Trade up w Rams at 13

[Texas_Pete]

This. Therotically Donald is a nice piece. Too many people around here are acting like this is Bob Lilly part 2. I dont like the idea of drafting scheme specific players for a coaching staff I expect to be elsewhere in 2015.

This is why I am leaning towards Jernigan. Jernigan can effectively play in a 3-4 or 4-3. Plus he's bigger and likely is a better run stopper. FSU's defense was dominant last year. He was the anchor in the middle making it happen.

 

[AsthmaField]

Been saying this for awhile now. I have no problem trading up a few spots for Donald.

Yeah, if the team thinks he's that perfect for the 3 tech spot, then I have no problem moving up in front of the Bears and getting him.

But then that probably surprises nobody.

 

[Aven8]

Yeah, if the team thinks he's that perfect for the 3 tech spot, then I have no problem moving up in front of the Bears and getting him.

But then that probably surprises nobody.

What scares me is he played NT in the 34 the previous year for Pitt and still had the same type year. So he's not just a 3 tech IMO. He's light, but who cares if the Center and Guard can't even touch him!

 

[bodi]

I really look hard at Jernigan

then possible trade down for

Kony Ealy, DE, 6-4 #273 Missuouri
Ra'shede Hageman, DT, 6-5 #310 Minnesota
Stephon Tuitt, DT, 6-5 #305 North Dame

 

[bodi]

What scares me is he played NT in the 34 the previous year for Pitt and still had the same type year. So he's not just a 3 tech IMO. He's light, but who cares if the Center and Guard can't even touch him!

yea but this is the pros not some college guys you never heard of

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

If we trade out of the position it will be to trade down not up.

That's what I'm hoping. Seems like some awesome players could be going 10 or so spots before we pick in every round. For example Scott Crichton. Don't think he lasts to the boys second pick. But would love him in a Cowboys uniform.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Not just the bears that may take Donald, I saw a mock with StL taking him. Believe we will be forced to trade up in order to get him. If not him or Manziel, we def need to trade way down, if not out of round one IMO

What about NYG taking him now that Joseph went to the Vikings?

 

[AsthmaField]

yea but this is the pros not some college guys you never heard of

True story:

When Dallas drafted Emmitt Smith, a non-Cowboy fan that I was watching the draft with said, "Horrible pick."

"Why is that?" I asked.

"He made a living out of breaking tackles and making people miss." he said. "Smith won't get away with that in the pro's. They tackle too well and are just too athletic for him to do that. The NFL isn't the SEC. He just doesn't have the speed you need."

You know the rest.
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Maybe Donald doesn't succeed in the NFL. We just don't know.

What we do know however, is that almost no DT's that have ever entered the draft has had workout numbers that equaled what he put up.
We also know that that athleticism isn't just workout numbers because what he did in the actual games in college was phenomenal. He produced at a ridiculous rate in college.
We know that his quickness and speed are rare for a guy who is 250, much less 290.
We know that he is quicker than a lot of DT's that won with quickness in the NFL.
We know he is strong and uses leverage to his advantage.
We also know that there have been undersized DT's in the NFL that were more than successful, with Randle, Atkins, Glover, Melton and plenty others making numerous pro bowls.
And we know he will get bigger and stronger as he works in an NFL strength and conditioning program.
We know that the scheme we run is the absolute best scheme for quick, undersized 3-technique tackles to succeed in.
We know that he was just as good playing as a NT.
We know that our defensive coaches said they prefer speed over size in the defenders they're looking for.
We know that he has the work ethic and character that our scouts and coaches look for. That he loves the game of football and it is important to him.

I don't know that he will be a really good 3-tech for Marinelli... but I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[bodi]

we all know your he's your guy AsthmaField

but comparing him to E Smith - well I got to say about that Jimmy was a college coach an knew what he was getting

I appreciate your enthusiasm for him

you got to go with what you believe

 

[supercowboy8]

Not just the bears that may take Donald, I saw a mock with StL taking him. Believe we will be forced to trade up in order to get him. If not him or Manziel, we def need to trade way down, if not out of round one IMO

yeah because mocks are always right. There are just about 1000 different mocks made every day.

