UFC 117 Silva vs Sonnen

[TNCowboy]

Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen

Thiago Alves vs Jon Fitch

Clay Guida vs Rafael Dos Anjos

Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Hughes

Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson

Ben Saunders vs Dennis Hallman

Dustin Hazelett vs Rick Story

Johny Hendricks vs Charlie Brenneman

Stefan Struve vs Christian Morecraft

Phil Davis vs Rodney Wallace

My thoughts:

1) Whoever bashed Fitch, why? He's a beast. You shouldn't force something that isn't there, especially when it was obvious Alves had nothing but a puncher's chance. He had no energy to make it the fight we were hoping for. If you have anger towards anyone put it on him. With Fitch, there are few fighters I respect more. He took an unbelievable beating from St. Pierre but kept answering the bell.

2) What the hate for Clay Guida? The guy goes full throttle every fight. I'd pay to watch him fight any day. Not the most talented guy, but he's one of my favorites for the way he puts it all on the line.

3) Matt Hughes....he didn't look washed up to me. I still don't think there's any way he can get to being a contender.

4) What the heck is in Roy Nelson's chin?

5) If Anderson Silva wants to retire with that immortal aura still around him, he better make it fast. He was totally outclassed and only a carelessness allowed him to remain undefeated. I don't fully understand what Fightmetric does, but it said that Choenen outpunched Silva 5 to 1. IOW, he got dominated by a guy who is hardly the best fighter Silva will be looking at in the near future. Or Silva could go the Matt Hughes route, hang on, lose to the best in his division, yet still make some nice $$$.

 

[Kangaroo]

I know, I know,......I know. Thanks telling me what I already knew

#1 Did you see what Seagal was teaching Anderson?

#2 Do you believe Silva took him seriously

Since Segal teaches Aikido it is a lot locks, pins and throw. The premise is built around balance, body movement and using the opponents actions against him. Aikido comes from a jujitsu root ryu and it is also based on sword and spear as part of the art

 

[DemonBlood]

I was laughing my *** off when Chael got subbed. I hate that troll so much.

Silva's next fight better be against Belfort.


WAR VITOR!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I was laughing my *** off when Chael got subbed. I hate that troll so much.

Silva's next fight better be against Belfort.


WAR VITOR!

I laughed, for sure, but that was more because everyone in the room I was watching it with was all go for him out of hate for Silva.

Now going into the fight I hated Chael cause of the way he ran his mouth and acted as if he was the second coming and Silva was just some lucky chump who'd never beaten anyone.

But I gained MAJOR respect for Chael as the fight progressed and I do not have any issue with the man at this point. He talked a lot of smack but he backed it up by showing a pretty solid ability to utilize his strengths against an opponents weaknesses.

His only problem was that he was till fighting the best P4P fighter in the world today and sometimes executing a gameplan perfectly simply isn't enough.

But my hat is off to Chael. Major respect for what he was able to showcase.


Same thing with Roy Nelson that night. Now I've never hated Roy but I never thought much of him either. But the beating he was taking that night and the way he just refused to go down, refused to go away, I was very impressed by that.


And I am hoping to see Vitor vs. Silva. That has fireworks written all over it.

 

[rbr651]

Just wait till the MMA game catches up to wrestlers like it caught up to Jui Jitsu guys, once people start training takedown defense from day one, all these guys that can't finish a fight (or don't even try) are going to get abused.

Won't happen...if a world class wrestler can't stop a take down from another world class wrestler, a non wrestler will always have trouble, always.

 

[Little_Roloff]

I'd just like to say that this was the first UFC event I've seen live and wow oh wow do I LOVE Chael Sonnen. After talking the way he did and promoting the fight like he did he showed up and delivered!

He's a warrior and he was so close to beating the man a lot of people thought was the best pound for pound fighter just a week ago.

Sonnen is awsome, I share his Republican beliefs and I will pay my hard earned cash to watch him fight next time he's on.

Go Chael!

Also, would I look like a d-bag if I wore the shirt he wore when he walked out to the cage? Im no cage fighter lol.

 

[BigWillie]

I know, I know,......I know. Thanks telling me what I already knew

#1 Did you see what Seagal was teaching Anderson?

#2 Do you believe Silva took him seriously

Yes. A few minutes of video will not tell all that happened during a training session though.

Since Segal teaches Aikido it is a lot locks, pins and throw. The premise is built around balance, body movement and using the opponents actions against him. Aikido comes from a jujitsu root ryu and it is also based on sword and spear as part of the art

While people will think of Seagal as only the actor, quite a few folks forget how unbelievably talented and dedicated that man is to the martial arts.

Any time spent with him training on what he knows would be no different than training with Renzo Gracie in BJJ. John Smith in freestyle. Samart Payakaroon in muay thai.

I know you're a professional fighter and everything but watch the fight.

Silva tried the body triangle maybe twice and it was useless against Chael, hence why he didn't use it often.

I understand what a body triangle does and doesn't do, and that has nothing to do with my statement. I'm talking about what actually took place during the fight.

I have watched the fight. Again. And again. In fact, even have the 1080 version on my PS3 so I can watch it anytime I want.

The body triangle is not an offensive maneuver, and is never intended to be an offensive maneuver. It can be, to someone who isn't used to the pressure it puts on the ribs. So how can you judge it's effectiveness when it isn't meant to be an offensive maneuver?

Heck, the move isn't even meant to stop offense either. Simply to slow it down. When it limits the ability of the guy on top to breathe, it also limits their ability to move to get power into their shot. And if you watch the video, Chael's shots were nothing but aggravating shots meant to open that body triangle.

So if you are aware of what a body triangle does and does not do, why are you judging the effectiveness of it? Chael slowed down, landed no powerful shots, and his movement is restricted. In this, it allows the guy on bottom to regain focus. Thus, the body triangle is successful.

But you already knew that.

 

[TheCount]

I have watched the fight. Again. And again. In fact, even have the 1080 version on my PS3 so I can watch it anytime I want.

The body triangle is not an offensive maneuver, and is never intended to be an offensive maneuver. It can be, to someone who isn't used to the pressure it puts on the ribs. So how can you judge it's effectiveness when it isn't meant to be an offensive maneuver?

Heck, the move isn't even meant to stop offense either. Simply to slow it down. When it limits the ability of the guy on top to breathe, it also limits their ability to move to get power into their shot. And if you watch the video, Chael's shots were nothing but aggravating shots meant to open that body triangle.

So if you are aware of what a body triangle does and does not do, why are you judging the effectiveness of it? Chael slowed down, landed no powerful shots, and his movement is restricted. In this, it allows the guy on bottom to regain focus. Thus, the body triangle is successful.

But you already knew that.

I'm not really sure where you're going with all this or what it has to do with my statement that Silva likes to use the body triangle from his back but he couldn't use it against Chael because Chael likes to attack from the guard anyway versus looking to pass, mount and submit/gnp.

Not sure how this became a philosophical discussion on the body triangle.

If, as you state, the body triangle was so successful, I'd love to hear your opinion on what Anderson didn't use it more like he usually does.