Ummm Aaron Glen on the Rod Smith TD

[TwoDeep3]

I have now read every post in this thread. And only one post recognized that this was a great play by the offensive line of Denver, a head's up play by Plummer, and a nice adjustment by Rod Smith.

What has not been commented on by all the people who suggest the rush didn't get there is the fact that the split second Plummer released the ball, he was hit and knocked down.

He arched the ball to make a play, throwing well before Smith got to the endzone. He put enough air under it that the receiver could make a play on the ball.

However, Plummer also knew Smith, 6'0" was on Glenn, 5'9", and had a better than even chance of knocking the ball down if they were both going up for it.

So good choice by Plummer.

The defensive back that gave his resume earlier made some insightful comments on how the play unfolded.

The real issue might be that Smith and Plummer made a bad decision that turned out to be correct. It seems to me that when the team blitzes 9 players, the correct route for the WR is the out, or slant. Something which is quick and allows the quarterback to release the ball before the blitz arrives.

Glenn had that route covered.

So the blocking scheme of the Broncos allowed just enough time for Plummer to make the only throw he could on that play considering Smith ran an out and up.

Sometimes the other guys make a good play.

As far as this being a bad call by the Cowboys, I disagree.

If it works, we push them back and force them to take a shot at a field goal. They were on our twenty yard line.

 

[jimmy40]

That is just a very savy veteran in Rod Smith, who has been there before, understanding what needed to be done. Not even Anthony Henry would have made a play on that move.

You just have to give credit where credit is due. Rod Smith is still a very good WR.

Wow, a Cowboy's fan giving the other team props. Very well done Fletch.

 

[percyhoward]

As far as this being a bad call by the Cowboys, I disagree. If it works, we push them back and force them to take a shot at a field goal. They were on our twenty yard line.

The Broncos reacted very well to that blitz, but then that's been the pattern all year with them. Statistically, they are the best team in the NFL against the blitz.

What you want to do against Plummer is get him into a 3rd down passing situation, where his rating is below 70. We had him right where we wanted him. By blitzing, we let him off the hook. We put him into a situation where his rating is above 100!

That was the only time we blitzed in the first half, and that TD was the ONLY 3rd down the Broncos converted in the entire first half. You could make a good argument that blitzing there cost us the game.

 

[scottsp]

On a double route with an all out blitz, you can't blame a corner for the play. The play has to be made up front. Glenn jumped the first route. That's what a corner is supposed to do in that situation. If the receiver has time to make the second move on that, it's anything but the cornerback's play to make.

This is not the sandlot, people. Certain things must be exectuted properly. The Broncs put their "punt rush" blitz out there and they made the play on Bledsoe before he could get into his drop. That's how it's supposed to work. That, or an errant throw is forced. If a QB gets off a decent throw, the corner is at such a disadvantage, it's ridiculous.

Glenn can't see what the QB is doing because of the technique he was in, he was out of his backpedal. He was running step for step until the double when Rod finally got the separation. He hasn't got the luxury of seeing ball, passer, his man, etc. He's locked onto Smith, as he should be.

Got to get to the passer on that. Period.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

They picked up the blitz, it wasn't totally Aarons fault.

 

[conner01]

you send 9 guys and the logical play for the cb is the short route.they exacuted a great play.in a perfect world i guess glenn would have known they would pick up the blitz and the wr would be running a double move on an all out blitz. your right glenn was not perfect but if thats the worst play he has this year i'm a happy camper.give a little credit to the offense, rather than bash the defender

 

[jay cee]

What is it with Glenn? He gives up both TD's in that Washington game and everyone puts all the blame on Roy Williams. He gives up an easy td strike and everyone says that he is blameless.

I know he is not totally at fault, but his job is to cover the receiver and no one can say that he did a good job covering the receiver on that play.

 

[Muhast]

The PROBLEM, is you guys are sideline qb's.

In his shoes, he made the right choice. He is told not to give up the short route on the blitz, the wr did a out and up, so he bites on the out. As a cornerback I would have done the same thing. I'd be willing to bet, IN HIS SHOES' the majority of this site would do the same. He is told in a HOUSE situation, the qb will throw quick with the rush in his face. Your thinking incomplete, or interception, not lobbed up deep pass

 

[Chuck 54]

Led me shed some light. I graduated 05'. 3 year starter at my AAAAA high school in georgia. I was all county junior and senior year.

My Credentials: I played 7 players who are d.1 in man to man the entire game and shut all of them down.

Schools like UGA, AUBURN, SOUTH CAROLINA,STANFORD. Not small d.1 schools.

I will say this, I bet anything I have, NO ONE on this site could have covered that route. The out and up is the hardest route one on one in football IMO. If you don't bite on the out, they complete that for 15 yards, if you do, they go deep and you risk a touchdown. In an all out blitz like that, the db is expecting the ball to be thrown quick. Blame this on the 9 players who didn't get a rush on Plummer, not Glenn. The out and up takes AT LEAST 5 seconds to develop. In the same situation I would have bit on the out to, expecting the pass rush. Even if it werent a blitz, unless you have a safeties help that route is damn near impossible to stop. I'm glad high school qb's don't throw it.

