Undisputed talks Dak's NFL Ranking

starfan1 said:
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it?

Mahomes is part of the equation not THE equation
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"I really don't care that much about dak anyways" *continues to stick up for and post about dak" :huh:

mahomes made fat andy. He was a good, not geat coach.
 
Dak throws too many picks that ARE his fault for anyone to claim otherwise is to be a fool.

THAT SAID

A fair number of QBs with rings have done the same.

No way is Flacco, Dilfer, Foles, Stafford, Brad Johnson or Eli as good as Dak.

But then none of them was as good as Jim Kelly either. OR Dan Marino.

It all has to come together to win a SB. Even BB and Brady only got 5 in 19 years. And that was clearly the greatest HC and QB combo of all time; about the only other one that was comparable was Otto Graham and Paul Brown.
 
Captain-Crash said:
"I really don't care that much about dak anyways" *continues to stick up for and post about dak" :huh:

mahomes made fat andy. He was a good, not geat coach.
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Reid was a top 5 coach in the NFL before Mahoomes. Bluntly speaking getting as far as he did with the Vomit Comet was up there with BP getting to the Playoffs with Q and Hambone and some other pretty sad players.
 
starfan1 said:
no less useless than your side's stance about playoff wins. Mahomes while a much better QB than the last 2 weve had dont do it on his own either.
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He doesn't do it on his own. But...I have a theory and bear with me...this is a bigger issue than Dak VS Mahomes;

Is it possible players...especially a QB...can help give other players better opportunity to succeed? This, I think, would take some refined and objective assessment.

I will go back to Mahomes for the sake of making a clear case...just one of those miracles plays he seems to have handy....keeps the offense going, defense on the bench...and a win provided. Did he do it all by himself? Of course not...but he made a play the other QB's simple can't do (no knock on any of them!).

I also think something like the way a QB delivers a ball....not just "accuracy" or "catchable". Touch, arc, lead...those kinds of things that give the receiver...more and easier.
How about the way a QB can hide the ball on an option? I think Rodgers was good at that. He wouldn't get the play yards, but he fooled the defense enough to spring the HB.

See? I am sure this could be done...I certainly don't have the capacity, mentally or machinery...to investigate that but maybe A.I.? Or heck maybe someone already has the stats. It's a deep dive for sure....something many would have zero interest in. Show me the wins!
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
He doesn't do it on his own. But...I have a theory and bear with me...this is a bigger issue than Dak VS Mahomes;

Is it possible players...especially a QB...can help give other players better opportunity to succeed? This, I think, would take some refined and objective assessment.

I will go back to Mahomes for the sake of making a clear case...just one of those miracles plays he seems to have handy....keeps the offense going, defense on the bench...and a win provided. Did he do it all by himself? Of course not...but he made a play the other QB's simple can't do (no knock on any of them!).

I also think something like the way a QB delivers a ball....not just "accuracy" or "catchable". Touch, arc, lead...those kinds of things that give the receiver...more and easier.
How about the way a QB can hide the ball on an option? I think Rodgers was good at that. He wouldn't get the play yards, but he fooled the defense enough to spring the HB.

See? I am sure this could be done...I certainly don't have the capacity, mentally or machinery...to investigate that but maybe A.I.? Or heck maybe someone already has the stats. It's a deep dive for sure....something many would have zero interest in. Show me the wins!
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Everyone knows that the great QBs are great because of what is between the ears. Joe Montana had an average arm at best and was rather small. Peyton Manning had at BEST an average arm and found ways to compensate for it getting weaker until the last season when it died. Peyton Manning was arguably the worth athlete that became a great QB.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
He doesn't do it on his own. But...I have a theory and bear with me...this is a bigger issue than Dak VS Mahomes;

Is it possible players...especially a QB...can help give other players better opportunity to succeed? This, I think, would take some refined and objective assessment.

I will go back to Mahomes for the sake of making a clear case...just one of those miracles plays he seems to have handy....keeps the offense going, defense on the bench...and a win provided. Did he do it all by himself? Of course not...but he made a play the other QB's simple can't do (no knock on any of them!).

I also think something like the way a QB delivers a ball....not just "accuracy" or "catchable". Touch, arc, lead...those kinds of things that give the receiver...more and easier.
How about the way a QB can hide the ball on an option? I think Rodgers was good at that. He wouldn't get the play yards, but he fooled the defense enough to spring the HB.