St.Louis taking him would be scary with Donald and Brockers with Long and Quinn on that DL. All drafted players too. Thats a way to build a Dline.

 

[AsthmaField]

we all know your he's your guy AsthmaField

but comparing him to E Smith - well I got to say about that Jimmy was a college coach an knew what he was getting

I appreciate your enthusiasm for him

you got to go with what you believe

Well, I wasn't comparing him to Emmitt... I was merely pointing out that there were people then who thought that Smith wouldn't be successful in the NFL because he broke tackles and made people miss who were "only" college players. They said that he was too slow... and he wasn't very fast. What they failed to account for however, was his extremely quick change of direction, his uncanny strength, and his fantastic run instincts.

I was hoping that people would see the analogy between that and Donald only beating guards who are in college and who think he's too small.

Just like Smith was slower than you'd ideally want; Donald is a little lighter than you'd ideally want. Smith has some rare traits in his strength and change of direction and Donald has some in his quickness and speed. Those exceptional traits were enough for Emmitt to overcome his lack of speed. Is Donald's exceptional traits enough to overcome his lack of size? Only time will tell, but I think they are.

Anyway, I appreciate you not beating me up because I think Donald is who we should draft. I know I'm too focused on him, and there is a good chance he ends up elsewhere... but I honestly think he'd be great in Marinelli's defense.

I will get behind whoever we draft. I just hope it is Aaron.

 

[AsthmaField]

I saw somewhere a prediction that Dallas trades up with Tenn. at #11 to take Donald. I could see it happening. Like I said though, if Dallas does do it, then they feel like Donald is that perfect of a fit for Marinelli and that it is worth it to secure him.

 

[Fredd]

There are very few guys I would give up resources to trade up and get. For example, if by some miracle, Mack fell within range, then go get him...IMO, he is a difference maker more so than most in the top part of the first round...I like Donald a lot and would be happy with the pick, I just see him with value between our pick and high 20's (between 15-25). So, trading up for someone with that value makes me a little queasy with the enormous needs the team has

 

[TheRomoSexual]

See also Joey Galloway, Roy Williams and Morris Claibourne

See also Emmitt Smith and Dez Bryant.

 

[jnday]

This. Therotically Donald is a nice piece. Too many people around here are acting like this is Bob Lilly part 2. I dont like the idea of drafting scheme specific players for a coaching staff I expect to be elsewhere in 2015.

You make a great point. It would be foolish to sink a ton of resources into players that are scheme specific when a new coaching staff may change the scheme. It may not be a popular point to consider, but it has to be factored into the players that are on the draft board.

 

[jnday]

yea but this is the pros not some college guys you never heard of

The pro linemen are faster and stronger. With Donald's size, he may wear down easily when he faces linemen that are able to push him around. Then he becomes a situational pass rusher. That makes me question his value if that becomes the case.

 

[bodi]

I wonder how he do with adding say 15 pounds


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/4/5456006/the-notebook-aaron-donald-master-of-technique

 

[ceerrece]

Sorry, but Donald doesn't worth trading up, there's no certainty that he could be the answer to Dallas problems... take Jernigan, a LB or trade down instead.

 

[jnday]

Sorry, but Donald doesn't worth trading up, there's no certainty that he could be the answer to Dallas problems... take Jernigan, a LB or trade down instead.

Donald could be great, but their seems to be concerns with most if the Dline prospects. I don't think any if them are worth trading up for.

 

[xwalker]

This is why I am leaning towards Jernigan. Jernigan can effectively play in a 3-4 or 4-3. Plus he's bigger and likely is a better run stopper. FSU's defense was dominant last year. He was the anchor in the middle making it happen.

I don't see Jernigan as a good fit in a 3-4. Most 3-4 DEs are taller with long arms and at 299 lbs he's not really NT size.