UFC 117 Silva vs Sonnen
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I admit, I absolutely hated Sonnen and some of the things he said going into this fight. Regardless of what he said outside the cage, the dude just earned an infinite amount of respect in the cage. And one of those guys he earned respect from is me.
Honestly, I thought Chael had no business being in the cage with Silva. I thought he even deserved to be a bigger 'dog' going into this fight than he was. But man, Sonnen absolutely brought it to Anderson for 4 1/2 rounds.
But Silva - there is a reason that guy is the champion he is. To get absolutely hammered for as long and as much as he did, and he hung in there. He ate so many shots, as if it didn't faze him. When he had his opportunities on the feet, he swung - HARD.
Honestly, this boiled down to Sonnen getting absolutely lazy. Sonnen had been getting low in Silva's guard for about a minute or so before the triangle. Silva had been controlling that right wrist of Sonnen's for quite a while, hunting for a triangle or armbar. When Sonnen had gotten so low in Silva's guard, and even postured up a bit, it was a matter of when Silva was going to try it.
Basically, Sonnen invited that submission and Silva was happy to oblige.
If Sonnen stays on top of Silva, puts his head in Silva's chest and a forearm in his throat, he cruises to an easy 50-45 victory.
Incredible fight from both guys though.
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And I should add, if the next fight for both of these guys isn't a rematch, Joe Silva and Dana need their head checked. No one at 185 can put on the fight with Silva like Sonnen did tonight.
Honestly, I thought Chael had no business being in the cage with Silva. I thought he even deserved to be a bigger 'dog' going into this fight than he was. But man, Sonnen absolutely brought it to Anderson for 4 1/2 rounds.
But Silva - there is a reason that guy is the champion he is. To get absolutely hammered for as long and as much as he did, and he hung in there. He ate so many shots, as if it didn't faze him. When he had his opportunities on the feet, he swung - HARD.
Honestly, this boiled down to Sonnen getting absolutely lazy. Sonnen had been getting low in Silva's guard for about a minute or so before the triangle. Silva had been controlling that right wrist of Sonnen's for quite a while, hunting for a triangle or armbar. When Sonnen had gotten so low in Silva's guard, and even postured up a bit, it was a matter of when Silva was going to try it.
Basically, Sonnen invited that submission and Silva was happy to oblige.
If Sonnen stays on top of Silva, puts his head in Silva's chest and a forearm in his throat, he cruises to an easy 50-45 victory.
Incredible fight from both guys though.
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And I should add, if the next fight for both of these guys isn't a rematch, Joe Silva and Dana need their head checked. No one at 185 can put on the fight with Silva like Sonnen did tonight.
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Silva proves it again. Thank goodness
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I was thinking there was almost no way Silva could get up and KO him out in 2 minutes. And I pretty much dismissed the chance at a triangle and/or armbar b/c that would take real sloppiness from Sonnen
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How long would it take Silva to jump up in weight?
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"Set. that. ****. up!"
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BigWillie;3485972 said:
There were a couple of instances earlier in the fight where Sonnen got a bit sloppy while on top of Silva. It finally came back and bite him in the butt in the 5th.
Also, was it just me or did it look like Silva willingly took multiple shots to the chin early in the fight.
Silva is known for his quickness but early in the fight he took a number of direct shots from Sonnen. It appeared to me like he was just sticking his chin out there as if to say -- I'll let you hit it but you can't knock me out.
They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.
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Jed_70;3486005 said:
Not really.
Sonnen was content with sinking his nose into Silva's chest from full or half guard. When he postured, he only half-postured and kept both arms in that did not allow Silva to throw his legs up.
Silva was able to get butterfly guard quite a bit tonight as well, but Silva could do nothing with it. Sonnen was relentless in putting his weight down on top of Silva limiting dang near anything.
Looking back, Sonnen has improved his submission defense an insane amount from where he was to where he is. His top control absolutely limited Silva's ground game.
Sonnen was able to get his body wide enough to even limit Silva's ability to get his usual body triangle. The fighters who have been able to get Silva to the ground usually have gotten into Silva's body triangle which limited their GnP ability. Tonight, I think Silva was only able to do it once.
Not surprising Silva was able to walk through those shots though. Silva routinely trains without head gear even with guys like the Nog's, Machida, JDS, and Aldo who train with him regularly. His teammates have always praised his ability to take a shot.
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Jed_70;3486005 said:
I've watched a couple of videos of Silva training, and he regularly allows fighters to hit him in the face. This was the first time I've ever seen him wobbled by a punch though.
Silva is much more slick when he isn't worried about being taken down. When a wrestler is going to shoot on you if you put your weight back like you need to, to bob and weave, you're more likely to prefer taking/blocking the punches than completely giving up your base.
BigWillie;3486014 said:
Silva's ground game usually consists of exactly what he did tonight, lay on his back, look for triangles and chokes or lock on the body triangle and throw elbows before looking for some kind of lock.
The body triangle was useless against Chael because he prefers to attack you from your guard anyway, so we didn't see a lot of that.
