Turpin as WR 2 or 3

If this group is the WR group come September than this offense will be middle of the pack at best. And if Lamb misses any games it will be a bottom five offense.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Two things can be true here....Turpin is an excellent offensive weapon, but I think we also see value in a less is more approach with him.

Between the Campbell signing and Blue getting drafted I I'm not sure if we should expect to see more touches from Turpin this season. Hes probably a 10ish snap guy once again would be my guess. The Cowboys have guys on the roster who can steal his snaps at RB, and competition for those slot snaps is very real.
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We sure that even makes the team?? Campbell
 
Coogiguy03 said:
We sure that even makes the team?? Campbell
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Probably depends on if they bring in another WR or not before camp. Right now you probably have roster spots locked up in Mingo, Lamb, Tolbert, Turpin so that probably leaves 2 more spots available and Campbell should be a favorite to get one of them. If they bring in a vet before camp though it would make for some very tough competition for that last spot, and honestly the Cowboys may prefer to go with a younger guy with some long term upside
 
Pass2Run said:
How many targets did Lamb take away from him tho?
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Fair point, but I don't think its as much of a factor as we think. Lamb is a target hog at 146 last year, but the Cowboys were also 3rd in the league in total pass attempts and other #2 guys are seeing high target shares to the top guys as well.

Here are some other high target #1s where the #2 targets are still getting their share of catches and yards....I left out some of the top guys just because of roster moves, for example Davante Adams messes up both LV and NYJ receiving numbers.
  • Chase - 171 targets
    • Higgins 73/911/10 (12 games played)
  • Nabers - 165
    • Robinson 93/699/3 (17 games)
  • Jefferson - 150
    • Addison 63/875/9 (15 games)
  • St Brown - 138
    • Williams - 58/1001/7 (15 games)
  • DJ Moore - 137
    • Allen - 70/744/7 (15 games)
  • JSN - 133
    • Metcalf - 66/992/5 (15 games)
  • Brown - 95 (13 games)
    • Smith - 68/833/8
  • Hill - 121
    • Smith 88/886/8
  • Lamb - 146
    • Tolbert 49/610/7 (17 games)
 
DuncanIso said:
Mingo has sub 4.5 speed. 4.46

22 bench presses.
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We got 2.9ypt out of Mingo last year.
He's never cracked 5ypt any year of his career.

Maybe he turns it around, but I'm not counting on that one.
He's looking like a waste of a pick.
 
DuncanIso said:
Big Mike ignored him.
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He had a pretty good reason to ignore him though. Even so @buybuydandavis was using averages not counting numbers so usage isn't as big of a factor here.

For his career Mingo has 808 receiving snaps, 125 targets, 60 catches, 585 yards....so we have a decent sample size to go from where a few bad throws wont overly effect his numbers.

Thats a 48% completion percentage (Horrible), 15% target rate (better than horrible but not good), 7% catch per route ran (Horrible), and 0.72 yards per route ran (horrible)

From an efficiency standpoint hes been one of the worst WRs in football since his arrival in the league despite a physical profile that should allow him to dominate. We could argue bad QB play, but the film doesn't show a much better picture, and he was passed on the depth chart last year by Coker and Legette. Neither of those guys are exactly frontrunners for winning the MVP this year.

Any reasonable coaching staff is going to make Mingo show them that he can play before handing him many snaps.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
He had a pretty good reason to ignore him though. Even so @buybuydandavis was using averages not counting numbers so usage isn't as big of a factor here.

For his career Mingo has 808 receiving snaps, 125 targets, 60 catches, 585 yards....so we have a decent sample size to go from where a few bad throws wont overly effect his numbers.

Thats a 48% completion percentage (Horrible), 15% target rate (better than horrible but not good), 7% catch per route ran (Horrible), and 0.72 yards per route ran (horrible)

From an efficiency standpoint hes been one of the worst WRs in football since his arrival in the league despite a physical profile that should allow him to dominate. We could argue bad QB play, but the film doesn't show a much better picture, and he was passed on the depth chart last year by Coker and Legette. Neither of those guys are exactly frontrunners for winning the MVP this year.

Any reasonable coaching staff is going to make Mingo show them that he can play before handing him many snaps.
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I dont think half a season with a new team and a backup qb is anywhere enough time to give anyone a shot at an accurate analysis.

Mingo was drafted high bc of his potential and carolina failed to develop him, let's see what he can do with a full offseason and a starting qb
 
I don't trust Turpin as the WR2. I don't think he has great hands and I worry he will fumble teh ball if he catches the ball in traffic.

At this point I think they need to give the opportunity to Mingo and Tolbert and see if either player can emerge as a quality WR2. This is the price to be paid for not addressing the issue in free agency or the draft.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
I remember the fly routes Dallas tried with Turpin last year when both Dak and Rush threw absolute dimes....that were incomplete. Turpin is barely 5'7 and the corners of today are just too big and fast to use him that way. You're not going to get the ball over the head of a 6 foot to 6'2 corner to drop it into Turp's bread basket.

