Trade Down, Trade up or Stay put.

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Each year we have debates over if we should trade down, trade up or stay put.

Prior to each draft we talk about the merits of all of these ideas.

This year there is the possibility of all three scenarios happening. In one case we could have a trade down and trade up.

Some consider the idea that we might trade up for a player like Peterson.

Some consider the idea of us sitting where we are at and maybe getting Peterson if he falls, maybe taken a Cam Jordan if he is there, Robert Quinn or possibly an OT.

Some consider the idea of us trading down and taking a OT.

I could be ok with any of the three scenarios. I still have man love for Patrick Peterson and I think the team has it for him as well.

I could see us sitting there if a player we really likes manages to fall to us.

I could see us trading down.

This year, unless a player we reallly like falls to us I think we don't just sit put.

I like Peterson and I would not mind the trade up. The problem with that is how far he falls before we trade up. How much we would have to give up to trade up.

If he does not fall far enough or we do not want to pay the price other teams ask to trade up...I think we might be better off trading down a few spots instead of staying put.

I say this because or our O-Line. This might be the year we finally can address our Oline in the draft and do so with some quality players.

Possibly trade down some and we could wind up getting Say a Carimi for OT and a moffitt as OG/C. The idea of trading down a few spots also means if there is a player at the top of the second, or very bottom of the 1st, we might have the ammo to move up from our current 2nd round pick to get him.

Between the OTs in this draft and the OGs/C we could help solidify our olines future in two rounds or one round with two picks. Now it would not completely turn the oline around but getting two quality starters is a pretty good start considering we already have Doug Free (either keeping him at LT or moving to RT). That is three of the five positions that could be good to go (assuming the drafted linemen work out of course).


One other thing to consider with the Oline picks is we learned that Dallas tends to evaluate the Oline lower than some other teams. This does not mean in every case. What I think does happen is that maybe other teams evaluate close to the same but they figure a slight reach is worth it in order to get the player they want/need. This might be the problem with us in drafting Olinemen over the last few years with Free being the only one that has panned out for some time now. We have also heard stories of how we liked this or that guy at an online position but a team taking him just before we can...which would seem to indicate again that we are not putting as much value on them as others are.

So with this draft, it could be the ideal time to turn that one high pick into two quality Olinemen and help solidify the future of the oline.

Even dropping a few slots I think we can still get a quality OT and we can parlay our second round pick (whether the current one we have or moving up) into an OG/C type player like Moffitt (or other names).

So to me I think this is a draft we either trade up or trade down. The only scenario I see that works in our favor of staying put is if a player we reallly really like falls into our laps like say a Peterson or Quinn...a player that they might actually consider trading up for to begin with. The only other player at this time I think they might stay put for is possibly Cam Jordan due to how he is doing in the senior bowl. He is a player that is rising now so not a case of someone like Quinn or Peterson who, at this time, would be seen more as a player that would have to fall to us...hope that makes sense.

Ok...is that enough rambling?:D
 
I would love to trade down to pick 14 or 15 and get Cameron Jordan, Marcell Darius or Adrian Clayborne. One of those three would be there at 14 or 15 and would add a great player into our front 7.

Then I would take the pick we got in trading down and use our second round pick to get back in the bottom of the first round. Maybe to New Englands area at #28. And here pick one of the 5 top offensive tackles. Solder, Carimi, Sherrod, smith, Costanzo. I would be really surprised if all five of them are gone at pick #28
 
laythewood28;3823092 said:
With so many needs its best to trade down and get more picks.

See the conundrum of sorts is the player they may consider to be a once in a blue moon type of player. Like a Peterson (again if they view him as such).

In those cases I think it is hard to argue against getting a player that is viewed in that light vs trading down for a few extra picks.

If it was not a player of that sort (again if that is how they view him) I would be saying to trade down without question.
 
Jaxonsdaddd;3823096 said:
I would love to trade down to pick 14 or 15 and get Cameron Jordan, Marcell Darius or Adrian Clayborne. One of those three would be there at 14 or 15 and would add a great player into our front 7.

Then I would take the pick we got in trading down and use our second round pick to get back in the bottom of the first round. Maybe to New Englands area at #28. And here pick one of the 5 top offensive tackles. Solder, Carimi, Sherrod, smith, Costanzo. I would be really surprised if all five of them are gone at pick #28

I don't think Jordan or Darius would be there at 14 or 15. I think they could be taken in the top ten. Darius has been talked about that area for some time now and Jordan is racing up the boards with his performance at the senior bowl so far.