I was almost positive it would end with Chael losing by Submission, the only thing that surprised me was how long it took.
Silva has only lost once by decision ever, I didn't see Chael making it two. Meanwhile 70% of Chael's losses have been by submission and a lot of his wins come by decision.
The numbers weren't in his favor.
On another note, can someone please get jon fitch out of the damn UFC. Imagine this guy as champion? 25 minutes every fight of just laying on top of a guy.
Just wait till the MMA game catches up to wrestlers like it caught up to Jui Jitsu guys, once people start training takedown defense from day one, all these guys that can't finish a fight (or don't even try) are going to get abused.
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Anderson never took Chael seriously. he was training with Steven Seagal for this fight(if you don't believe me search youtube). he needs to get back to the Anderson who didn't **** around like when he 1st came into the UFC. I expect to see the old Anderson Silva in his next fight.
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Rampage;3485882 said:
WHAT! I can't believe you don't like Guida. Whats not to like about a guy who pushes the pace the WHOLE FIGHT and is always looking to keep the pace fast and exciting?
I love watching that guy fight. I'm surprised you don't cause we usually seem to like the same guys in MMA.
Ren;3485973 said:
Dana has mentioned the fact that Belfort could be next cause he was supposed to get the shot when they had to plug in Damien, due to Belfort being injured.
Though he did mention that Sonnen could easily get a rematch cause he was so pleased with the fight on Saturday night.
His next MW fight will be one of those two guys, without a doubt.
Bonecrusher#31;3485975 said:Silva proves it again. Thank goodness
Yep. They can trash talk all they want about him but he simply wins. He out classes folks, he knocks out folks, he submits folks, he even proved Saturday night that he could be beaten up, dominated, and still stay calm and cool and pull out the W.
He's the best pound for pound in the world, IMO.
CATCH17;3485978 said:
Those fights are no doubt coming up. I agree with you there. But I do believe he'll fight Sonnen again and he'll fight Belfort as well.
Jed_70;3486005 said:
I got that idea as well. I also got that feeling with some of the stuff when he was on the ground that rather than use energy to try and continue to keep CHael from hitting him that he took a few shots with no real worry.
I think it was pretty clear to Silva after the one really solid shot that Chael landed in the first round that Chael simply didn't have enough power to KO him so he wasn't really worried about being KO'd.
As for the ribs I didn't know, till after the fight obviously, that they were hurt coming in but I knew they were hurting him during the fight cause between a couple of the rounds he was clearly holding them and was obviously in pain. I figured it must have happened during the fight when I saw that.
Big props to him to fight through that sort of pain, rib injuries are pretty painful even when they're just bruised, no matter rather it was before the fight or happened during the fight.
Chael was pretty impressive though, and I'll give him massive credit for that. He backed up all of his talk and I was impressed by that.
Rampage;3486442 said:
Exactly.
Chael blew his one solid shot at defeating him. He missed it on Saturday. A lot of people will be seriously disappointed in the rematch, if they expect Chael to win or do what he did this time, cause Anderson will take him completely serious next time and he'll be ready to KO Chael immediately, rather than mess with him.
The second fight I'm afraid, my personal opinion of course so I reconize the fact that I could easily be completely wrong about this, will not be nearly as exciting and will leave the Silva haters extremely disappointed.
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TheCount;3486075 said:
Really dissected a ground game there, huh? :laugh2:
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The body triangle is extremely useful against anyone, especially a wrestler.
If you have eve had the joy of being put in a body triangle, you know the restriction in ability you have. Especially the ability to posture up from someones guard. You can, but the type of pressure you then get put from the ribs is near unbearable.
If someone is able to lock a body triangle under your lower floating ribs, you can tap quite a few folks who are not used to that type of pain. Seen this happen quite a bit.
Even more, the body triangle is effective against someone like Sonnen who relies on pressure and pace to control a fight. His constant reigning of punches, movement and pressure is what lets him be the fighter he is. Locking in a body triangle would have slowed and calmed the pace of the fight, allowing Silva time to recover, regroup and just catch his breath to recollect himself.
Against someone like a Jon Fitch, who is content for the most part to lay inside a guard while not pressuring a fighter, of course the body triangle would be useless. Against a fighter like Sonnen, it is an extremely effective move for the fighter on his back to help slow and dictate the pace of a fight.
Rampage;3486442 said:
Anderson trains at Black House, and regularly sparred with Machida leading up to this fight.
The guys at Black House are insanely tight, and constantly spar with each other. Training will never be an issue for those guys, regardless of some Youtube videos.
Plus, learning anything from Seagal will not be wasted time either. The guy is an akido master, which would be extremely helpful against a wrestler, or any grappler for that matter.
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BigWillie;3490291 said:
I know you're a professional fighter and everything but watch the fight.
Silva tried the body triangle maybe twice and it was useless against Chael, hence why he didn't use it often.
I understand what a body triangle does and doesn't do, and that has nothing to do with my statement. I'm talking about what actually took place during the fight.