Tyler Eifert speculation

[ShiningStar]

Actually, they're copy cats. Dallas has always had a good tight end, when they were winning Super Bowls.

yes, both those teams looked at those old teams and said "thats it, we are going to copy them, thats the secret right there" "dat right there is the secret sauce"

i see your point , really i do.

 

[ShiningStar]

If you refuse to actually read what people write, what's the point of discussing this any further?

Yes, I believe if this team has a subpar year in 2018, it will be because the offense wasn't good enough. And IMO, if the offense turns out to not be as good as we hoped, it will because we took too many risks in the passing department with the WR and TE corps we assembled.

If the offense scuffles, what do you think would be the most likely culprit? Elliott? The OL? Dak?

our coaches, ive always stood by that. i dont always blame the talent on the field because someone has to direct that talent and many a coaches have gotten good results from their talent. we took our QB, and didnt play him to his strengths, we had a HoF TE and didnt use him correctly. we also allowed a very good OL to sink. our coaches were a bigger problem than said team, but it wasnt 1 single thing. the defense got its lights knocked out by a bad denver team. that was the begining of the end. our coaches coudlnt adapt.

 

[Tabascocat]

Not really. Progress stopper has always been this player that people here claim is older and not much better than what we have, so there's no reason to acquire said player.

The reality is Eifert is easily better than any TE we have on the team. Yes, health is an issue. Further, it's not like if we had Eifert for one year (he's on a one year deal), that we would somehow stunt the development of Jarwin or Gathers. It's such a bizarre argument.

You are worried that not having a HOF TE will decimate this team, fine if you think that. I am not too concerned with it, Dallas will be fine. The offense appears to be changing a bit and our starter will be asked to block well and catch an occasional pass. That TE will end up being Schultz because that is what he excels at. I don't care about Rico, he might not even make the team.

Eifert is an exceptional talent but he is of no use if he sits out more than he plays.

 

[ShiningStar]

i dont even know why hes making it about me. i am reading more that are ok going with what we have. I personally dont see a problem with it. I like the whole idea of this team moving on from what we have and seeing what kind of talents can emerge. Not sorry about it.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I hope not, he would be a progress stopper to our unknowns. Until he gets injured anyways

Stopping the progress of a 2nd year UDFA who has never caught a ball, a 4th round rookie, or a basketball player?

Progress stopper is so overused. They aren't progress stoppers they are better players.

 

[Sydla]

You are worried that not having a HOF TE will decimate this team, fine if you think that. I am not too concerned with it, Dallas will be fine. The offense appears to be changing a bit and our starter will be asked to block well and catch an occasional pass. That TE will end up being Schultz because that is what he excels at. I don't care about Rico, he might not even make the team.

Eifert is an exceptional talent but he is of no use if he sits out more than he plays.

I am worried that having a TE that can make plays will hurt this team. Absolutely. We have a team that's built around it's offense being really good and efficient at scoring points and fielding, at least, a competent defense like we did in 2014 and 2016.

We can't run the ball 60 times a game so to be that efficient and very good offense we need to succeed in 2018, we absolutely are going to need good play out of our WRs and TEs. I like Dak, but he's no Brady or Brees who can turn average guys into really productive players. Dak is going to need guys around him that can make plays for him at times. I think having a TE that can make plays would be a big benefit to Prescott.

My fear is that we simply don't have those guys around him and that we've taken way too many risks on unknowns at both TE and WR.

Hopefully Gathers figures it out or Jarwin is as good as people claim and that we get great play out of Hurns and Gallup. But, yes, I have my worries that the front office took too many risks here.

 

[Sydla]

i dont even know why hes making it about me. i am reading more that are ok going with what we have. I personally dont see a problem with it. I like the whole idea of this team moving on from what we have and seeing what kind of talents can emerge. Not sorry about it.

Because you continually misstate what I am saying. You started by suggesting I am ignoring other positions.

Here's my point. It's actually pretty clear.