Clayborne...I think he could fall of the first round or be there at the bottom of the first round.
 
I vote for quality over quantity. Trade up and take Peterson.
 
I have a sneaking suspicion that Robert Quinn or Von Miller drops to us at pick #9. I strongly believe the Bills will jump on Cam Newton (will be a monster in 3yrs) and then Jake Locker and Ryan Mallet will go to other teams needing a good QB in the first 10 picks.

This is definitely the DRAFT that Dallas can address our aging OL. There are definitely some good OT, OG, and Center college players coming out this year. With our losing record and opportunity to finally pick in the top 10 in all 7 RDs, we should come away with some young stud lineman (RT/OG/Center) in the first 2-3 Rds. Additionally, with some Draft studs being injured and unable to perform at the East-West, Senior, or Combine, we may get lucky and draft an additional 1st or 2nd Rd prospect in the 3rd or 4th round. In any event, we can NOT mess around this year. New England has multiple 1st rd picks and will scoop up a pass rushing DE and one or two OL (OT, RT, or OG) prospects for sure.

If Quinn or Miller or Peterson don't drop to us at Pick#9, we should even consider sliding down a few spots if we can get another 3rd RD pick for this year. If this happens, Jerrah can draft a top-tier OT, OG, and probably a stud Center for the O-Line that will infuse us will young studs for years to come. Addressing our OL (this year) is the ONLY way the Cowboys will EVER make it to the playoffs with any chance of beating Green Bay or the other NFC division winners. We won 3 Super Bowls in the Emmitt Smith era because we had the BEST OL in the NFL. We aren't even close now!!!

I strongly believe that Rob Ryan is probably feeling good after viewing tape of all of our young defensive line BEEF that we've accumulated over the past few years (but have been unable to fit into a workable 3-4 scheme that dominates opposing offensives). Yes, we need an experienced Free Safety, an additional Inside Linebacker (since Sean Lee is oft injured and our other two ILB's are getting old and lack explosiveness), and a fourth stud CB. With a few savvy moves in the later rounds of the draft or via free agency, Rob Ryan can address our defensive areas of concern (mammoth NT, Free Safety, 4th CB, ILB, & passing rushing DE).
 
JonJon;3823117 said:
I vote for quality over quantity. Trade up and take Peterson.

It's hard to argue that. Although I will say that I think you can still get quality and quantity if you get the right players.

Not the situation couple of years back where we kept trading down and down and wound up with what some have coined a ST draft.

I think it all hinges at where they think Peterson (or insert other players name) will fall and how much it would cost to move up.
 
natesboys051;3823166 said:
I have a sneaking suspicion that Robert Quinn or Von Miller drops to us at pick #9. I strongly believe the Bills will jump on Cam Newton (will be a monster in 3yrs) and then Jake Locker and Ryan Mallet will go to other teams needing a good QB in the first 10 picks.

This is definitely the DRAFT that Dallas can address our aging OL. There are definitely some good OT, OG, and Center college players coming out this year. With our losing record and opportunity to finally pick in the top 10 in all 7 RDs, we should come away with some young stud lineman (RT/OG/Center) in the first 2-3 Rds. Additionally, with some Draft studs being injured and unable to perform at the East-West, Senior, or Combine, we may get lucky and draft an additional 1st or 2nd Rd prospect in the 3rd or 4th round. In any event, we can NOT mess around this year. New England has multiple 1st rd picks and will scoop up a pass rushing DE and one or two OL (OT, RT, or OG) prospects for sure.

If Quinn or Miller or Peterson don't drop to us at Pick#9, we should even consider sliding down a few spots if we can get another 3rd RD pick for this year. If this happens, Jerrah can draft a top-tier OT, OG, and probably a stud Center for the O-Line that will infuse us will young studs for years to come. Addressing our OL (this year) is the ONLY way the Cowboys will EVER make it to the playoffs with any chance of beating Green Bay or the other NFC division winners. We won 3 Super Bowls in the Emmitt Smith era because we had the BEST OL in the NFL. We aren't even close now!!!

