Trade already done?

[lspain1]

Let's try looking at some other behavior around the NFL when it comes to getting value for a player a team needs/wants to get rid of. Specifically, Tennessee with Pacman Jones. The Titans publicly give Pacman permission to seek a trade and try to get other teams interested. Yet somehow, some here believe Detroit "needs" to trade Roy Williams but doesn't publicize it and doesn't give RW permission to seek a trade. How many other teams need a solid WR, and this in a year where analysts say that every WR in the draft class has question marks?

I've seen the rumors and I appreciate the information we have received form sources I find credible. However, the basic fact remains that Detroit does not "need" to do anything with Roy Williams. There does not seem to be a "driving" reason for anything to be done. A potential money problem next year does NOT constitute a driving reason for a team that wants to win now (and Detroit needs a winner). I hope I'm wrong....but I don't believe we will add another Roy Williams to the Cowboys roster. We'll see.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Let's try looking at some other behavior around the NFL when it comes to getting value for a player a team needs/wants to get rid of. Specifically, Tennessee with Pacman Jones. The Titans publicly give Pacman permission to seek a trade and try to get other teams interested. Yet somehow, some here believe Detroit "needs" to trade Roy Williams but doesn't publicize it and doesn't give RW permission to seek a trade. How many other teams need a solid WR, and this in a year where analysts say that every WR in the draft class has question marks?

I've seen the rumors and I appreciate the information we have received form sources I find credible. However, the basic fact remains that Detroit does not "need" to do anything with Roy Williams. There does not seem to be a "driving" reason for anything to be done. A potential money problem next year does NOT constitute a driving reason for a team that wants to win now (and Detroit needs a winner). I hope I'm wrong....but I don't believe we will add another Roy Williams to the Cowboys roster. We'll see.

Totally agree.

 

[Aven8]

Let's try looking at some other behavior around the NFL when it comes to getting value for a player a team needs/wants to get rid of. Specifically, Tennessee with Pacman Jones. The Titans publicly give Pacman permission to seek a trade and try to get other teams interested. Yet somehow, some here believe Detroit "needs" to trade Roy Williams but doesn't publicize it and doesn't give RW permission to seek a trade. How many other teams need a solid WR, and this in a year where analysts say that every WR in the draft class has question marks?

I've seen the rumors and I appreciate the information we have received form sources I find credible. However, the basic fact remains that Detroit does not "need" to do anything with Roy Williams. There does not seem to be a "driving" reason for anything to be done. A potential money problem next year does NOT constitute a driving reason for a team that wants to win now (and Detroit needs a winner). I hope I'm wrong....but I don't believe we will add another Roy Williams to the Cowboys roster. We'll see.

They don't "need" to, but they should. When Jerry wants something he usually finds a way to make it happen. And if Detroit thinks they are a RB and LB from being good this year, then they have bigger problems then RW's contract situation. There defense sucks and Kitna is not good enough. It would behoove them to get this deal done to a suiter that can pay him. I think Philly could give them Lito and a 2nd or a 3rd, but I really don't think that's Philly's style. If they were to get Lito they would be in the same problem financially. It should be interesting, but I do think this deal gets done, and it may take more than the 22 or 28th pick. As long as it's a 4th or higher on that second pick I'm all for it. RW hasn't even touched his full potential as a WR, so the sky is still the limit.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I believe it is in place provided the player that Det wants is there on draft day at #28.

 

[lspain1]

They don't "need" to, but they should. When Jerry wants something he usually finds a way to make it happen. And if Detroit thinks they are a RB and LB from being good this year, then they have bigger problems then RW's contract situation. There defense sucks and Kitna is not good enough. It would behoove them to get this deal done to a suiter that can pay him. I think Philly could give them Lito and a 2nd or a 3rd, but I really don't think that's Philly's style. If they were to get Lito they would be in the same problem financially. It should be interesting, but I do think this deal gets done, and it may take more than the 22 or 28th pick. As long as it's a 4th or higher on that second pick I'm all for it. RW hasn't even touched his full potential as a WR, so the sky is still the limit.

Aven, I understand your point. I just don't think Detroit's behavior has been consistent with a team looking to unload a player. Like I say, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[jazzcat22]

They could have talked about, if the players aren't there that they want. Or if another, better trade doesn't come about, then they will make this trade. It's not a done deal, but a wait and see what happens deal. IF any at all. I will not believe anything at all until it happens.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Let's try looking at some other behavior around the NFL when it comes to getting value for a player a team needs/wants to get rid of. Specifically, Tennessee with Pacman Jones. The Titans publicly give Pacman permission to seek a trade and try to get other teams interested. Yet somehow, some here believe Detroit "needs" to trade Roy Williams but doesn't publicize it and doesn't give RW permission to seek a trade. How many other teams need a solid WR, and this in a year where analysts say that every WR in the draft class has question marks?

I've seen the rumors and I appreciate the information we have received form sources I find credible. However, the basic fact remains that Detroit does not "need" to do anything with Roy Williams. There does not seem to be a "driving" reason for anything to be done. A potential money problem next year does NOT constitute a driving reason for a team that wants to win now (and Detroit needs a winner). I hope I'm wrong....but I don't believe we will add another Roy Williams to the Cowboys roster. We'll see.

Sounds great. But remember - Matt Millen.