See? I am sure this could be done...I certainly don't have the capacity, mentally or machinery...to investigate that but maybe A.I.? Or heck maybe someone already has the stats. It's a deep dive for sure....something many would have zero interest in. Show me the wins!
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Mahomes is an all time great or will be when it’s all said and done and his skill set is PART of why KC is where they are no doubt

He doesn’t do it on his own. Take Kelse away or take that line away it’s a different story

Put him under Garrett and Jones it’s a different story

Put Romo or Dak under Reid it’s a different story
 
Captain-Crash said:
PM from you, keep educating me

Good afternoon sir and i am reaching because i believe i used your name multiple times as a hater in how you approached Dak and this team. I always thought you had a good sense of humor about it but very rarely agreed with you. Well you are one of 2 people I am reaching out to say I see your point now. I am reaching because you were a civil person in disagreement. I still believe that the biggest issue on this team is the line. I now believe that dak is the 2nd biggest concern of many where as before I thought he was further down the list. Dak has to have everything sound around him to be successful you were right. I didn't make a thread out of this because the board is volatile enough right now and because only 2 of you will get an apology from me. You and Pappy. I now get an early start on working to correct my golf swing.
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Now add the date and time . It was right after the first niners loss and when you have opportunities to look and reflect what happened you realize that it’s more than just 1 thing

And I was correct in the OL so while you think your smug by posting an IM from over 2 years ago

You haven’t done anything in regards to backing up your position on Mahomes

You’ve only shown the board that your the troll most believe you are
 
Captain-Crash said:
PM from you, keep educating me

Good afternoon sir and i am reaching because i believe i used your name multiple times as a hater in how you approached Dak and this team. I always thought you had a good sense of humor about it but very rarely agreed with you. Well you are one of 2 people I am reaching out to say I see your point now. I am reaching because you were a civil person in disagreement. I still believe that the biggest issue on this team is the line. I now believe that dak is the 2nd biggest concern of many where as before I thought he was further down the list. Dak has to have everything sound around him to be successful you were right. I didn't make a thread out of this because the board is volatile enough right now and because only 2 of you will get an apology from me. You and Pappy. I now get an early start on working to correct my golf swing.
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Star and I might....fight? LOL :):D...sometimes. But he's a decent honest guy. We've been forum buds for many years.
 
I'll just say this. I think this season should be a lot of fun. I don't know if we will go 12-5 again this year as the schedule is a bit more difficult than it was last year. However, I think we do have a better team than what we had last year. I think, if we make the playoffs, that this is a team that can go deep in the playoffs with the new system that we are using and with the players on this team.
 
pitt33 said:
You couldn’t pay me to watch.

Amazing that the network televises that stuff.

Kinda sad if you ask me.
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Yup, it's ridiculous. For me, as far as the network/huge sports talk shows go, I'll take Pat McAfee any day over Undisputed. At least he's hilarious.
 
starfan1 said:
Lol you can’t even get that right AC isn’t the emoji guy that would be Qcard and Nav more than him

It must be rough being wrong so often lol and those that are paid to evaluate agree with AC
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Could be a sport in it of itself for Crash. How many times can he be wrong in one post?
 
Reverend Conehead said:
Some of their points make me wonder if the league should have some additional stat categories:
* interceptions-QF (quarterback's fault)
* interceptions-RF (receiver's fault)
* interceptions-BF (both at fault)
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Simplify - TI = tipped interception
LIS = lost in space, total bone head throw to begin with.
 
RustyBourneHorse said:
Could be a sport in it of itself for Crash. How many times can he be wrong in one post?
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yeah, I should have gotten my little pony instead of the opossum costume, and then we could be buds.

captainpossum.jpg
 
Like it or not, Dak will always continue to be a polarizing figure not just here on CZ but apparently even national media. Those that like him are not gonna care about postseason and will just want you to look at stats.....and make up excuses for the bad ones....i.e. the OL, WR, OC, etc...and those who dislike him will not have their mind changed by that because they have actually seen him crap the bed in too many key instances. Dak will be seen just like we see Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, Wentz, Darnold, etc....QBs who will have some great games, but are not consistent enough and do not carry it into the playoffs against real defenses. In other words, you will not win a SB with him, maybe not even a conference championship. He is 30 and that's what he is. Another average QB in a long line of average QBs in the NFL. Nothing special. Hope Jones realizes this and does not make another huge mistake by extending this agony. Eat the contract and cut bait next season.
 
Have not read though all the posts yet.
But don't they or some talking head show...or is that talking headless ....do one of these every day?

:laugh:
 
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