***Ultimate Vanderjagt Thread***

Dale

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I don't think this is a money thing whatsoever.

If his injuries were contrived, then this whole ordeal is clearly a confidence thing. He knew he didn't have it in camp and wanted to fake an injury to either give him some more time to improve or to try to hide his lack of production in camp.
 

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Dale said:
I don't think this is a money thing whatsoever.

If his injuries were contrived, then this whole ordeal is clearly a confidence thing. He knew he didn't have it in camp and wanted to fake an injury to either give him some more time to improve or to try to hide his lack of production in camp.

whatever "it" is.... I have my doubts that he can just turn "it" on and off at will
 

k19

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So let me getthis straight. Vanderjerk makes 92% of his kicks last year and suddenly he's lost it???????/ Not buying that one.


BTW Faulk was on NFL network and said when he misses he ALWAYS misses right, sometimes hed correct it right away, sometimes he wouldnt. Said thats how it was his first year in Indy and still is that way
 

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Danny White said:
Hopefully I've earned a reputation here of not being knee-jerk, or reactionary on this site, so hopefully I'll get a bit of leeway on this... but something really stinks with Vanderjagt in this pre-season.

First, he looks shaky all through the early preseason. Then, much to Parcells surprise, Vandy pulls himself right before the Saints kickoff. Parcells insisted after that game that he hadn't been injured but just pulled himself.

Finally, he only kicks in the final game when he absolutely HAS to.

Now for my conspiracy theory:

Vandy KNOWS he doesn't have it anymore. This whole pre-season has been a big stalling tactic for him to hide this fact so he can assure himself of being on the opening day roster so this year's contract is guaranteed.

Any takers?

Vandy is still a good kicker and is going to be fine. But if we are talking about a conspiracy theory, how about this one. The night Vandy has to kickoff he misses 2 field goals. He has already let it be known that he does not like kicking off, could he be trying to get out of it?
 

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If you look at his kicks, he just seems to be favoring his leg. Usually kickers will kick the crap out of a ball, no matter how short or long it is. When you look at Vander, it almost seems like he's taking a lot off of his kicks, and the end result is not a good kick. It just doesn't seem like he's giving it 100% to me. I think he'll be fine once the regular season starts, after all, he is #1 in FG% in the season, not the preseason.
 

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He's 87.5% guys. That means he will miss some. They just happened to be the 2 in a row.

So now, he will be 100% Gold for his next 8 or 9 kicks.....

yeah..... So don't worry!!!
 

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Web Posted: 09/01/2006 12:14 AM CDT
Tom Orsborn
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IRVING — Terrell Owens appears to be good to go for the season opener.
Now, the Dallas Cowboys have to find out if the same can be said for the other big-name free agent they signed in the offseason.

The Cowboys had to settle for a 10-10 tie with Minnesota on Thursday after Mike Vanderjagt missed wide right on overtime field-goal attempts from 33 and 32 yards.

Owens, who has been plagued by a hamstring injury since the first week of training camp and missed the Cowboys' previous three exhibition games, made his debut with 13:46 left in the first half and played until halftime. He was in on 19 snaps, covering two possessions, and finished with one catch for 6 yards.

"I just wanted to run around and get my hands on the ball," Owens said. "It's a long season. We'll be ready to work in Jacksonville."

With Owens apparently healthy, Vanderjagt becomes the Cowboys' chief concern.

Asked if the sore groin that forced him to miss two of the Cowboys' four exhibition games had anything to do with the misses, Vanderjagt said, "I'm not going to put it on that. I'm certainly not 100 percent, but you should make a 32-yard field goal in your sleep. Write what you want.

"It was sorry ... kicking."

The fans who stayed for the extra session certainly agreed. They showered Vanderjagt with boos after both misses and did the same when he jogged onto the field for the final attempt with 11 seconds left.

"I don't make excuses for two (easy) field goals from the middle of the field," Vanderjagt said.

After losing three games last season because of faulty kicking, the Cowboys signed Vanderjagt to a three-year, $5.4 million contract that included a $2.5 million signing bonus. The deal made him the highest-paid kicker in team history, but coach Bill Parcells suggested he wouldn't be afraid to release Vanderjagt if he doesn't get his act together before the Sept. 10 opener in Jacksonville.