For 2018, if this team is to go back to the playoffs, it will because they had a very good and efficient offense. This team is built around it's offense being able to run the ball, churn clock, make plays in the passing game off of play action and just hope to get competent defensive play.

We have an elite OL. We have an elite TB. I have no worries that (if healthy) running the ball will not be a problem in 2018. But unfortunately, this isn't college, where you can run the ball 50+ times a game and churn teams up. For this team to truly be good, they are going to have to be efficient at moving the ball through the air. In other words, since we likely will have a pretty good run offense, if this team scuffles, it will be because they simply weren't good enough at moving the ball through the air.

And if that happens, I suspect it will be because not enough of the unknowns at WR and TE panned out like they hoped and that in fact, they took too many risks at TE and WR and overestimated the skill sets of these guys.

You apparently think that's an outlandish opinion.

 

[ShiningStar]

i am deathly scared of the back up kicker. i mean if that fails and Bailey fails. how can this team look at itself for not addressing every need. back up kicker man, its needed.

 

[Sydla]

i am deathly scared of the back up kicker. i mean if that fails and Bailey fails. how can this team look at itself for not addressing every need. back up kicker man, its needed.

When one can no longer debate the merits, resort to ridiculousness.

Well done.

 

[ShiningStar]

Because you continually misstate what I am saying. You started by suggesting I am ignoring other positions.

Here's my point. It's actually pretty clear.

For 2018, if this team is to go back to the playoffs, it will because they had a very good and efficient offense. This team is built around it's offense being able to run the ball, churn clock, make plays in the passing game off of play action and just hope to get competent defensive play.

We have an elite OL. We have an elite TB. I have no worries that (if healthy) running the ball will not be a problem in 2018. But unfortunately, this isn't college, where you can run the ball 50+ times a game and churn teams up. For this team to truly be good, they are going to have to be efficient at moving the ball through the air. In other words, since we likely will have a pretty good run offense, if this team scuffles, it will be because they simply weren't good enough at moving the ball through the air.

And if that happens, I suspect it will be because not enough of the unknowns at WR and TE panned out like they hoped and that in fact, they took too many risks at TE and WR and overestimated the skill sets of these guys.

You apparently think that's an outlandish opinion.

its even clearer than this, so ill let you in on the secret.

this team is not built around anything because nothing has given it success in 20 years. even the few years we kinda sort made noise its beacuse it was a 1 year thing of which we did nothing to follow it up. So getting scared of the TEs all of a sudden is nothing but short of faux scared because its never been a success for this team in the last 20 years. Its like running around being concerned with the back up kicker. yes it is that clear.

 

[ShiningStar]

When one can no longer debate the merits, resort to ridiculousness.

Well done.

its what you sound like. most everyone is ok going into the year with what we have. TE isnt been that big of a success. Witten was nice but he wasnt the key that put us over.

 

[Sydla]

its what you sound like. most everyone is ok going into the year with what we have. TE isnt been that big of a success. Witten was nice but he wasnt the key that put us over.

So for the record, your contention is that, most fans don't have questions about the TE spot?

 

[Tabascocat]

I am worried that having a TE that can make plays will hurt this team. Absolutely. We have a team that's built around it's offense being really good and efficient at scoring points and fielding, at least, a competent defense like we did in 2014 and 2016.

We can't run the ball 60 times a game so to be that efficient and very good offense we need to succeed in 2018, we absolutely are going to need good play out of our WRs and TEs. I like Dak, but he's no Brady or Brees who can turn average guys into really productive players. Dak is going to need guys around him that can make plays for him at times. I think having a TE that can make plays would be a big benefit to Prescott.

My fear is that we simply don't have those guys around him and that we've taken way too many risks on unknowns at both TE and WR.

Hopefully Gathers figures it out or Jarwin is as good as people claim and that we get great play out of Hurns and Gallup. But, yes, I have my worries that the front office took too many risks here.

I am with ya on the WR’s. If the offense sputters it will be from that group or Dak regressing some. But, it will not be inadequate because Dallas didn’t sign Tyler friggin Eifert!

