Turn play calling duties over to OC Schottenheimer

[glimmerman]

Dak took the dump offs the niners blew them up.. they sat on them all night that was the problem... no time to go down field and no space to YAC..then the desperation sets in and bingo Dak INT's incomming.

I didn’t see too many dump offs.

 

[blueblood70]

Despite the Dak issues and INTs, he is still your guy, still the QB organization is committed to, still scheme to what he does best .. and what he does not do.

Dolphins QB Tua threw 2 INTs vs NYG, one returned for a TD, but the coaches did not shut Tua down, go into a scared shell to play conservative.

And let's be frank, the Jones' will want a play caller coach who they feel should bring out the best in Dak, not the worse, not playing scared, and not limiting him,.. they have to know if they have that kind of HC, play caller for Dak.

Yeah but all of Prescott's interceptions in both games the one in Arizona and last night it was literally the game was already decided there was nowhere to go with the football and he was just trying to make plays yes he forced them in there it's like he just didn't give a **** anymore literally just said **** and just sent it because he was frustrated wouldn't you be nobody's open all game there was rarely any space.. There was no run game no run support it was like very obvious the more and more we got down because of the bad defense as well because of the penalties mostly your wits were on the deep end it literally you have a quarterback seeing the game pretty much out of hand just about done and not a lot of a way to come back when you got nobody getting open you can't even play that wide open garbage time football because nobody was open you literally had no time to throw nobody was open and there was no run game I mean it was just a bad game again in all phases the receivers weren't getting open the running backs weren't getting yards obviously had something to do with the trenches and we weren't getting to their quarterback we couldn't stop their run it looked like the Arizona game except they had better fires so they ran it up damn pair of stuff they just took our soul and they ripped off our head and **** down our necks..

I I hope this was the most embarrassing feeling they can get cause the Arizona game they said it was kind of a shock it was an outlier but this one they had their soul ripped out and they said feel bad about it but the whole team coaching play calling I mean literally wasn't a lot of positive stuff going on that we could say Oh well we could just clean up one thing and we're gonna be OK no this needs to be a yard sale type meeting behind closed doors for all the entire team and coaching players the front office the GM they need to come to Jesus moment and talk about this and yes if they need to make changes they need to make it now how can you have some of these veterans lining up a yard off sides and not know it I mean I I realize every now and again you could just jump off sides cause you get anxious or you you see a flinch when you got a guy lined up with his helmet a full yard like over the line of scrimmage and they not even know it I mean that's about focus and concentration everybody wants Dan Quinn to be the next coach here they don't want him to leave well you know what from what I've seen in Arizona and what I saw last year all the blown leads in the 200 yard rushing games he's as inconsistent as the offense they have these runs of greatness and then they lay eggs just like the offense..

 

[blueblood70]

I didn’t see too many dump offs.

Of course you didn't because they were sitting on them he threw a few and the dudes who caught him were getting their butts blown up I mean who wants to catch a two or three yard pass and then get hit like a freight train hit you

 

[Nova]

This is supposedly McCarthy's offense - not Schott.
I think Schott is just translating the X's and O's, that Mac wants his QB to hear and have.

thanks for the clarification

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah but what are they supposed to do??

if that does happen it's the same offense are you saying the play calls are gonna change the offense?? if it's still the Texas coast offense then how is schottenheimer going to be any better it's not the in game play calling if that's the playbook?? they need to change the playbook or take a bunch of those out ?? I mean, I don't know.​

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I mean I have no answer but I do know this we got to stop just blaming the offense when the defense sucks,​

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I mean they sucked balls last night again like they did in Arizona and all that come and find most of the poster about the offense look yeah they had three turnovers a game was already decided.... I mean anybody wants to blame Prescott for that it's ridiculous he was forcing the ball yeah, he had nowhere to go nobody was open, he got frustrated and tried to just throw it and hoe the payer fought for the ball.​

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so, I guess that's what you're talking about nobody's getting open, is it the receivers or the offense ?? is it the routes again? because we were blaming this on Kellen Moore and now he's gone and our receivers are still not getting separation... I mean I've never seen guys so covered as in these two losses where the quarterback has nowhere to go and no time to throw it...​

Where is the run game I mean I heard a lot about schottenheimer 's you know formations and schemes hard to tell whether there's runs or passes because they're real basic but they run a lot out of them so they all look alike so that way the defense is fooled I'm going to tell you something Tony Pollard looks like trash for a $10 million player, they're using him wrong... I mean literally the yards per carry is horrible that's what we called washed we're not seeing any big explosive plays no long plays he's not looking like his old self and had nothing to do with the injury it's the offense he should not be being used as the number one you want to call him the starter, that's fine... you give him the most carries that's fine but the most carries mean he should have 14 somebody else should have 13 somebody else should have eight but we need to do something else with the run game..​