I strongly believe that Rob Ryan is probably feeling good after viewing tape of all of our young defensive line BEEF that we've accumulated over the past few years (but have been unable to fit into a workable 3-4 scheme that dominates opposing offensives). Yes, we need an experienced Free Safety, an additional Inside Linebacker (since Sean Lee is oft injured and our other two ILB's are getting old and lack explosiveness), and a fourth stud CB. With a few savvy moves in the later rounds of the draft or via free agency, Rob Ryan can address our defensive areas of concern (mammoth NT, passing rushing DE, Free Safety, and 4th CB).

I agree with the majority of this.

However I will say that I don't think Locker goes that high. I think he might not even go in the first round. The more people watch him in senior bowl practice, the more time they get to watch his game tape...the closer it gets to the draft when scouts have too much time and wind up being too nit picky on 1st round picks....I just don't see it with him and really not in the top 10. I think many people are really over estimating him.

Now to something else you said.

I think if Von Miller Or Robert Quinn drop to #9 I think they would view them as players too good to pass up...and they are probably right.

I talked about a few players that I think they would stay put for, Did not think to speak of Von as I figure he will be gone but you never know.
 
laythewood28;3823092 said:
With so many needs its best to trade down and get more picks.

That's what I'd rather do. I'd love for Cam Newton's stock to stay high, let him fall to our pick, and open up the bidding.
 
Trade to the value of the draft. Depending on the year, that might be up or down. This year, I would say trade down. A lot of talented players in the 1st 3 rounds IMO.
 
It all depends on how the top 8 go but I'm more inclined to take fewer high quality players than more lower ranked players. I think 2009 shows how taking a lot of mid round picks can backfire on you.
 
If we stay put or move up, it will be for a defensive player who can start immediately. If we trade down, I think it will be 3-5 slots down and we pick an OT. I don't think we use a top 10 pick on a RT.
 
JonJon;3823117 said:
I vote for quality over quantity. Trade up and take Peterson.

My only concern Is Patrick Peterson worth around 60 million dollars(5th pick last year eric berry type contract)? Not only are you getting rid of your entire draft you also have to pay him a boat load as well. I
 
It really depends on what JJ does during FA and what player is available at Pick 9.

I really can't see trading up given our needs and we're already at the top 1/3 of the draft.

Staying put or trading down to mid teens is a possibility.

I vote for QUALITY over QUANTITY as well. Take someone you like instead of settling for someone you think is similar or maybe as good.
 
btcutter;3823258 said:
It really depends on what JJ does during FA and what player is available at Pick 9.

I really can't see trading up given our needs and we're already at the top 1/3 of the draft.

Staying put or trading down to mid teens is a possibility.

I vote for QUALITY over QUANTITY as well. Take someone you like instead of settling for someone you think is similar or maybe as good.

The problem is no CBA no FA before the draft.

If the lockout is still on I wouldn't trade up unless it would be with 2012 picks.
 
no brainer to trade down to mid teens and pick up 2nd rounder if we can find a trade partner, IMO

peterson will not fix our problems by himself

our needs are:

1. fix the OL trenches (need 2 OL in first 3 rounds of draft and 1 in FA)
2. produce pressure from front 7 (need beefy NT and ILB that can cover)
3. Better safety play (huff in FA and draft SS)
4. Very fast RB or WR who is also PR/KR

these 4 things (all very do-able) with a new (and hopefully better) defensive scheme and disciplined hard-nosed football and i really believe we can be in the playoffs next year.

my FA wishlist would be (in order)

1. Ngata (I know, I know so dont say it, but he would change our whole defense)
2. Good OG (cant get the guy from NE if we are going to get Ngata)
3. Huff
4. ILB who can hit and cover

this is very do-able
 
This draft is loaded with 3-4 DE's even into 2 and 3.

No need to take one high.

JJ Watt later in the 20's is just as good, if not better than anyone up top.

Trade down a skosh and take Carimi.
 
Duane;3823204 said:
It all depends on how the top 8 go but I'm more inclined to take fewer high quality players than more lower ranked players. I think 2009 shows how taking a lot of mid round picks can backfire on you.

I think it depends on what you want out of this draft. If you want a single player, such as an OLB or a CB or Safety, then it makes sense to identify that player and figure out how to get them. However, if your approach is to upgrade your DL or your OL, then it probably makes more sense to trade down and aquire picks in the 1st 2 or 3 rounds. There is a lot of quality there for certain positions.
 
blindzebra;3823271 said:
The problem is no CBA no FA before the draft.

If the lockout is still on I wouldn't trade up unless it would be with 2012 picks.


Hey Zebra, haven't seen you posting in awhile. How have you been?
 

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