If the receivers and QB click, our offense won’t have to depend on the TE as much. Now, if Dallas ends up wishing they had a stud TE around mid-season......then there are bigger problems on offense.

 

[ShiningStar]

So for the record, your contention is that, most fans don't have questions about the TE spot?

i personally think if JG didnt build around Witten, theres not many TEs out there hes willing to build around. I dont know what to call it, lets try facts. What do you think is going to happen, hes going to find a lesser TE and slap his forehead and say "this , THIS is the talent we can build around, guys, clean up that trophy case, the Lombardi is coming home"

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Good tight ends can be the x factor. Gronkowski, Ertz, Kelce, Olsen, Graham and Walker to name the established guys can give defenses fits. Too fast for LBs, and too big for most safeties.
Obviously they aren't that easy to find/acquire, but they can make a difference/play a big role in the offensive game plan.
Eifert is too injury prone to bother trading for, or spending serious money on. Doubt the Cowboys were that interested in him, especially with Witten still here at the time.

If our wide receivers can't perform at a good level this year, not having a competent TE may cause offensive sputters this year. I like Gallup and Hurns, but rarely do you see rookie WRs play at a high level off the bat.

That's an interesting point you made.

Bleacher Report comes out with the best at each position for that year after the season concludes and all analysts have finished their film.

They came out with the TE Rankings which looked like this:
1. Gronk-made playoffs
2. Kelce-made playoffs
3. Walker-made playoffs
4. Ertz-made playoffs

Maybe TE is more important than I thought

 

[Sydla]

i personally think if JG didnt build around Witten, theres not many TEs out there hes willing to build around. I dont know what to call it, lets try facts. What do you think is going to happen, hes going to find a lesser TE and slap his forehead and say "this , THIS is the talent we can build around, guys, clean up that trophy case, the Lombardi is coming home"

You didn't answer the question.

Is your contention that most fans don't have questions about our TEs and are perfectly content with our TEs heading into the season.

And it's not necessarily about "Building" around the TE. But to deny that the TE has been an important aspect of this offense, even under Garrett, is just foolishness.

 

[ShiningStar]

You didn't answer the question.

Is your contention that most fans don't have questions about our TEs and are perfectly content with our TEs heading into the season.

And it's not necessarily about "Building" around the TE. But to deny that the TE has been an important aspect of this offense, even under Garrett, is just foolishness.

wow, you are taking this personal. Are you his agent or something? No, i dont worry about the TE position, its changed, its not the same, in fact i view some teams that just use it as another WR. But regarldess of what i think, im not the HC and im not going to bash over every little problem. TE is not high on the list if JG uses his talent correctly and i see zero reason to go out and get another. as i stated, i want the OL to work great, RB and QB. That will allow the rest to fall into place. if the defense does its job, this team is doing good.

 

[CATCH17]

That's an interesting point you made.

Bleacher Report comes out with the best at each position for that year after the season concludes and all analysts have finished their film.

They came out with the TE Rankings which looked like this:
1. Gronk-made playoffs
2. Kelce-made playoffs
3. Walker-made playoffs
4. Ertz-made playoffs

Maybe TE is more important than I thought

When you consider that Dak likes the TE and Slot more then he does the X & Z it makes it even more important.

 

[Sydla]

wow, you are taking this personal. Are you his agent or something? No, i dont worry about the TE position, its changed, its not the same, in fact i view some teams that just use it as another WR. But regarldess of what i think, im not the HC and im not going to bash over every little problem. TE is not high on the list if JG uses his talent correctly and i see zero reason to go out and get another. as i stated, i want the OL to work great, RB and QB. That will allow the rest to fall into place. if the defense does its job, this team is doing good.

And yet, you still haven't answered the question. Funny how that works.

 

[ShiningStar]

And yet, you still haven't answered the question. Funny how that works.

i just said, most of the people in this thread alone are ok going into the season with what we have. IN fact, i havent seen any thread on "Rueing our TE corp" have you?