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this is the common theme against the 49ers and then that one playoff game against the Rams there is no run game at all its pathetic. You cannot be one-dimensional against these defenses they literally can stop you with four men they can get pressure with those same four men, so then what they do on the backside is cover everyone up it literally gets to the quarterback and then the quarterback looks up and everybody's covered so he has to dump it down..​

I'd like to get the bottom of it as well,

is it the players have they not adapted to the offense is it the offense itself?? like the actual playbook or is it the play caller, I mean I wish I had the answer!

I mean I'd be willing to do anything but what are we going to do with the defense now I mean is there a threat I missed I'm going to go look but the defense has looked horrible in the two losses as well so leaning back to the offense is just spinning your wheels...

we can fix the offense to be more like it was with Kellen Moore, so it could be higher scoring wait you're still going to lose games if your defense can't stop these guys they look at a place and all the penalties they look undisciplined I mean I thought that's what Dan Quinn's thing was these guys were supposed to be focused and locked in and I don't see it..

But I'm with you on this I hope there is some kind of closed door meetings and some discussions about changing a lot of it defense and offense something is amiss here because hey I feel like they're playing hero ball they're playing for the big plays...

they're playing like the Rangers were, the Texas Rangers led almost the entire season they were in first place in the West and all of a sudden they were swinging for the fences every game they lost the lead they lost a division for a little while and then they started playing small ball and they started getting runs getting people on base doing all the small things and they crawled their way back into the playoff race and missed it by 1 game to win the division but they look better in the playoffs since they reestablish their identity and stop trying to do just home runs..

So I don't know there was somebody on the radio today by the way that we're breaking down the game and they said CD lamb was hanging his head and he looked like on the routes that he knew he wasn't getting the ball he would come off the line at half speed and it was obvious to the defense it wasn't going to him, he was basically giving them a tell and then whenever he came off real strong the ball was going to him.. now if that's the case that needs to be fixed these dudes need to be coming off the ball like they're getting it and that they're going to run a nine round every time because if they look different and it's a tale I mean that's a big problem but I think he's upset he's not getting the ball more so when the play is not going to him he basically jogs off the line and that's something that Amari Cooper used to do he used to drive me crazy..

So yeah maybe a meeting a come to Jesus for the whole entire team about this type of stuff that they need more effort they need to play harder and be accountable for each other because just trying to get sacks in big plays and get the big hit I mean they're lining up offsides they're grabbing face masks or hitting people so yeah this is the defense too it's all of it I would like to know the answers as well...

Sorry for the ramble this is my first post since the game cause I'm pretty angry still I'm I'm pretty irritated I wasn't going to post till tomorrow but here it is...

They looked like the same team as played in cards game. No emotion and no spark. Never moved Parsons around. No adjustments. First game we have our complete O-Line together at the same time. And it looked like it. Not gelled yet.

 

[Creeper]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

Yeah, I am ready for this change as well. But it is more than that. Getting the ball down the field means the QB has to make good throws and good decisions. Dak threw 15 INTs last year. I think McCarthy thought his offense would reduce that but in a game like last night where they had to throw the INTs were back. At the end of the day you need to the players to execute, and Dak is regressing every year he plays with Dallas.

 

[blueblood70]

They looked like the same team as played in cards game. No emotion and no spark. Never moved Parsons around. No adjustments. First game we have our complete O-Line together at the same time. And it looked like it. Not gelled yet.

i mean it didn't last very long. tylerB when out of the game for a very long stretch.... i don't think much has anything to do with gelling... although they're part of the problem there's no run game.. sometimes just a four man line is pressuring the quarterback and stopping the running back... they're just getting their butts kicked THE TEAM needs to play better, they need to play harder each of them needs to have accountability....

ohh please don't blame the coaches for not moving payers or putting them in better spots...THEY just were not getting their jobs done... i don't think any of the coaches told them to jump offsides or get 2 late hit or FM penalties, over 50 yards on just on the defensive players... yes, the team is out of sync, the team needs to get it fixed we started 3-5 in 2018 and turned it around...

so i imagine with a trade or some changes here or there, whatever adjustments, we can easily get back on track.

 

[glimmerman]

Of course you didn't because they were sitting on them he threw a few and the dudes who caught him were getting their butts blown up I mean who wants to catch a two or three yard pass and then get hit like a freight train hit you

Everyone was getting blown up except them. We didn’t show much on our side.

