Two things Romo can learn from Orton

[Zordon]

Again. He doesn't do something as well as Peyton. That's your argument? Well you can say that about every starting QB in the league.

Orton wasn't doing much pre-snap audibiling. That was obvious to anyone watching the game. Did you watch the game?

We don't routinely have pre-snap confusion. This hasn't been an appreciable issue for anyone who watches the Cowboys. Did you watch the Cowboys?

We only had 17 false start penalties on the year. That's 3 more than Denver. But less than the Seahawks, Chiefs, 49ers, Falcons and Chargers to name a few teams. Do Wilson, Smith, Kaep, Ryan and Rivers have pre snap confusion? Do those qbs need to learn from Orton as well? Is 1 false snap per game represent pre snap confusion? Does the fact that 13 of our 17 false snaps happen on the road evidence that it's more a volume issue and not a Romo "doesn't have command of the huddle" issue?

You should stop.

Yes, I watch the games but unlike you, I watch the game from the perspective of a Cowboy fan first, not a Romo fan like and the rest of the his stans on this board.

And I'm glad you know how to use profootball-reference.com. Unlike you I don't need that site. I probably watch as much football outside of the Cowboys than anyone on here. Is the pre-snap stuff unique to Romo? No. But he is the only one of the "elite" qbs that has this problem....year after year after year. and FYI false starts are only one aspect of this issue.

 

[mahoneybill]

Great post and you are absolutely correct. It is amazing that NFL coaches cannot see what you did. Is Wade Wilson still working as QB Coach? You never see the guy anymore. Maybe I am out of the loop and we have someone else.

Have always wondered what is so good about W . Wilson as a QB coach ?

 

[SDCowboy]

One thing Orton can learn from Romo: how to be one of the top QBs in the league for your entire playing career.

This pretty much slams the door on this thread.

 

[5Stars]

Stop, Mrs. Romo, At what part in my post did I say this is why we finished 8-8???? Uhhhhhhhhhhh, calm down. Geesh

And he doesn't snap th ball at 5 seconds, he snaps it at 2 or 1 seconds.

However its one of the reasons he has to improvise or falls down so much...It's one of the reasons he's always under pressure. It's one of the reasons he throws the ball away a lot. There is NO reasons to always snap the ball at the exact same time every single play. The whole confuse the defense talk is a lie.

Hey! I was agreeing with you. Romo does improvise to much and falls down all the time. (and people want to blame that on his back injury).

Plus, if Romo gets the ball off with say, 10 seconds on the clock, the pass rush that he gets would not happen. The defense would not know when to rush him with 10 seconds left on the clock.

You might actually be on something...what? I'm not sure.

 

[Zordon]

If it seems like I may have an axe to grind with Zordon, I do. This guy is a likes machine and it's really pissing me off.

I can take you on as an apprentice but it will require of you more Romo/Garrett bashing.

 

[Zordon]

Zordon is just trying anything to discredit Romo for anything positive. But, don't let him get to you, bro. Romo is the team to him. The defense, the special teams, the coaches, the water boy, the front office....none of that can

It was a double whammy for Romo haters. First, they were robbed of Romo getting an elimination loss that they could celebrate and be happy about. Instead Romo ended his season with a game winning TD. Then, they had to hitch their wagon to Orton leading us to the Super Bowl and stealing Romo's job. We see how that worked out. The final phase is to somehow make it seen like Orton played better despite turning in a solid but ordinary performance. We will be in that phase for the next 9 months.

be the fault of the Cowboys. It's Romo or else...

yep that's it ..the only thing we were robbed of was an opportunity in the playoffs. don't care about other conspiracy theories you romo stans come up with in your heads.

 

[5Stars]

I can take you on as an apprentice but it will require of you more Romo/Garrett bashing.

Can you help me out with the apprenticeship and tell me about the defense? Romo should have been able to overcome the worse defense in decades. I know Orton would have.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yes, I watch the games but unlike you, I watch the game from the perspective of a Cowboy fan first, not a Romo fan like and the rest of the his stans on this board.