Turpin needs to be used on deep slants and crosses where he can separate from the defender laterally. He's a gadget player and not a true number two receiver.
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Turpin has to get some separation deep for deep balls to work, but he certainly has the speed for it.

Short guys with smalls hands on slants is asking for tips and INTs. Send him over the top and if he gets over the top, lead him beyond the defense.
 
Jipper said:
I dont think half a season with a new team and a backup qb is anywhere enough time to give anyone a shot at an accurate analysis.

Mingo was drafted high bc of his potential and carolina failed to develop him, let's see what he can do with a full offseason and a starting qb
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I would agree, but the argument from the previous poster was that Mingo didnt get used enough last season. The potential is there for the kid, but he needs to prove he can play first. His first two years in the league he's not shown that, and shouldn't just be handed playing time in my opinion when we have better options in guys like Tolbert/Turpin.

If Mingo goes off in camp and shows significant improvement I'll be the first to pound the table for him because the ceiling is certainly there.....but we need to see it first. He is one of those guys that reminds me of the old quote "Your potential is gonna get me fired kid."
 
buybuydandavis said:
Turpin has to get some separation deep for deep balls to work, but he certainly has the speed for it.

Short guys with smalls hands on slants is asking for tips and INTs. Send him over the top and if he gets over the top, lead him beyond the defense.
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Good breakdown. Turpin absolutely has a role on this offense, but we can't ignore his physical limitations either. Hes a guy who is spectacular in certain areas, but doesn't do enough well to truly get regular reps at WR.
 
Pass2Run said:
He did a lot with the reps he had last year. So give him more reps..... I feel like, right now, Jalen Tolbert might be better than the available options in FA. I also feel like Turpin can be a 2 or at least 3. He's really improved as a player. His next leap would have to be refining his route running. But I truly feel our starting lineup can be Lamb, Tolbert and Turpin. It has the potential to be a lethal combination if both Tolbert and Turpin can reach their highest potential. Like they may not be the tallest or biggest. But the potential for them to be one of the best trios in the league is there if the staff can maximize these players.
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Let’s put it this way, should CeeDee go down can Turpin be your number 1? Of course not… and that is why your WR2 needs to be more able and ready to step in. Turpin is what he is… an outstanding KR and PR.. maybe best in the league. And able to use on special receiver packages with slants, screens, sweeps etc,

Dallas true WR2 is not on the roster… the rest are jags. The current UDFA not included since I haven’t seen them play yet. We shall see. But I’m on the Bond train. The guy got speed, decent size, gets separation, great hands and the stage is not too big for him. Would complement CeeDee very well. Do it Jerry!!
 
America's Cowboy said:
Turpin is too short to be a major WR weapon. His lack of height and weight (5'9", 152 lbs) is what keeps him at only receiving 5-10 passing snaps on offense.
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Turpin should be used like Cole Beasley was used, in the short passing game. Turpin adds another element though he has elite speed after a few short routes ,have him do a double move and hit him deep. Speed kills use it.
 
deerhunter11 said:
Turpin should be used like Cole Beasley was used, in the short passing game. Turpin adds another element though he has elite speed after a few short routes ,have him do a double move and hit him deep. Speed kills use it.
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Interesting thought but I think the skill sets between those two players is completely different. Beasley was simply a master short route runner with insanely good short area bust. I really can't remember another player who could move his shoulder and feet and it look like two different people controlling his body to just make DBs look clueless. Turpin is just a different type of animal with more elite straight line speed and elusiveness once he gets going. You can still do some things with him on short yardage situations, but I think it looks a lot different than what it did with Beasley.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
He had a pretty good reason to ignore him though. Even so @buybuydandavis was using averages not counting numbers so usage isn't as big of a factor here.

For his career Mingo has 808 receiving snaps, 125 targets, 60 catches, 585 yards....so we have a decent sample size to go from where a few bad throws wont overly effect his numbers.

Thats a 48% completion percentage (Horrible), 15% target rate (better than horrible but not good), 7% catch per route ran (Horrible), and 0.72 yards per route ran (horrible)

From an efficiency standpoint hes been one of the worst WRs in football since his arrival in the league despite a physical profile that should allow him to dominate. We could argue bad QB play, but the film doesn't show a much better picture, and he was passed on the depth chart last year by Coker and Legette. Neither of those guys are exactly frontrunners for winning the MVP this year.

Any reasonable coaching staff is going to make Mingo show them that he can play before handing him many snaps.
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Carolina
 
Turpin needs a QB who can throw with anticipation: Right now he'd get open but when the ball arrived, it'd be a ontested catch or he'd be unalived as a defenseless receiver.
 
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