 

[blueblood70]

We started our best five OL guys. They were not hurt prior to the game.
The only guy that got nicked was center Tyler Biadasz and he returned to the game

there were several times where the protection was there - but Dak just held the ball
before the water dam finally broke thru to hit him or sack him.

But what's next .. blame the refs ?

he held the ball because nobody WAS OPEN MOST OF THE NIGHT, excusing him of just being afraid to throw it ef that noise i watched offense that couldn't run or get open, that on the OL and the scheme, play caller, before the qb is mentioned? it happened in AZ as well no where to throw , separation like last year is nill most plays.

i watched the game too literally everybody was covered most plays, i mean covered well. sometimes it was just literally playing man over our guys with one guy one on one. heck i even saw Brandin cooks get covered by a linebacker and get covered up. ...that shouldn't happen.

please stop the nonsense that our qb holds it too long for no reason, even with a bad pass rush win rate last year sacks were low and our offsne was humming most games scring alot like the year before as well..

so that's not the issue if he looks downfield &nobody open, what he's supposed to do? right he's waiting on somebody to com.... to run on that defense even from him, right even our running backs couldn't run but you want our quarterback to run? there wasn't many options and he finally got frustrated and forced some long after the game was all but over. same in az just forced that late one because well why not it was all but over lets give a player a shot to make play...

i'd be pretty frustrated as a quarterback no run game, pressure from a 4-5 man rush, and nobody getting open most plays. have bigger problems than quarterback... if you watch the same game i watched there was a lot of issues by all phases..

 

[glimmerman]

i mean it didn't last very long. tylerB when out of the game for a very long stretch.... i don't think much has anything to do with gelling... although they're part of the problem there's no run game.. sometimes just a four man line is pressuring the quarterback and stopping the running back... they're just getting their butts kicked THE TEAM needs to play better, they need to play harder each of them needs to have accountability....

ohh please don't blame the coaches for not moving payers or putting them in better spots...THEY just were not getting their jobs done... i don't think any of the coaches told them to jump offsides or get 2 late hit or FM penalties, over 50 yards on just on the defensive players... yes, the team is out of sync, the team needs to get it fixed we started 3-5 in 2018 and turned it around...

so i imagine with a trade or some changes here or there, whatever adjustments, we can easily get back on track.

They just seemed flat. Parsons came all night seemingly from the same spot. Threw it right over him to a wide open player. Can’t figure out why he wasn’t playing LB on some plays. He can blow up the run from there but as a pass rusher they run at him. I heard he was saying kittle was holding him, I haven’t looked at the game again and don’t think I will.

I am just going to vent and let it go. They needed to play harder. And this was a game I thought they would be up for. Should have been much closer. Was a team loss. But we know all we will hear is the 3 picks by Dak. Yes he had a bad game but he was pressured all night. Rush or Lance would have been worse.

 

[Zman5]

Whoever is the play caller needs to make sure Dak isn't used like a pure pocket passer. They need to have him run a little and have him throw on the run. Have more plays where we move the pocket and more boot legs. He can't just sit back in the pocket and try to find open receiver.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

When your QB can't make any of the throws . You get what we are watching . Its time to change up the QB from the slow, off the mark , baffled and lost one we currently run out

 

[tomsanders921]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

I don't think it's the play caller. It's the QB. As long as Dak is throwing the ball, it won't matter who is calling the plays.

If the first read isn't there, he panics and doesn't know what to do.

 

[tm1119]

This “Texas Coast” offense is clearly a step back into the stone ages of football. Zero creativity and zero willingness to take chances. Watching a Shannahan/McDaniel offense and watching the Cowboys is almost like watching 2 different sports.

I get that Dak could very well fail and lose games by throwing down field, but this scheme isn’t even giving him or the offense as a whole a chance to succeed from the jump. Maybe Dak is broken and has regressed, but he did lead a top 10 regular season offense 5 times in his career. The idea that McCarthy had to dumb this offense back down to 1998 never made sense.

I don’t even like the idea of giving Dak the scheme excuse honestly. Let him sink or swim once and for all running an actual modern day NFL offense.

 

[blueblood70]

They just seemed flat. Parsons came all night seemingly from the same spot. Threw it right over him to a wide open player. Can’t figure out why he wasn’t playing LB on some plays. He can blow up the run from there but as a pass rusher they run at him. I heard he was saying kittle was holding him, I haven’t looked at the game again and don’t think I will.

I am just going to vent and let it go. They needed to play harder. And this was a game I thought they would be up for. Should have been much closer. Was a team loss. But we know all we will hear is the 3 picks by Dak. Yes he had a bad game but he was pressured all night. Rush or Lance would have been worse.

