Turpin "Guys don't have to think in McCarthy's offense. They just go out and play fast."

basel90

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Why not? You guys brought up Eli and now your saying don't compare him? Silly argument don't you think?

Eli sucks. He benefited from a great defense and a little luck. But go ahead and worship him. This is the Cowboys forum. Maybe you should go and root for the Giants.
As a cowboys fan you should not be happy with mediocrity. A Qb can suffer through some bad complimentary team talent . Dak has had the goo and the bad and came out mediocre. Eli is not a legendary talent but he made the difference when it mattered . Dak has not . The margin is smalll between winners and non winners as you can probably see .
8 years and counting with Dak ….
 

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Maybe he should practice securing the ball instead of the flips it would help.
 

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Here is my understanding: Under Kellen, the team ran option routes. As the WR was going out, he would read the defense and adjust his route accordingly. Dak obviously had to make 3 reads, pre-snap, post snap confirmation and then once he chose a receiver, read which route option he was going to take. Many of the interceptions last year were situations where the WR and QB made different route option reads.

This year, the team isn't running option routes. The WR's just go out and run their play. Dak still has a pre snap read and post snap read but once he picks a receiver, he knows which way the guy is going.

I don't know how many teams in the NFL use WR option routes.

I see the pro's and con's of both systems. The new system is certainly less prone to error but you are going to get more situations where the receiver runs into coverage instead of out of it. This is going to make Dak's pre and post snap reads MORE important but take away the third read.
 

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Here is my understanding: Under Kellen, the team ran option routes. As the WR was going out, he would read the defense and adjust his route accordingly. Dak obviously had to make 3 reads, pre-snap, post snap confirmation and then once he chose a receiver, read which route option he was going to take. Many of the interceptions last year were situations where the WR and QB made different route option reads.

This year, the team isn't running option routes. The WR's just go out and run their play. Dak still has a pre snap read and post snap read but once he picks a receiver, he knows which way the guy is going.

I don't know how many teams in the NFL use WR option routes.

I see the pro's and con's of both systems. The new system is certainly less prone to error but you are going to get more situations where the receiver runs into coverage instead of out of it. This is going to make Dak's pre and post snap reads MORE important but take away the third read.
Yes, saw it many times, especially with CeeDee and Dak. This is an old article but a good read explaining the situation. Patriots offense did this a lot but sometimes backfired. Even with great receivers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shut...why-drive-receivers-crazy-233247212--nfl.html

I have mixed feelings about this too. But I think as a coach your ultimate job is to install whatever works best for your team and its strengths and opportunities. There is no right way or wrong way. Ultimately, mistake-free ball is what wins the game so give your offense the best shot to win. ESPECIALLY when you know you have a shutdown defense. Why make it more complicated than it has to be?
 

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Yes, saw it many times, especially with CeeDee and Dak. This is an old article but a good read explaining the situation. Patriots offense did this a lot but sometimes backfired. Even with great receivers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shut...why-drive-receivers-crazy-233247212--nfl.html

I have mixed feelings about this too. But I think as a coach your ultimate job is to install whatever works best for your team and its strengths and opportunities. There is no right way or wrong way. Ultimately, mistake-free ball is what wins the game so give your offense the best shot to win. ESPECIALLY when you know you have a shutdown defense. Why make it more complicated than it has to be?
Great article. I think a few zoners should read it because I get the impression that a few people don't understand the depth that NFL teams go in coming up with play options.

To add to this, I think that people really underestimated what Aikman and Irvin were doing back in the day. They both had the same read options. Irvin would read the defense and cut. Aikman would read it separately and throw right as he cut WITHOUT POSITIVELY KNOWING WHICH DIRECTION HE WAS GOING and still hit him right in the hands.
 

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Nope…..that’s not what it’s saying. Its just PR cleanup at this point

Jerry and MM officially said, Dak will have less pre-read thinking, less post-read thinking , and more dump offs .

a Rose by any other name still smells like boo-boo
If you think about it, Dak was quite good at protecting the ball when it was dump offs his rookie year. Didn't hs break a record for most consecutive passes without a INT? Wouldn't that play to his strengths?

I don't know. I just watch the games.
 

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If you think about it, Dak was quite good at protecting the ball when it was dump offs his rookie year. Didn't hs break a record for most consecutive passes without a INT? Wouldn't that play to his strengths?

I don't know. I just watch the games.
If we want a quarterback to execute dump offs and other high percentage passes why did we feel the need to pay 40million a year for that simple quality?…….hell, even Cooper Rush can dump the ball off.

He was given a huge contract at the time to be exceptional…….not mediocre with a dumbed down playbook and he should be PROGRESSING .

I don’t know either. I just watch the games in which our offense was regrettably inconsistent last year.
 

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If we want a quarterback to execute dump offs and other high percentage passes why did we feel the need to pay 40million a year for that simple quality?…….hell, even Cooper Rush can dump the ball off.

He was given a huge contract at the time to be exceptional…….not mediocre with a dumbed down playbook and he should be PROGRESSING .

I don’t know either. I just watch the games in which our offense was regrettably inconsistent last year.
:huh: :facepalm:
 

chagus

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If we want a quarterback to execute dump offs and other high percentage passes why did we feel the need to pay 40million a year for that simple quality?…….hell, even Cooper Rush can dump the ball off.

He was given a huge contract at the time to be exceptional…….not mediocre with a dumbed down playbook and he should be PROGRESSING .

I don’t know either. I just watch the games in which our offense was regrettably inconsistent last year.
Playing to Daks strengths is just good coaching. Thats what I would do. But... what I do know?
 
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