Not quite correct...that pattern can and could have been covered. Glenn could have played soft, playing to not give up the big play, despite the fact that we were blitzing on 3rd down and trying to stop the Broncos cold, but then he'd have looked like all the CBs who've played that side over the past 5-6 years...Smith could have caught the short pass for the first down with Glenn five yards behind him coming into the picture late and making the tackle.

And you know what we'd be hearing then? "I'll be glad when Henry gets back...that damn Glenn plays too soft, never makes a play on the ball...they're killing us over there."

Give up the lone TD or give up lots of first downs, no one will be happy until the CB plays a perfect game.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not quite correct...that pattern can and could have been covered. Glenn could have played soft, playing to not give up the big play, despite the fact that we were blitzing on 3rd down and trying to stop the Broncos cold, but then he'd have looked like all the CBs who've played that side over the past 5-6 years...Smith could have caught the short pass for the first down with Glenn five yards behind him coming into the picture late and making the tackle.

And you know what we'd be hearing then? "I'll be glad when Henry gets back...that damn Glenn plays too soft, never makes a play on the ball...they're killing us over there."

Give up the lone TD or give up lots of first downs, no one will be happy until the CB plays a perfect game.

However, he jumps the route and it is going back the other way. Ala Bailey.

 

[jay cee]

The PROBLEM, is you guys are sideline qb's.

In his shoes, he made the right choice. He is told not to give up the short route on the blitz, the wr did a out and up, so he bites on the out. As a cornerback I would have done the same thing. I'd be willing to bet, IN HIS SHOES' the majority of this site would do the same. He is told in a HOUSE situation, the qb will throw quick with the rush in his face. Your thinking incomplete, or interception, not lobbed up deep pass

So are you saying that Glenn was not at all at fault Muhast? He bears no blame for giving up the TD?

If you blitz 9 guys, it's ok for the corner to get beat if the blitz does not get there.

And it's not like the QB stood back there for 5-6 seconds waiting the receiver to come open.

I like Glenn and I think he is a solid number 3 corner, but he has been beaten on at least 3 big touchdowns pass plays this year. I can't think of any other backup corner that I would rather the Cowboys have. So I hope that you don't think that I am bashing the guy.

But, no I don't think he is totally blameless in this particular instance, nor do I think that he was blameless on the two Moss td's in the Washington game.

And hey, we are all sideline qb's. That's why we post on a forum.

 

[TRUTH87]

The PROBLEM, is you guys are sideline qb's.

In his shoes, he made the right choice. He is told not to give up the short route on the blitz, the wr did a out and up, so he bites on the out. As a cornerback I would have done the same thing. I'd be willing to bet, IN HIS SHOES' the majority of this site would do the same. He is told in a HOUSE situation, the qb will throw quick with the rush in his face. Your thinking incomplete, or interception, not lobbed up deep pass

..yay!! I'm a QB!!!...

 

[Billy Bullocks]

LOL

Man, we have some of the most apologetic fans in the world. It's never anyone's fault. Especially Rob Petitti.

No, we have fans who understand football, and the concept that it is a team sport. If you actually watch the game, you can see what all these guys are talking about. Glenn expected his TEAM to get to Plummer. They didn't. He anticipated jumping a short route.

Fletch, excellent point as well, Rod Smith is no sucker WR. He's quietly been among the best in the league for a long while now, and that play showed us part of the reason.

By the way, Glenn had a pretty good game besides that. Our top 3 CB's are very good. Glenn can still play at this level, and it's no fluke that at his size, he's been around for a while. Guys like him seem to be forgotten when people rate this team. Unlike BP's first 2 years in the league, this team has depth now.

 

[jay cee]

No, we have fans who understand football, and the concept that it is a team sport. If you actually watch the game, you can see what all these guys are talking about. Glenn expected his TEAM to get to Plummer. They didn't. He anticipated jumping a short route.

Fletch, excellent point as well, Rod Smith is no sucker WR. He's quietly been among the best in the league for a long while now, and that play showed us part of the reason.

By the way, Glenn had a pretty good game besides that. Our top 3 CB's are very good. Glenn can still play at this level, and it's no fluke that at his size, he's been around for a while. Guys like him seem to be forgotten when people rate this team. Unlike BP's first 2 years in the league, this team has depth now.

you are right Billy, it is a team sport. And the d-coordinator has to be confident that his corner can handle one on one coverage for more than 2 or 3 seconds. Glenn did not do that. I understand why he didn't do it, he was playing the percentages and he got burned.

Most times on that play he probably would have made the pick, because the team would have been throwing the out, but that time he didn't.

To use a baseball example. If a hitter is at the plate with a 3-2 count and the bases loaded and he's expecting a fastball, but gets a curve in the dirt, I can understand why he struck out, but ultimately it's still his fault for guessing wrong.

 

[cowboytillidie]

some of you guys are a trip. Do you think players aren't flawless. Everybody - except Deion in his prime - gets beat for TDs. Champ Bailey has gotten roasted 3-4 times this season. It doesn't mean they're bad players - it means they got beat. As long as a guy helps you win more than he contributes to losses, i'll take it.