And I'm glad you know how to use profootball-reference.com. Unlike you I don't need that site. I probably watch as much football outside of the Cowboys than anyone on here. Is the pre-snap stuff unique to Romo? No. But he is the only one of the "elite" qbs that has this problem....year after year after year. and FYI false starts are only one aspect of this issue.

And again we don't routinely have pre snap confusion. I provided evidence to the contrary. Your evidence appears to be "just trust me because I have watched football before and I know when there are issues."

No we won't trust you.

And considering this is how I watch football (and all sports)...i'd doubt you watch more of it than I do.

 

[5Stars]

yep that's it ..the only thing we were robbed of was an opportunity in the playoffs. don't care about other conspiracy theories you romo stans come up with in your heads.

Again with the cute "Romo stans"....stay cool. lmao

 

[coult44]

Hey! I was agreeing with you. Romo does improvise to much and falls down all the time. (and people want to blame that on his back injury).

Plus, if Romo gets the ball off with say, 10 seconds on the clock, the pass rush that he gets would not happen. The defense would not know when to rush him with 10 seconds left on the clock.

You might actually be on something...what? I'm not sure.

Sorry. Misread...

 

[5Stars]

Sorry. Misread...

What's new.....

lmao

 

[CrazyCowboy]

1. Did Orton have any issues managing the play clock? No he did not. I think that absolves Garrett and the supporting cast of blame for a multi-year problem here in Dallas, pre-snap confusion. They switched out the quarterbacks and the problem went away. Orton's cadence was strong, he was out of the huddle quickly, he communicated audibles clearly and effectively to the receivers and backs, he did not wait till the final seconds to point out the MIKE to the oline. Tony Romo is about to be 34 yrs old yet still has issues with all of this. We've blamed the coordinators, Garrett, supposedly "dumb" players like Marty B and Ogletree, but the issue has been Romo all along. I really hope he took notice while watching the game. His communication and command of the huddle still needs improvement after all of these years.

2. I'll paypal $20 to anyone on here who can remember the last time Romo used a hard cadence to get the dline to jump offsides. Orton did it twice early in the game and the Eagles linemen were on their heels for the rest of the game because of it and can be used as partial reasoning why the less mobile Kyle Orton was sacked zero times in that game. For as smart as some claim Romo to be, I'm baffled why he never uses a hard count to get the defense to jump. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it...what gives Tony?

In addition, I would like to see Romo run for the 1st down and slide when it looks wide open on 3 yds to go etc.......otherwise, I LOVE TONY ROMO!

 

[5Stars]

In addition, I would like to see Romo run for the 1st down and slide when it looks wide open on 3 yds to go etc.......otherwise, I LOVE TONY ROMO!

That is a good point. There were times when Romo had some running room for three or four yards. But, it is always better if you can get the ball to one of your playmakers if they are open.

 

[Zordon]

Can you help me out with the apprenticeship and tell me about the defense? Romo should have been able to overcome the worse defense in decades. I know Orton would have.

now what does this have to do with the thread title bro? you guys are so sensitive. can we stay on topic. i list two improvements and you take it as romo bashing. you'll know when i bash romo bro, this isn't it. there is no reason for you to bring up the defense, stay on topic. do you not notice an inordinate amount of pre-snap confusion with romo at the helm?

And again we don't routinely have pre snap confusion. I provided evidence to the contrary. Your evidence appears to be "just trust me because I have watched football before and I know when there are issues."

No we won't trust you.

And considering this is how I watch football (and all sports)...i'd doubt you watch more of it than I do.

that's not impressive. I have a similar setup, doesn't mean squat. fact is, i have a dozen people in here supporting my theory you have 2 or 3 people who have a history of putting romo above the team. you went from give reasoning why there is more pre-snap confusion (romo having more freedom) to googling stats and claiming it's not out of the ordinary. use two eyes, take off your romo shades and you'll notice a significant difference in how smoothly things were running pre-snap with orton at the helm. you'll notice it around the league.

