Trading for value

[Galian Beast]

The one thing I have to give the Patriots credit for is trading for value. They do three things really well. Trading average or used/done players to other teams for high draft picks and also trading for players that are seen as unwanted, but obviously talented for somewhat cheap. They also know when to trade down to get multiple players.

Trades for Picks
Drew Bledsoe - 1st round draft pick
Richard Seymour - 1st round draft pick
Deon Branch - 1st round draft pick

They traded Tebucky Jones for a 3rd round draft pick, a 4th round draft pick, and a 7th round draft pick. They then used the 3rd to trade into the 2nd in the following year.

Trade for Veterans
Corey Dillon - 2nd round draft pick
Randy Moss - 4th round draft pick

They also traded a 2nd and a 7th for Welker

For the most part historically they haven't paid money to a lot of players.

It seems we can't do these kinds of things in Dallas not only because Jerry problem isn't qualified, but the fans would flip out over a lot of these moves or the mere suggestions of them.

It would be nice if we could get some value for Anthony Spencer. I wouldn't mind even trading him to the Eagles if we could get a 2nd. The Saints might also be an option. The Browns would be the best choice.

maybe we could get their 35th overall pick? Or the Browns 38th overall. Even more unfortunate is the lack of a 2nd round draft pick for the saints, making it less likely they would even give us their 3rd.

I also wish this team would look at acquiring talent that isn't overvalued. When was the last time we made a trade for a player that didn't involve a 1st round draft pick?

 

[Reality]

When your team has solid or great seasons just about every year, suddenly all of the players on your team appear to be better than they really are. When teams are looking to improve, the players on a 11-5 team look a lot more attractive than those on a 5-11 team. That is the reason the Patriots have been able to trade players away for higher round picks.

The problem is that the Patriots use a system that relies less on any one player other than Tom Brady. That is why when they lose a supposed key player, they continue to keep on winning more often than not.

/reality

 

[Fmart322]

Fans get mad mostly because Jerry usually gets theshort end of the stick. Jerry usually gets to close to his players and holds on to long too.

 

[erod]

I'd pose this a bit differently.

What Belichick does that Jerry doesn't understand is he doesn't hold on to declining players too long.

Belichick pays players for what they WILL do. Jerry pays them for what they already did. That's why there's so much dead money laying around here all the time.

 

[SDCowboy]

I'd pose this a bit differently.

What Belichick does that Jerry doesn't understand is he doesn't hold on to declining players too long.

Belichick pays players for what they WILL do. Jerry pays them for what they already did. That's why there's so much dead money laying around here all the time.

But he also replaces them with someone who ends up playing very well to great. We can't replace declining players if we don't have anyone to replace them or the coaching staff to make the replacement great.

 

[erod]

But he also replaces them with someone who ends up playing very well to great. We can't replace declining players if we don't have anyone to replace them or the coaching staff to make the replacement great.

Garrett is doing a nice job of this, but he needs time. The young core is good, but more are needed this offseason.

 

[xwalker]

Trades for Picks
Drew Bledsoe - 1st round draft pick
Richard Seymour - 1st round draft pick
Deon Branch - 1st round draft pick

They traded Tebucky Jones for a 3rd round draft pick, a 4th round draft pick, and a 7th round draft pick. They then used the 3rd to trade into the 2nd in the following year.

Trade for Veterans
Corey Dillon - 2nd round draft pick
Randy Moss - 4th round draft pick

The received a 2nd for Matt Cassel.

 

[mmillman]

I'd pose this a bit differently.

What Belichick does that Jerry doesn't understand is he doesn't hold on to declining players too long.

Belichick pays players for what they WILL do. Jerry pays them for what they already did. That's why there's so much dead money laying around here all the time.

That might be my favorite post this year - bingo
:thankyou:

 

[burmafrd]

Well maybe that is true. But then why has he come up dry for rings since 2004?

And what has he gotten for all those draft picks?

Gronk and Hernandez and who else that really makes a difference?

I like the way they do things mostly but the results as regards rings?
Not so good.

 

[Common Sense]

Well maybe that is true. But then why has he come up dry for rings since 2004?

And what has he gotten for all those draft picks?

