Trade already done?

[Aven8]

This is just my opinion, but do you guys already thing that a trade is already been made for Roy Williams, but they are waiting until draft day to pull the trigger?
Here are the facts: Jerry and Stephen have both said that there biggest need is getting a WR opposite TO for Romo. He has also stated numeorus times that he wants a vet, and would not go into the first round to get a rookie WR. Also, we all know that it is well documented that Detroit has dead money galore from what is it now? 4 straight 1st round WR's taken? (I lost count) Yeah, Marinelli has stated he is keeping RW, but that could be a huge smokescreen on his part. Also, if you look at the Detroit boards the fans are all for getting rid of RW to have a solid running game and a good LB.

Of course this could all be BS, which Jerry has even admitted he has a lot of. What really makes me think that the deal has already been done is when Jerry was speaking with the media a couple of days ago at SMU, and he answered "yes" to the vet WR deal, and gave that Jerry 'wink' with that Grinch grin he has.

This whole post could be BS, but it's what I have this gut feeling on. Also, consider this: If they were to tell the media and the league about the trade now, (a week before the draft) they would lose a lot of leaverage come next Saturday, for both teams. Detroit will hold #15 and possibly #22 or #28. Millen can feel like a player. And with those two picks, he will be. He can get his RB and his LB.

Anyway it's just my opinion, but don't be surprised if the deal has already been done and they're just waiting for Saturday. Will we ever know this? Who know's, but I'll be a very happy camper if it does happen. And I know most of us will sit on our sofas and let out a big "WOW"!

 

[speedkilz88]

Its certainly possible they have a tentative agreement based on players available.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I see your point, but how would the Boys benefit from waiting? They would already have a trade in place to bring in the receiver they want. The pick would obviously be Detroit's, so I'm not sure what the team would gain by waiting.

Also, if the Lions did agree to the trade, that would mean they would benefit the most from making it public because they could then begin positioning themselves to make a deal either before the draft or the day of. Their biggest need is RB. They could sit pat and draft Mendenhall or have the means to move up if they get a feeling he could be drafted before their pick in the first round. Keep in mind the Bears would probably like to get a RB since Benson isn't working out. Carolina could also be looking for one and everyone knows how Shanahan is with RBs.

To me, it makes more sense for the Lions to go public so they can begin to work possible deals. The Boys wouldn't gain or lose anything by it going public.

 

[Avery]

I think they want to wait as to not tip their hand later. If they did get RW, no way we go WR at #22 as some have speculated.

I actually think that if this were true and we were trading #28 for him, we'd select for Detroit and then Goodell would announce the trade later.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

As I posted in another thread, I believe that there are a few options that the Cowboys have in mind.

I do believe that if in some manner, the Cowboys have a chance to move up for McFadden, it would require both firsts this year. Which would eliminate the other options. Just don't see this happening. The best trade partner to me in this option would be KC at #5 because they need help at CB and OL and with picks 22 and 28, they could get help in both areas.

Once that option is gone, I believe they will pick at 22 unless someone different falls.

Once they make a pick at 22, then 28 has actually 3 options:

Make a pick (If a player that the Cowboys want is there)
Trade for a vet WR (If the trading team has a player available)
Trade down. (If there isn't a player that the Cowboys/trade partner has available)

I am so looking forward to next weekend because of all of the options. We won't just be sitting and watching to see who the Cowboys pick at their respective spots. I do feel that the Cowboys will not be picking at 22 and 28. A trade of some sort is going to happen IMO.

Lets get it on!!!!:toast2: :beer1:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I see your point, but how would the Boys benefit from waiting? They would already have a trade in place to bring in the receiver they want. The pick would obviously be Detroit's, so I'm not sure what the team would gain by waiting.

We may not benefit, but like speedkilz said, Detroit may have a list of two or three players they really like at 28 (or 22), and if those players aren't there, they won't make the deal.

 

[CATCH17]

Detroit would be stupid to not shop Roy Williams and just tell Dallas we'll give him to you for 28 if our guy is there.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If they did get RW, no way we go WR at #22 as some have speculated.

We won't go WR at 22 in any scenero.

 

[dbair1967]

We won't go WR at 22 in any scenero.

only way we take a WR at 22 is if its a guy we trade for (RW, CJ, Boldin etc etc)

they certainly wont draft one there IMO...in fact I kinda doubt they take one at 28 either....

David

 

[big dog cowboy]

only way we take a WR at 22 is if its a guy we trade for (RW, CJ, Boldin etc etc)

they certainly wont draft one there IMO...in fact I kinda doubt they take one at 28 either....

David

Totally agree.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We won't go WR at 22 in any scenero.

Let's hope not. ray:

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I just read on NFL.com that Denver, indeed, is looking at Mendenhall with their first pick. If that's the case, I can see Detroit trying to move up to get him. The only way I can see that happening is by packaging picks. If they truly covet Mendenhall, they'll try to move up. They'll need the 28 before Denver's pick to do that.

 

[Aven8]

We won't go WR at 22 in any scenero.

Do you mean by "any scenerio" that you wouldn't trade for RW at 22? If so you're nuts!

 

[Sarge]

Do you mean by "any scenero" that you wouldn't trade for RW at 22? If so you're nuts!

He's already answered that question.

 

[Aven8]

He's already answered that question.

You're right Sarge. My bad. It's still a little early and I've got beer on the brain!

 

[skinsscalper]

The problem is that I don't think one 1st will get it done for RW. It will probably take a 1st and a 3rd. At that point we have picks in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, two 6ths and a 7th. Can we get value for need positions with that?
I'm not saying we can't, but what are we giving up? A CB at #22 is doable, but what will be left at RB in the bottom of the second round that will be viable?

It would be great if the #28 is enough to get Williams. I don't think that would be enough even if the Lions were open to trade options. Even that scenario leaves out the possibility that the Lions only want to make a deal for the #22. What CB will be there at #28 and is he even worth the pick?

All I know is that we're 7 days away and I can't wait!

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

The problem is that I don't think one 1st will get it done for RW.

I do. Detroit won't be able to pay him for very long if they will at all. With one year left on his current contract, they would probably want something for him as opposed to waiting and then losing him for nothing.

 

[Boysboy]

I do. Detroit won't be able to pay him for very long if they will at all. With one year left on his current contract, they would probably want something for him as opposed to waiting and then losing him for nothing.

But they've reportedly had a number of suitors(not just us)-meaning a bidding war would ultimately result.

 

[skinsscalper]

But they've reportedly had a number of suitors(not just us)-meaning a bidding war would ultimately result.

Which is what makes me think that a 1st won't be enough. If the Cowboys are willing to deal, who else might be? The Lions are going to take the best possible deal regardless of RW's (rumored) desire to play in Dallas.

You don't think the Skins would be all over trading for RW? Or the Eagles? They both have higher picks in the 1st than we do. I'm telling you: one #1 at #28 OR #22 will not get it done.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

But they've reportedly had a number of suitors(not just us)-meaning a bidding war would ultimately result.

Detroit does not hold all of the cards for this. No team is going to trade for RW unless he agrees to sign a new contract. A team will not trade for him based on a one year contract. So in a sense, he can say who the trade happens with.

Even if the Dolphins was offering the number 1 pick, if RW said that he would not sign a new contract with them, do you think that the Dolphins would still make that trade? There would not be a team to make that trade, no matter who the player is for one year. Nobody.

A bidding war would happen only if RW agrees to term with the possible suitor, and that team had a higher pick than us.