Right that's why I was gonna avoid coming in here until for a couple days but then I figured what the hell I'm just gonna vent and get it over with..

 

[blueblood70]

This “Texas Coast” offense is clearly a step back into the stone ages of football. Zero creativity and zero willingness to take chances. Watching a Shannahan/McDaniel offense and watching the Cowboys is almost like watching 2 different sports.

I get that Dak could very well fail and lose games by throwing down field, but this scheme isn’t even giving him or the offense as a whole a chance to succeed from the jump. Maybe Dak is broken and has regressed, but he did lead a top 10 regular season offense 5 times in his career. The idea that McCarthy had to dumb this offense back down to 1998 never made sense.

I don’t even like the idea of giving Dak the scheme excuse honestly. Let him sink or swim once and for all running an actual modern day NFL offense.

I don't know what you mean might it fail they had the number one offense twice the number two offense once and those numbers were humming last year even when he came back from a broken hand when we were the highest scoring team in the league and dropped 40 points on the Eagles... I mean that was Prescott correct and that was with not as good a receiver core... So so yeah something's wrong but they say Prescott can't run a wide open offense where have you been??

 

[quickccc]

They looked like the same team as played in cards game. No emotion and no spark. Never moved Parsons around. No adjustments. First game we have our complete O-Line together at the same time. And it looked like it. Not gelled yet.

But I saw Parsons being moved around, DLaw was actually at right end maybe a couple of times
while Parsons was at left end.
Even saw Micah up the middle a couple of times.
Niners OL and TEs just did a damn good job of blocking him.

And he's just not gonna get much success vs Trent Williams. Dude is 35 years of age, and
still performing at such a high level.

 

[visionary]

It's not just overreaction Monday for me. I've thought and wondered about this "Texas Coast Offense " since
the 2nd game of the season.

I'm not impressed with this McCarthy Tex Coast offense - in fact I hate it !
It is so uninspiring ! - it does not go for the throat kill of opposing defenses.
it does not threaten and pushes defenses. It does not emphasize speed and splash plays.
This Dink n Dunk actually plays into the hands of what defenses more prefer you to do.

- You do not trade for and acquire a speedy WR like Brandin Cooks to have a dink n dunk offense.

- No deep middle seams, ..not over the top,. no bunch formations.,. no rub routes, flat routes and dump offs.
If it's McCarthy being scared of Dak Prescott's possible turnovers, then McCarthy is Not the right guy for Dak.
And it's time to try a new and different direction with the coaches.

- Do not be surprised if the Jones' have privat- behind closed doors meetings with McCarthy . and " insist' that
he turn over the full play calling duties to OC Brian Schottenhemeir - in an effort to jump start big splash plays
and speed emphasis in our offense.

- With Seattle Seahawks, Schott as OC, Russell Wilson was always slinging and pushing the ball vertically
and downfield to Metcalf, Lockett.
That's something is Not happening, won't happen with McCarthy's Dink n Dunk offense.

Changes nothing absolutely
When will delusional fans of this team admit that football is about duscipline and physicality
In football efective offenses establish the run so theyre not one dimensional. We dont have a run game with this garbage set of TBs. The starting RB needs to be shifty but also physical so he can get those tough yards. Pollard is not that and then your back is complete trash in Dowdle abd Vaughn

That needs to be the starting point. Get a real RB, create that mindset in your OL of smash mouth football then you have an offense that can travel.

 

[Creeper]

Dak took the dump offs the niners blew them up.. they sat on them all night that was the problem... no time to go down field and no space to YAC..then the desperation sets in and bingo Dak INT's incomming.

The way the 49ers LBs can move trying to do something underneath is a waste of time. You have to get the ball down the field. The Rams racked up 300 yards passing against the 49ers and that was without Kupp. Stafford was throwing the ball down field and making the 49ers DBs cover. That is not their strength.

 

[visionary]

But I saw Parsons being moved around, DLaw was actually at right end maybe a couple of times
while Parsons was at left end.
Even saw Micah up the middle a couple of times.
Niners OL and TEs just did a damn good job of blocking him.

And he's just not gonna get much success vs Trent Williams. Dude is 35 years of age, and
still performing at such a high level.

LOL, another simple basic fact : Parsons cannot hold up as DE and is easily blocked and wears down. Hes a LB. He insists on playing DE only be paid like one next year. Hes costing the team. Some adult needs to talk to him but we dont have any adults in this frsnchise leadership and stupid fans who wonder “why does Parsons disappear?”

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