Gronk and Hernandez and who else that really makes a difference?

I like the way they do things mostly but the results as regards rings?
Not so good.

The fact that they've played in two Super Bowls since then and lost them by a combined 7 points negates that argument a little bit. Only five other teams have won a Super Bowl since the 2004 season. It's not like the Patriots have just disappeared. I get your point, though.

 

[erod]

Well maybe that is true. But then why has he come up dry for rings since 2004?

And what has he gotten for all those draft picks?

Gronk and Hernandez and who else that really makes a difference?

I like the way they do things mostly but the results as regards rings?
Not so good.

Belichick runs things so that he doesn't have to be perfect. They don't wallow in dead money like so many other teams, so they're always fluid.

 

[hornitosmonster]

The NFL has caught up the Belichick. His last Superbowl win was 8 seasons go. That is a long time by NFL standards. Brady is almost done and the run is pretty much over.

 

[conner01]

The NFL has caught up the Belichick. His last Superbowl win was 8 seasons go. That is a long time by NFL standards. Brady is almost done and the run is pretty much over.

very true. hard to say how many super bowls they could have won had they kept a few of those guys they let walk. been a long time since the great patriots won a super bowl so i don't think they are as great a system as some give them credit for. they have a great qb who may have won them a few more super bowls had they gave him more weapons

 

[Risen Star]

The NFL has caught up the Belichick. His last Superbowl win was 8 seasons go. That is a long time by NFL standards. Brady is almost done and the run is pretty much over.

They're right on the cusp every year. A bounce here or there and they could have added to their titles. I wish the league caught up to us like that.

Life after Brady will be a challenge for Belichick, but I have a feeling he'll call it a career when that happens and go down as only having his success with possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game.

 

[cowboysooner]

If you get top 5 quarterback play you can have a roster of next to nothing and play well. Look at the 2011 Colts. The 2010 Colts were 10-6 with a fading defense and no running game. Put in a street free agent at qb and they are 2-14.

The Patriots could have won a Superbowl in 2006, but Belichick decided to change the team for draft picks. He was retooling around a late 20's Brady. You can't apply that to a 33 year old Romo. Unless you want to punt on Romo.

 

[burmafrd]

very true. hard to say how many super bowls they could have won had they kept a few of those guys they let walk. been a long time since the great patriots won a super bowl so i don't think they are as great a system as some give them credit for. they have a great qb who may have won them a few more super bowls had they gave him more weapons

Clearly they let Seymour go early. Too early. That extra pass rush in 2007 might have made the difference.

 

[Future]

The NFL has caught up the Belichick. His last Superbowl win was 8 seasons go. That is a long time by NFL standards. Brady is almost done and the run is pretty much over.

Uh, an NFL team established in 1960 that won 1 Super Bowl every 8 years would be on pace to win their 7th in the next year or two, making them the greatest franchise ever.

Like RS said, they have only been a couple of bounces away from winning another one or two along the way.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Uh, an NFL team established in 1960 that won 1 Super Bowl every 8 years would be on pace to win their 7th in the next year or two, making them the greatest franchise ever.

Like RS said, they have only been a couple of bounces away from winning another one or two along the way.

Wins count, not what ifs. So it still has been 8 years since they have won it all.

Teams are no longer building in their mold/model. NFL teams have gone a different way and it should be obvious that the new mold of a perfect QB is Wilson, Cam, Kapernick, and RGIII.

 

[L-O-Jete]

When your team has solid or great seasons just about every year, suddenly all of the players on your team appear to be better than they really are. When teams are looking to improve, the players on a 11-5 team look a lot more attractive than those on a 5-11 team. That is the reason the Patriots have been able to trade players away for higher round picks.

The problem is that the Patriots use a system that relies less on any one player other than Tom Brady. That is why when they lose a supposed key player, they continue to keep on winning more often than not.

/reality

Didn't they win 11 games the year Brady went down? I think you could see them trading Brady one day...

 

[Reality]

Didn't they win 11 games the year Brady went down? I think you could see them trading Brady one day...

Yes, it was with Matt Cassel, but without the Patriots team Cassel has done nothing since. Back when Cassel came in for the injured Brady, the Patriots defense was outstanding.

/reality