 

[coult44]

What's new.....

lmao

Misreading ? Not too much...my names not Romo (hardee har har)

This coming from a former Romo apologist.

 

[5Stars]

---do you not notice an inordinate amount of pre-snap confusion with romo at the helm?

I saw some in some games this year. Romo and Fredrick did a pretty good job this past year.

---you'll notice it around the league.

Now I'm confused....

 

[Staubacher]

LOL at the"offense was run so much better without Romo".

The last game featured:

Red Zone fails - psst check Tony's RZ stats this season

Lousy end zone pass to Dez with game on the line- psst Tony and Dez owned that play all year

Same ol' horrible playcalling/game mgmt - psst Tony wasn't coaching the game

Same ol' imbalance of pass/run despite playing a QB who hasn't thrown a meaningful pass in over two years - ohhh, I thought that was all Tony's crazy Peyton wannabe audibles stealing carries from Murray for his own aggrandizement??

Romo wins a game w a broken back keeping them alive, and all the dummies and fake fans can do is post drivel. Orton did his best but he like Romo is saddled w a lousy coach. Plus he just isn't anywhere near as good as Tony. He did get a much better defensive performance than Romo usually did and Tony still posted a winning record and a playoff shot unlike even Drew Brees the year before.

Thank you Kyle for trying. Sorry your effort fell short and is now simply useful as idiot fodder.

And with that folks, I wish you all a Happy New Year. See you in the fall if my stomach settles by then...

Cheers

 

[Lonestar94]

LOL at the"offense was run so much better without Romo".

The last game featured:

Red Zone fails - psst check Tony's RZ stats this season

Lousy end zone pass to Dez with game on the line- psst Tony and Dez owned that play all year

Same ol' horrible playcalling/game mgmt - psst Tony wasn't coaching the game

Same ol' imbalance of pass/run despite playing a QB who hasn't thrown a meaningful pass in over two years - ohhh, I thought that was all Tony's crazy Peyton wannabe audibles stealing carries from Murray for his own aggrandizement??

Romo wins a game w a broken back keeping them alive, and all the dummies and fake fans can do is post drivel. Orton did his best but he like Romo is saddled w a lousy coach. Plus he just isn't anywhere near as good as Tony. He did get a much better defensive performance than Romo usually did and Tony still posted a winning record and a playoff shot unlike even Drew Brees the year before.

Thank you Kyle for trying. Sorry your effort fell short and is now simply useful as idiot fodder.

And with that folks, I wish you all a Happy New Year. See you in the fall if my stomach settles by then...

Cheers

Only thing Orton had on Tony in that game was those pinpoint throws over the middle to Witten and Williams. We hadn't seen much of that since the Broncos game.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

now what does this have to do with the thread title bro? you guys are so sensitive. can we stay on topic. i list two improvements and you take it as romo bashing. you'll know when i bash romo bro, this isn't it. there is no reason for you to bring up the defense, stay on topic. do you not notice an inordinate amount of pre-snap confusion with romo at the helm?

that's not impressive. I have a similar setup, doesn't mean squat. fact is, i have a dozen people in here supporting my theory you have 2 or 3 people who have a history of putting romo above the team. you went from give reasoning why there is more pre-snap confusion (romo having more freedom) to googling stats and claiming it's not out of the ordinary. use two eyes, take off your romo shades and you'll notice a significant difference in how smoothly things were running pre-snap with orton at the helm. you'll notice it around the league.

So again you won't give any concrete proof to support your assertion.

Noted.

 

[Nav22]

Misreading ? Not too much...my names not Romo (hardee har har)

This coming from a former Romo apologist.

I can take you on as an apprentice but it will require of you more Romo/Garrett bashing.

Tell us, guys. Which QB would you prefer: Romo or Orton?

Don't beat around the bush now. Answer the question.