Two things Romo can learn from Orton

[johnson2]

if changing the play at the line and snapping with no time left on playclock results in 31td and 10int i dont really see where the problem lies

 

[FiveRings]

Totally with you on two, those are two, identifiable things that Orton did well. But overall, Romo can learn some patience from Orton. Romo's biggest downfall is trying to do too much on his own, sometimes it results in a pretty play, but sometimes it also results in a disaster. On the other hand, Orton's biggest strength is reading the defense and taking what they give him--not trying to do too much.

 

[Proximo]

I think you're exaggerating a play clock issue with Romo.

I also bet Romo typically has more freedom to make plays than was given to Orton.

Recency bias. I get it.

But you're way off base here.

Not only that, but it's completely ridiculous to make these generalizations about Romo vs Orton after seeing ONLY ONE full regular season game with Orton as the QB. Absolutely silly to draw all these conclusions about Romo, the coaching staff, other players, etc, based on ONE performance.

 

[Zordon]

I wish people would stop comparing Romo to the best (and smartest) quarterback to ever play the game.

Romo is no Peyton Manning? NO WAY? News at 11!

And again if Orton was not allowed the freedom to audible of course he gets the play call and goes out and snaps the ball. I sure wish he would have changed some of those 1 yard pass plays to Witten on 3rd and long. Romo was not throwing 1 yard passes on erd and long.

As to your hard count nonsense. I'm assuming you think that the Eagles were the first team to jump offsides against the Cowboys all season? You'd be wrong.

We can't compare him to Peyton b/c he's the GOAT.

We can't compare him to Orton b/c he's running a remedial dumbed down version of the offense.

What can we compare him to? Are you saying his situation is sooooo unique that the pre-snap confusion is acceptable. You're running around in circles chasing your tail trying to defend this guy.

 

[5Stars]

Not even a little off base. Tony has always struggled with getting the ball snapped way too late. He always runs the clock down to nothing before calling for the ball. It hurts more than it helps. It puts a rush on the play that doesn't need to be there, and gives the defense an instant advantage. In the pre season even JJ and JG said they were working on snapping the ball faster. They did for about three weeks. Until Tony started thinking too much and calling more audibles. He's just not smart enough to have as much freedom as he got. He more than proved that. He gets sacked or he has to do the Romo escapes way too much. Part of the reason why is because defenses key on his pathetic use of the play clock and snap counts. When there are no seconds left on the play clock guess what? The defense gets a running start to come right at him. That doesn't take genius to figure out, it's common sense.

JJ and his trainee are the ones who started the Manning comparisons. We all know that was a horrible comparison, but our owner and GM made it...

Orton played the game very well until the last offensive play. Could it have been better? Yes. Is he our answer? No!! But he proved he could manage the game as well if not better than a guy who stole 100+ million from the franchise..

Let me get this straight OK bro?

Are you saying that because Romo let's the clock run down to the 5 second mark is why the Cowboys finished 8-8?

Now I get it! You might be on to something.

 

[Risen Star]

I have seen Romo hard count his cadence. Do I remember exactly when and where? No, but it has happened. Plenty of times, actually.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Totally with you on two, those are two, identifiable things that Orton did well. But overall, Romo can learn some patience from Orton. Romo's biggest downfall is trying to do too much on his own, sometimes it results in a pretty play, but sometimes it also results in a disaster. On the other hand, Orton's biggest strength is reading the defense and taking what they give him--not trying to do too much.

Orton is the opposite of patient. He makes quick reads because he is a statue and has the slowest release this side of Kaepernick. Its a survival tool, not a strength.

 

[Risen Star]

If it seems like I may have an axe to grind with Zordon, I do. This guy is a likes machine and it's really pissing me off.

 

[noshame]

I swear Romo, his wife, kid, and relatives all post here.

 

[5Stars]

if changing the play at the line and snapping with no time left on playclock results in 31td and 10int i dont really see where the problem lies

It's not a problem, bro. It's just finding a way to trash the QB. All fans want the backup to be better than the starter.

However, they should thank their Cowboy Stars that Orton did not have to play the whole season! That might have changed their minds about the "snap count". smh

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We can't compare him to Peyton b/c he's the GOAT.

We can't compare him to Orton b/c he's running a remedial dumbed down version of the offense.

What can we compare him to? Are you saying his situation is sooooo unique that the pre-snap confusion is acceptable. You're running around in circles chasing your tail trying to defend this guy.

Again. He doesn't do something as well as Peyton. That's your argument? Well you can say that about every starting QB in the league.

Orton wasn't doing much pre-snap audibiling. That was obvious to anyone watching the game. Did you watch the game?

We don't routinely have pre-snap confusion. This hasn't been an appreciable issue for anyone who watches the Cowboys. Did you watch the Cowboys?

