Turn play calling duties over to OC Schottenheimer

[jgboys1]

KM was never the problem.

The team must have a effective deep passing game that opposing defenses respect.

Dallas's defense is much better playing with a lead.

This is true and the same can be said about our QB!

 

[quickccc]

I’m not sold on Daks deep ball accuracy…..he occasionally will hit them, but he throws up risky balls too often, than and balls nowhere near the wr.

I'm really worried about Dak .. he's have those games where he'll really ball out .
... ala last year's Bucs playoff game vs Tom Brady in a blow out win ... and having one thinking he's finally
arrived as a top tier QB

Then he'll sump to these type games, with puzzling, disappointing kind of play.

He'll play on a level of a Kirk Cousin or Derek Carr, - It can come or it can go,
and have one questioning if he is really a reliable gamer that we need to sign up and invest for years to come ?

 

[glimmerman]

Players were open short all night. Their defense was coming after Dak all night. We needed to adjust. The dump off was there all night. We would not take it and Dak refuses to tuck and run. This team is going to do this every time we play them..

 

[Mark]

KM was never the problem.

The team must have a effective deep passing game that opposing defenses respect.

This team has exhibited a preference for small, speedy skill players. And they're all getting their lunch money stolen out there.

Where is our Dez, Terrell or Keyshawn at WR? Bigger, athletic guys with a reasonable shot at winning those jump balls heaved by Dak (and more likely than not end up as INTs today).

Or, how about a RB who defenses dread to have to tackle?

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

 

[fivetwos]

I think the plan was to limit what they ask Dak to do, and thereby limit his turnovers…something like the 2016 model.

Big difference….Dak can no longer run, or often refuses to, or can’t seem to decide if that’s the right move. It’s not gonna add up on that alone.

I was on board, but it’s not gonna work in games we don’t get out to a lead. This team has been night and day playing from ahead vs behind, and that probably intensified with the change.

I’d install some sort of package for Lance and see about getting him some series here and there. They’ve gotta do something…and Dak “gotta be better” ain’t the answer. He is what he is.

Not to mention SF knows exactly how to scheme against him, and no one we have on staff has a counter.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Players were open short all night. Their defense was coming after Dak all night. We needed to adjust. The dump off was there all night. We would not take it and Dak refuses to tuck and run. This team is going to do this every time we play them..

Dak took the dump offs the niners blew them up.. they sat on them all night that was the problem... no time to go down field and no space to YAC..then the desperation sets in and bingo Dak INT's incomming.

 

[Blast From The Past]

4th play caller ?

Scott Linehan,.. Kellen Moore ..and now McCarthy.
I believe that's three.
So who am I missing ?

Garrett

 

[Captain-Crash]

heck yeah, they had 14 players in dakies face, nobody could survive that. All the offensive linemen were hurt and we were down to wide receivers blocking for dak.

 

[TNCowboy]

Nothing can be done in the short-term to fix the team. Say BS improves the playcallling, is that fixing Dak's inaccuracy? The anemic running game and inconsistent OL? Is that somehow going to make Terence Steele not an awful lineman? Is that fixing a heartless D that looks for an excuse to lay down?

The engine doesn't just need minor repairs. It needs a major overhaul.

 

[Nova]

Hasn't his offenses sucked everywhere he's been?

part of me thinks that's why it was so lopsided yesterday.

SF has seen his offense pretty recently with Seattle

 

[quickccc]

KM was never the problem.

The team must have a effective deep passing game that opposing defenses respect.

Dallas's defense is much better playing with a lead.

Overall Kellen was actually a very solid OC, but he just had his share of flaws that became more definite
and stand out in certain games and certain NFL foes ... especially vs the Niners in two back to back playoff exits.

1) Moore did not scheme-design for certain players and unit areas - such as scheming & involving the RBs into the
pass game well nor a spot player such as Turpin (who was strictly special teams in '22)
Turpin has made two huge big plays for offense in last 2 games - non-existent under Kellen.

2) KM was Not situational aware and proactive - when you have a 28-14 lead over GB, you have to implement
your plus run game to both to take up game clock and further help keep Rodgers off field, further help your defense .

3) He would never go back to plays that would work- if a jet sweep worked a couple of times, he was done
with it altogether.

 

[quickccc]

part of me thinks that's why it was so lopsided yesterday.

SF has seen his offense pretty recently with Seattle

This is supposedly McCarthy's offense - not Schott.
I think Schott is just translating the X's and O's, that Mac wants his QB to hear and have.

 

[removed_20241105]

This what 90% of fans wanted.
Kellen gone.

Not looking so good now is it

 

[quickccc]

Players were open short all night. Their defense was coming after Dak all night. We needed to adjust. The dump off was there all night. We would not take it and Dak refuses to tuck and run. This team is going to do this every time we play them..

If I'm the opposing defense ..I'd more than welcome you to dink n dunk and keep all short plays in front of us.

I don't want to worry about deeper plays getting behind our defense for the big splash plays
- ala Turpin's 28 yrd TD catch in deep corner end zone.

 

[quickccc]

heck yeah, they had 14 players in dakies face, nobody could survive that. All the offensive linemen were hurt and we were down to wide receivers blocking for dak.

We started our best five OL guys. They were not hurt prior to the game.
The only guy that got nicked was center Tyler Biadasz and he returned to the game

there were several times where the protection was there - but Dak just held the ball
before the water dam finally broke thru to hit him or sack him.