 

[skinsscalper]

Detroit does not hold all of the cards for this. No team is going to trade for RW unless he agrees to sign a new contract. A team will not trade for him based on a one year contract. So in a sense, he can say who the trade happens with.

Even if the Dolphins was offering the number 1 pick, if RW said that he would not sign a new contract with them, do you think that the Dolphins would still make that trade? There would not be a team to make that trade, no matter who the player is for one year. Nobody.

A bidding war would happen only if RW agrees to term with the possible suitor, and that team had a higher pick than us.

Money talks. If a trade for Williams was proposed by a team and that team offered Williams a blockbuster deal the guy is going to sign. He'd be a fool not too. I don't think Williams' desire to play in Texas is going to trump a blockbuster deal with another franchise. Ideally, I'm sure, he'd like to play in Texas but, if another team is willing to give him a Randy Moss type of deal then conventional wisdom says he signs. You're post assumes that Roy Williams will play for Dallas at any cost. I, personally, think that's naive and waaaay off-base. Not a slam on you, at all. Just what I perceive to be seriously flawed thinking.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

A bidding war would happen only if RW agrees to term with the possible suitor, and that team had a higher pick than us.

Money talks. If a trade for Williams was proposed by a team and that team offered Williams a blockbuster deal the guy is going to sign. He'd be a fool not too. I don't think Williams' desire to play in Texas is going to trump a blockbuster deal with another franchise. Ideally, I'm sure, he'd like to play in Texas but, if another team is willing to give him a Randy Moss type of deal then conventional wisdom says he signs. You're post assumes that Roy Williams will play for Dallas at any cost. I, personally, think that's naive and waaaay off-base. Not a slam on you, at all. Just what I perceive to be seriously flawed thinking.

You took my post wrong.

Re-read my last sentence. I was stating that for a bidding war to happen as far as who could offer the best pick, RW would first have to agree to a new contract with that team. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[iceberg]

I see your point, but how would the Boys benefit from waiting? They would already have a trade in place to bring in the receiver they want. The pick would obviously be Detroit's, so I'm not sure what the team would gain by waiting.

Also, if the Lions did agree to the trade, that would mean they would benefit the most from making it public because they could then begin positioning themselves to make a deal either before the draft or the day of. Their biggest need is RB. They could sit pat and draft Mendenhall or have the means to move up if they get a feeling he could be drafted before their pick in the first round. Keep in mind the Bears would probably like to get a RB since Benson isn't working out. Carolina could also be looking for one and everyone knows how Shanahan is with RBs.

To me, it makes more sense for the Lions to go public so they can begin to work possible deals. The Boys wouldn't gain or lose anything by it going public.

you wait to open up options, that's all. trade now and suddenly the board changes and you may want to have done something differently.

i'm sure there are scenarios out there that if xyz happens, the pick goes to detroit for williams. if abc happens, we keep it or trade up/down depending on what's going on.

no real advantage to make the play now except to make the IGS happy.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Which is what makes me think that a 1st won't be enough. If the Cowboys are willing to deal, who else might be? The Lions are going to take the best possible deal regardless of RW's (rumored) desire to play in Dallas.

You don't think the Skins would be all over trading for RW? Or the Eagles? They both have higher picks in the 1st than we do. I'm telling you: one #1 at #28 OR #22 will not get it done.

You are forgetting about 1 huge difference, Roy is a FA at the end of the season. Thus, any team will demand he signs an extension before trading for him so they dont end up "renting" him for 1 season.

If Lions agree to trade him to Washington and Roy says no to an extension, you still think the Skins are going to do the trade? No team will.

Thus, Roy will have a HUGE say in where he is actually traded.

 

[skinsscalper]

You took my post wrong.

Re-read my last sentence. I was stating that for a bidding war to happen as far as who could offer the best pick, RW would first have to agree to a new contract with that team. Sorry for the confusion.

My bad. I do think, however, that RW would negotiate with just about anyone that was brought to the trade table, though.

 

[skinsscalper]

You are forgetting about 1 huge difference, Roy is a FA at the end of the season. Thus, any team will demand he signs an extension before trading for him so they dont end up "renting" him for 1 season.

If Lions agree to trade him to Washington and Roy says no to an extension, you still think the Skins are going to do the trade? No team will.

Thus, Roy will have a HUGE say in where he is actually traded.

That's the crux, though. I don't think RW would say no to an extension regardless of the team. Does he have a little bargaining power? Sure. I don't think he'll flex it in a desire to play for the Cowboys. A large money deal is a large money deal regardless of where he plays. My gut says he takes the money if it's right there in front of his face, whether it's Washington, Philly, Dallas, or anyone else.

I think the whole "Roy wants to play in Dallas" theme is way overplayed and there's a lot of inferred weight in that philosophy basically ensuring, to those of us who would love for it to happen, that any trade by the Lions for RW will automatically make the trade to Dallas a foregone conclusion. I happen to believe that the logic is seriously flawed. Cory Dillon, at one point wanted to be traded to Dallas also. It didn't prevent him from doing a sign and trade deal with New England.

 

[jjktkk]

Do you mean by "any scenerio" that you wouldn't trade for RW at 22? If so you're nuts!

I would prefer to use the 28th pick, but if it took the 22nd pick to get Roy Williams, you have to pull the trigger on the deal.
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