We only had 17 false start penalties on the year. That's 3 more than Denver. But less than the Seahawks, Chiefs, 49ers, Falcons and Chargers to name a few teams. Do Wilson, Smith, Kaep, Ryan and Rivers have pre snap confusion? Do those qbs need to learn from Orton as well? Is 1 false snap per game represent pre snap confusion? Does the fact that 13 of our 17 false snaps happen on the road evidence that it's more a volume issue and not a Romo "doesn't have command of the huddle" issue?

You should stop.

 

[noshame]

Orton is the opposite of patient. He makes quick reads because he is a statue and has the slowest release this side of Kaepernick. Its a survival tool, not a strength.

Ahhh no, he makes quick reads because he can put the ball in a tight window, and not pull it down and wait for a drag route where the receiver is wide open. For a 3 yd gain.

 

[5Stars]

I have seen Romo hard count his cadence. Do I remember exactly when and where? No, but it has happened. Plenty of times, actually.

Find it, bro! $20.00 is still $20.00...plus...you get in in Paypal!

I have seen Romo hard snap also, and I am not going to go back and look at hundreds of games for a 20 spot.

Orton does it 1 or 2 time this game, and waa-laa....he's better than Romo!!

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I have seen Romo hard count his cadence. Do I remember exactly when and where? No, but it has happened. Plenty of times, actually.

Go to Paypal. Quick.

 

[5Stars]

If it seems like I may have an axe to grind with Zordon, I do. This guy is a likes machine and it's really pissing me off.

Zordon is just trying anything to discredit Romo for anything positive. But, don't let him get to you, bro. Romo is the team to him. The defense, the special teams, the coaches, the water boy, the front office....none of that can be the fault of the Cowboys. It's Romo or else...

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Ahhh no, he makes quick reads because he can put the ball in a tight window, and not pull it down and wait for a drag route where the receiver is wide open. For a 3 yd gain.

Maybe in the game that you fantasized about that happened. In the real game Orton checked down more than Romo had been. You better check the box score since as usual you didn't watch the game.

 

[5Stars]

Go to Paypal. Quick.

lmao!

(stupid cowboy woman fans)

 

[Chuck 54]

1. Did Orton have any issues managing the play clock? No he did not. I think that absolves Garrett and the supporting cast of blame for a multi-year problem here in Dallas, pre-snap confusion. They switched out the quarterbacks and the problem went away. Orton's cadence was strong, he was out of the huddle quickly, he communicated audibles clearly and effectively to the receivers and backs, he did not wait till the final seconds to point out the MIKE to the oline. Tony Romo is about to be 34 yrs old yet still has issues with all of this. We've blamed the coordinators, Garrett, supposedly "dumb" players like Marty B and Ogletree, but the issue has been Romo all along. I really hope he took notice while watching the game. His communication and command of the huddle still needs improvement after all of these years.

2. I'll paypal $20 to anyone on here who can remember the last time Romo used a hard cadence to get the dline to jump offsides. Orton did it twice early in the game and the Eagles linemen were on their heels for the rest of the game because of it and can be used as partial reasoning why the less mobile Kyle Orton was sacked zero times in that game. For as smart as some claim Romo to be, I'm baffled why he never uses a hard count to get the defense to jump. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it...what gives Tony?

You answered your own question....you can't go on a long or hard count when you are snapping the ball at 1-0 seconds. I have also argued that the DL and blitzers get great jumps when you snap the ball at 0 because they can tee off...there's no advantage to the OL...it's like telling the defense your snap count when 80% of the time you are snapping it just in time to avoid delay.

 

[coult44]

Let me get this straight OK bro?

Are you saying that because Romo let's the clock run down to the 5 second mark is why the Cowboys finished 8-8?

Now I get it! You might be on to something.

Stop, Mrs. Romo, At what part in my post did I say this is why we finished 8-8???? Uhhhhhhhhhhh, calm down. Geesh

And he doesn't snap th ball at 5 seconds, he snaps it at 2 or 1 seconds.

However its one of the reasons he has to improvise or falls down so much...It's one of the reasons he's always under pressure. It's one of the reasons he throws the ball away a lot. There is NO reasons to always snap the ball at the exact same time every single play. The whole confuse the defense talk is a lie.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Zordon is just trying anything to discredit Romo for anything positive. But, don't let him get to you, bro. Romo is the team to him. The defense, the special teams, the coaches, the water boy, the front office....none of that can be the fault of the Cowboys. It's Romo or else...

It was a double whammy for Romo haters. First, they were robbed of Romo getting an elimination loss that they could celebrate and be happy about. Instead Romo ended his season with a game winning TD. Then, they had to hitch their wagon to Orton leading us to the Super Bowl and stealing Romo's job. We see how that worked out. The final phase is to somehow make it seen like Orton played better despite turning in a solid but ordinary performance. We will be in that phase for the next 9 months.