But what's next .. blame the refs ?

 

[Captain-Crash]

We started our best five OL guys. They were not hurt prior to the game.
The only guy that got nicked was center Tyler Biadasz and he returned to the game

there were several times where the protection was there - but Dak just held the ball
before the water dam finally broke thru to hit him or sack him.

But what's next .. blame the refs ?

yeah, I think all the wide receivers ran the wrong routes. Cook should have jumped higher to get the sideline perfect pass.

 

[Runwildboys]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

Isn't the point of this offense to get the ball out faster? Sounds like a good idea in theory, but that requires a QB who can do it, not one who doesn't seem to know what he's looking at.

 

[glimmerman]

If I'm the opposing defense ..I'd more than welcome you to dink n dunk and keep all short plays in front of us.

I don't want to worry about deeper plays getting behind our defense for the big splash plays
- ala Turpin's 28 yrd TD catch in deep corner end zone.

You take the short passes and bring the defense up. Then you can go over the top easier. Or take the YAC.

 

[blueblood70]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

Yeah but what are they supposed to do??

if that does happen it's the same offense are you saying the play calls are gonna change the offense?? if it's still the Texas coast offense then how is schottenheimer going to be any better it's not the in game play calling if that's the playbook?? they need to change the playbook or take a bunch of those out ?? I mean, I don't know.​

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I mean I have no answer but I do know this we got to stop just blaming the offense when the defense sucks,​

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I mean they sucked balls last night again like they did in Arizona and all that come and find most of the poster about the offense look yeah they had three turnovers a game was already decided.... I mean anybody wants to blame Prescott for that it's ridiculous he was forcing the ball yeah, he had nowhere to go nobody was open, he got frustrated and tried to just throw it and hoe the payer fought for the ball.​

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so, I guess that's what you're talking about nobody's getting open, is it the receivers or the offense ?? is it the routes again? because we were blaming this on Kellen Moore and now he's gone and our receivers are still not getting separation... I mean I've never seen guys so covered as in these two losses where the quarterback has nowhere to go and no time to throw it...​

Where is the run game I mean I heard a lot about schottenheimer 's you know formations and schemes hard to tell whether there's runs or passes because they're real basic but they run a lot out of them so they all look alike so that way the defense is fooled I'm going to tell you something Tony Pollard looks like trash for a $10 million player, they're using him wrong... I mean literally the yards per carry is horrible that's what we called washed we're not seeing any big explosive plays no long plays he's not looking like his old self and had nothing to do with the injury it's the offense he should not be being used as the number one you want to call him the starter, that's fine... you give him the most carries that's fine but the most carries mean he should have 14 somebody else should have 13 somebody else should have eight but we need to do something else with the run game..​

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this is the common theme against the 49ers and then that one playoff game against the Rams there is no run game at all its pathetic. You cannot be one-dimensional against these defenses they literally can stop you with four men they can get pressure with those same four men, so then what they do on the backside is cover everyone up it literally gets to the quarterback and then the quarterback looks up and everybody's covered so he has to dump it down..​

I'd like to get the bottom of it as well,

is it the players have they not adapted to the offense is it the offense itself?? like the actual playbook or is it the play caller, I mean I wish I had the answer!

I mean I'd be willing to do anything but what are we going to do with the defense now I mean is there a threat I missed I'm going to go look but the defense has looked horrible in the two losses as well so leaning back to the offense is just spinning your wheels...

we can fix the offense to be more like it was with Kellen Moore, so it could be higher scoring wait you're still going to lose games if your defense can't stop these guys they look at a place and all the penalties they look undisciplined I mean I thought that's what Dan Quinn's thing was these guys were supposed to be focused and locked in and I don't see it..

But I'm with you on this I hope there is some kind of closed door meetings and some discussions about changing a lot of it defense and offense something is amiss here because hey I feel like they're playing hero ball they're playing for the big plays...

they're playing like the Rangers were, the Texas Rangers led almost the entire season they were in first place in the West and all of a sudden they were swinging for the fences every game they lost the lead they lost a division for a little while and then they started playing small ball and they started getting runs getting people on base doing all the small things and they crawled their way back into the playoff race and missed it by 1 game to win the division but they look better in the playoffs since they reestablish their identity and stop trying to do just home runs..

So I don't know there was somebody on the radio today by the way that we're breaking down the game and they said CD lamb was hanging his head and he looked like on the routes that he knew he wasn't getting the ball he would come off the line at half speed and it was obvious to the defense it wasn't going to him, he was basically giving them a tell and then whenever he came off real strong the ball was going to him.. now if that's the case that needs to be fixed these dudes need to be coming off the ball like they're getting it and that they're going to run a nine round every time because if they look different and it's a tale I mean that's a big problem but I think he's upset he's not getting the ball more so when the play is not going to him he basically jogs off the line and that's something that Amari Cooper used to do he used to drive me crazy..

So yeah maybe a meeting a come to Jesus for the whole entire team about this type of stuff that they need more effort they need to play harder and be accountable for each other because just trying to get sacks in big plays and get the big hit I mean they're lining up offsides they're grabbing face masks or hitting people so yeah this is the defense too it's all of it I would like to know the answers as well...

Sorry for the ramble this is my first post since the game cause I'm pretty angry still I'm I'm pretty irritated I wasn't going to post till tomorrow but here it is...