"We will have to think it over," Parcells said. "You know I have not seen very much, so we will see."

Asked if Vanderjagt's injury was still an issue, Parcells said, "I don't think so. He kicked all week and he looked fine to me in warmups."

Cowboys quarterback Drew Bledsoe (right) and wide receiver Terrell Owens talk things over between plays.
Vanderjagt, who joined the Cowboys after eight seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, is the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

"You can rest on your laurels only so long," Vanderjagt said. "You have to make kicks when a star is on your helmet not a horseshoe. I've got some making up to do."

Vanderjagt wasn't the only goat. Rookie receiver Sam Hurd, a former Brackenridge star, dropped a sure TD pass from Tony Romo in the end zone in overtime.

Parcells also faced scrutiny after deciding to kick the extra point and force OT after Tyson Thompson caught a 2-yard pass from Romo to pull the Cowboys within 10-9 with 17 seconds left.

Asked why he didn't try a 2-point conversion, Parcells said: "Because I didn't want to. We didn't really have a good play. What we wanted to throw for two, we had already thrown once down there. We didn't really have a good play."

Romo completed 30 of 45 passes for 349 yards, two interceptions and one TD. Drew Bledsoe was 9 of 11 for 69 yards and an interception.

Bledsoe had to leave the game after taking a blow to the head while attempting to field a botched snap in the first quarter.
 

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Hopefully Vandy's problem now is more physical than mental, because that would probably be easier to get over.

Right now I have zero faith in him being able to make a clutch kick for us from any distance. I'm starting to think that awful miss in the playoffs last year is affecting him more than his groin.
 

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"You have to make kicks when a star is on your helmet not a horseshoe."

This would be a good signature quote if he ever makes a game-winning kick for us.

From my observation, it seem as if he was trying not to miss the last kick. I called it before it even came off his foot. He was trying to take something off the kick, it appears.

Of course, he took something off it alright. :(
 

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Bad thing with Vandy right now is he has not looked good through out camp and now missing 2 easy kicks Dallas has to be concerned. I don't think he will be cut but between now and week 1 the guy better get his head screwed on right
 

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Please help me understand this comment:

"He did not make it because there was no pressure"

That is the most ridiculous statement I have read in this whole thread.

When there is pressure it is harder to do things correctly than when there is no pressure. Your body chnages under pressure, you get tense and so forth. Pressure does not usually help kickers, it makes them worse. Same with a golf swing.


Pressure is not the answer!!!!

If I am going to watch the cowboys miss FG's and lose games this year, it will make me much more irritated watching our 2.5 mill signing bonus kicker miss them than watching Suisham miss them.

Cut Vanderjagt!
 

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As I watched Vandy shank those two OT kicks I said to myself (former kicker here) the same thing TO said to him. He's not finishing. He's just not following through. And with kickers if you throw off any part of your normal routine you significantly increase the chances you will miss. And it was weird because you can see after he hits the ball his leg basically came to a halt. Its like shooting a free throw without snapping your wrist (just pushing it like Shaq, lol).

When I kicked a groin injury could effect your form at some points worse than others. My groin would hurt when I struck the ball. Maybe his hurts when he extends his leg too far. Whatever the case he's going to have to make some major adjustments in 9 days to get ready.

That guy kicking last night just was not the Vandy I've grown accustomed to over the years. And if you ever see his head pop up real quick after a kick like last night. You know he probably just missed the kick.
 

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good observation. maybe physical, maybe mental. kickers can be head cases. but i think we better keep sushi to kick off and be a security blanket if he can't get it together.i would think if it's his follow thru they could corerect that after watching the tapes.
 

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Gryphon said:
Asked why he didn't try a 2-point conversion, Parcells said: "Because I didn't want to. We didn't really have a good play. What we wanted to throw for two, we had already thrown once down there. We didn't really have a good play."

Sounds like just wanted to get his team some more reps.
 

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conner01 said:
kickers can be head cases.QUOTE]

yes we can. I'm just hoping Vandy forgets about that Pittsburgh miss and keeps his confidence. Once you lose some confidence (especially kickers) you put more pressure on yourself than there already is. And then you begin to think too much when being a kicker is just swinging your leg like you've been doing for however years you been doing it. Not much goes into it UNTIL you start thinking about it.
 
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