Trade Greg Ellis for Antwan Peek

[Vintage]

Same applies to those who think we'll get a first day pick...

 

[DawnOfANewD]

Isn't Anthony Weaver going to start opposite M. Williams instead of Peek or Babin? He's not a dominant pass-rusher but he's well-rounded and solid against the run and was an effective starter in BAL. With Weaver around, maybe they don't need Ellis then.

 

[WoodysGirl]

If we sit around waiting for what is considered "equal value" then we'll be waiting a very long time.

You would be right. But I would think there's a level to how low you go without being completely hosed by the deal.

I'd say Peek is an underachiever at this point. You want to at least trade for someone who's produced. Fujita didn't do enough for us to re-sign him, but at least when he was brought in, you could point to something and say, ok that's why he was brought in. He's a tackling machine.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't think the Texans would do it. If Peak reaches his potential could be special and the gamble of letting that slip through your fingers isn't worth an aging stopgap player like Ellis. Not for a team like the Texans. They aren't going to be contending for a Superbowl next year or the year after.

 

[junk]

Peak wouldn't be starting .. he would be taking Greg's role as nickel pass rusher in a 4 man line. We only play in the base 3-4 about 50% of the time. If we move Greg, we need someone to take his place in the nickel defense.

In the meantime, I think Ware is turning into this year's Flozell ... the player we absolutely can not afford to have injured because the dropoff between him and the person behind him is so dramatic. Boiman, Burnett, Singleton and a rookie Carpenter provide little to no pass rush.

Well, I totally disagree that Carpenter provides little to no pass rush. I'm sure you're bent because you went off on how the 3-4 never had true LBs playing OLB and Dallas drafted him anyway, but he can get to the QB.

As far as the rest, I agree. If you trade Ellis, the ideal return would be a edge rusher for the nickel who could back up Ware.

 

[Stash]

Good argument, but the primary reason the Cowboys want to keep Ellis is because he's a "pressure" player. Antwan Peek in his three seasons in the league has 9 sacks. I wouldn't qualify that an equal trade in need.

And if we go by numbers alone, we'd be on the negative end of this trade. Ellis is a proven player. No matter what folks think of him. Because of his consistency, you know what you're gonna get.

Peek in his three years hasn't shown much, although last year would've been his best year. But clue me in if I'm wrong. As a LB in a 3-4 scheme, aren't you supposed to have more than 46 tackles?

A valid question. But consider:

Peek had 46 tackles 6 sacks and 1 pass defensed

Ware had 58 tackles 8 sacks and 1 pass defensed

Ware was a rookie and Peek had his first year as a full-time starter.

I think the Cowboys could hit on a player just coming into his own while trading an aging, disgruntled vet.

 

[bayarealightning]

A valid question. But consider:

Peek had 46 tackles 6 sacks and 1 pass defensed

Ware had 58 tackles 8 sacks and 1 pass defensed

Ware was a rookie and Peek had his first year as a full-time starter.

I think the Cowboys could hit on a player just coming into his own while trading an aging, disgruntled vet.

Then I guess you are of the opinion that he would want to stay with the 'Boys and be a part-time player when his contract expires? Also, that would be saying that Carpenter cannot be an every down player when he hasn't even hit Training Camp. If you want a part-time player to do a specific duty, you draft those guys late or you bring in an undrafted free agent. If Peek stays, you stunt the developement of Carpenter. If he stays for one year, you just traded an experienced pass rusher to rent out a player for one year (if it is true that Peeks contract expires after this season).

 

[Stash]

Then I guess you are of the opinion that he would want to stay with the 'Boys and be a part-time player when his contract expires? Also, that would be saying that Carpenter cannot be an every down player when he hasn't even hit Training Camp. If you want a part-time player to do a specific duty, you draft those guys late or you bring in an undrafted free agent. If Peek stays, you stunt the developement of Carpenter. If he stays for one year, you just traded an experienced pass rusher to rent out a player for one year (if it is true that Peeks contract expires after this season).

Let's say you're right in your assumptions:

I'm suggesting that Peek could fill the pass-rushing role being designated for Greg Ellis better than Ellis could.

The trade would be Peek for Ellis

It has little to do with Carpenter one way or another

Peek would be filling Ellis' role, not Carpenters

Parcells stated that Ellis was one of two "pass rushers" that the Cowboys had, Ware being the other.

Peek has shown that he can rush the passer in the 3-4 defense meaning that the scheme would not have to change to accommodate him as it would for Ellis.

If Ellis stays, wouldn't that affect Carpenter just as much (or little)?

If Ware were to get injured, who replaces him?

The injury-prone, unproven Burnett? Rocky Boiman? My thinking is that Peek would be a quality backup/pass-rusher at the very least.

And if Peek was "rented" for a year, how would that be any different than Ellis being cut next year if the "Great Experiment" doesn't work out?

But I would work out a new deal for Peek before completing any trade for Ellis. Peek could probably be had for less than Ellis' current salary.

 

[Hostile]

I'd rather trade him for a draft pick or another player who fills definite need.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I'd rather trade him for a draft pick or another player who fills definite need.

Yeah like Ellis for Andre Johnson

 

[L-O-Jete]

At 6-3 238lbs. can he ´play with his hand down like Ellis? He got 6 sacks playing Ware's position are you taking out Ware to put in Antwan Peek?

 

[Yeagermeister]

I guess we found our new Dexter Coakley

 

[DLCassidy]

No Peek. If we can get a third, Ellis goes. If we can't he stays whether he likes it or not.

 

[Alexander]

No Peek. If we can get a third, Ellis goes. If we can't he stays whether he likes it or not.

I think even a third is pushing it.

If we want to move him, we might not get an offer even that attractive.

Just a hunch, but if we do trade him, there are going to be some very upset fans who will think we got swindled. DEs on the wrong side of thirty who have never been among the league leaders at the position don't get moved for first day picks very often. And just being "consistent" doesn't fetch premium draft choices either.

 

[DLCassidy]

I think even a third is pushing it.

If we want to move him, we might not get an offer even that attractive.

Just a hunch, but if we do trade him, there are going to be some very upset fans who will think we got swindled. DEs on the wrong side of thirty who have never been among the league leaders at the position don't get moved for first day picks very often. And just being "consistent" doesn't fetch premium draft choices either.

I totally agree. And that's why I think he's going to be here this year. You'd need a team in the right style of D that thinks they have a chance of winning soon. There's very few teams that even fit that description. And since we think we have a chance this year we're not going to dump him for a late pick. He has to know this. His agent has to know this. That's what makes this whole thing so dumb. All Ellis is doing is making himself look bad and causing the team problems and he's likely to get nothing from it other than an even worse attitude and if he keeps it up maybe even less playing time than he would have otherwise. <shrug>

 

[BigDFan5]

I think even a third is pushing it.

If we want to move him, we might not get an offer even that attractive.

Just a hunch, but if we do trade him, there are going to be some very upset fans who will think we got swindled. DEs on the wrong side of thirty who have never been among the league leaders at the position don't get moved for first day picks very often. And just being "consistent" doesn't fetch premium draft choices either.

If we trade him a 5th or a conditional 4th may be more likely

 

[tunahelper]

What about Ellis for Lelie?

 

[Stash]

I think the team is in "win now" mode meaning that they can't and won't trade him unless it helps them now.

 

[CowboyManDan]

I'd trade him for offense. Namely a young WR, QB or OL if one is available.

 

[Clove]

Ellis for one of those Detroit Wide Receivers sound fair to me.