level of participation, a la the x number of voting outsiders, that is the issue, I think.

Right now, the ratio of balloting members to non balloting members, who vote in tournament rounds only, is between 2:1 and 4:1. Preferably, I would like a minimum ratio of 15:1 or around 125 total voters per tournament.

There are a few considerations:

• Most members lurk without logging onto the site on a daily basis.
• The most active poll participations occur with those posted in the most visited forum on the site, the Fan Zone.
• Actual level of poll activity varies according to the popularity of the 'uniqueness' of the topic debated. For example: a Cowboys quarterback contract poll attracted 200 voters, while a Cowboys coaching hire poll netted nearly four times more voters.
• Advertising the tournaments is pretty much restricted to the Off-Topic Zone. 'Word of mouth' promotion would likely produce an uptick in voting participation but the tactic would equally be seen as tiresome to the members who will not hold a lasting self-interest.
• People will often gravitate towards opinion expression and shy away from having opinion quantified. Another way of putting that is more folks like posting their opinion as opposed to having their opinion measured or gauged.

Honestly, I have been giving your insight some thought before you posted about it. I believe polling is an upgrade over plain debate. In fact, I think polling enhances topic debate by allowing debaters to evaluate how the pros, cons and in-betweens are seen by others.

Even though I thought tournaments was an *EUREKA!* moment, any self-excitement did not make me set realism aside. Participation has grown over the course of their creation but only by a fraction. I have been and am grateful to everyone keeping things afloat consistently but I would be lying if I said I never thought about taking a less active role in the process and seeing if it can breathe on its own without my help lol.

I think you put far too much effort into it.

 

[DFWJC]

Sorry I didn't get my 32 in.
The list looks good enough to me anyway.

I'll participate when the games begin!

 

[CouchCoach]

If we had more members making nominations, we'd have some members nominated. That, would make interesting voting.

 

[CouchCoach]

Sorry I didn't get my 32 in.
The list looks good enough to me anyway.

I'll participate when the games begin!

DE is shooting for 2022.....late in the year.

 

[Runwildboys]

Sorry I didn't get my 32 in.
The list looks good enough to me anyway.

I'll participate when the games begin!

Just vote for everything I listed and you'll be fine.

 

[Tabascocat]

That is a logical assessment. However, the 'way of entries' is sound in my opinion. It is the level of participation, a la the x number of voting outsiders, that is the issue, I think.

Right now, the ratio of balloting members to non balloting members, who vote in tournament rounds only, is between 2:1 and 4:1. Preferably, I would like a minimum ratio of 15:1 or around 125 total voters per tournament.

There are a few considerations:

• Most members lurk without logging onto the site on a daily basis.
• The most active poll participations occur with those posted in the most visited forum on the site, the Fan Zone.
• Actual level of poll activity varies according to the popularity of the 'uniqueness' of the topic debated. For example: a Cowboys quarterback contract poll attracted 200 voters, while a Cowboys coaching hire poll netted nearly four times more voters.
• Advertising the tournaments is pretty much restricted to the Off-Topic Zone. 'Word of mouth' promotion would likely produce an uptick in voting participation but the tactic would equally be seen as tiresome to the members who will not hold a lasting self-interest.
• People will often gravitate towards opinion expression and shy away from having opinion quantified. Another way of putting that is more folks like posting their opinion as opposed to having their opinion measured or gauged.

Honestly, I have been giving your insight some thought before you posted about it. I believe polling is an upgrade over plain debate. In fact, I think polling enhances topic debate by allowing debaters to evaluate how the pros, cons and in-betweens are seen by others.

Even though I thought tournaments was an *EUREKA!* moment, any self-excitement did not make me set realism aside. Participation has grown over the course of their creation but only by a fraction. I have been and am grateful to everyone keeping things afloat consistently but I would be lying if I said I never thought about taking a less active role in the process and seeing if it can breathe on its own without my help lol.

I had an idea to help alleviate predictive results. Instead of everyone submitting a list, have only one person do it.....the guy who’s idea was voted for that particular tourney. So, for the next one, we all vote on the topic per usual, then whoever’s idea was chosen, he submits the list 1-32. That way, we won’t know how it will end up for sure.

This will also speed up the process while not having to wait days for everyone to get their picks in. Just a thought......

 

[Runwildboys]

I had an idea to help alleviate predictive results. Instead of everyone submitting a list, have only one person do it.....the guy who’s idea was voted for that particular tourney. So, for the next one, we all vote on the topic per usual, then whoever’s idea was chosen, he submits the list 1-32. That way, we won’t know how it will end up for sure.

This will also speed up the process while not having to wait days for everyone to get their picks in. Just a thought......

Friggin' great idea! I foresee a lot of whining from someone whose idea doesn't get picked, and therefore can't get a win for Elvis.....err, or whatever his favorite choice would be. But still, a great idea to turn the tourneys over faster, without all the repetition. Plus, someone besides @DallasEast will have to deal with the complaints about the choices listed.

Another bonus is that it would matter a lot less how many participants there are.

 

[cowboyec]

We need to find a new way for entries, not just top voted. Think about it, maybe 8-10 of us send in nominees who all agree for the most part of the top four/six. Don’t be shocked when those same four/six make it to the end. We already know how this will go, might as well list the last bracket now

Basically, I am saying that we are wasting our time in the early rounds because it will end up how they are ranked due to the same people voting......there will not be upsets like in bball. Now, if lets say 1000 outsiders would vote, then expect an upset or three but in this format it will come down to the Joker and Darth Vader.

then it's settled...next tourney...Elvis' 32 GREATEST songs...ipso-fatso...solved.

 

[Tabascocat]

then it's settled...next tourney...Elvis' 32 GREATEST songs...ipso-fatso...solved.

Put me in charge of that one and we will burn through it in an hour!

 

[cowboyec]

Put me in charge of that one and we will burn through it in an hour!

coward.

 

[cowboyec]

we got a good thing goin.
i come up with the ideas.
dallaseast makes the magic happen.
stop screwin' with the original coke formula.
just let us drive....you fellas enjoy the ride.

 

[Tabascocat]

coward.

I don’t think anyone cares about Elvis but you. Maybe we let ya do one Elvis tournament to get it out of your system!