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I gotta admit, I'm not the draftophile I was a few years ago, where'd I'd pore over the draft sites and know the names of the top 100 prospects. I got super busy during the recent COVID unpleasantness and so my last big draft study was 2019.

What I do now is study the candidates **after** they are drafted or signed by the Cowboys. And I am impressed by the job the scouting staff has done. They have been able to find 'those guys' nobody drafted and get them signed early. I've been impressed by the scouts since the Miles Austin days. Somehow they have consistently found these guys and brought them and coached them up. Cole Beasley was one of the more recent examples, along with Cooper Rush, who I am very glad Dallas resigned.

The draft is a crap shoot after you get past the 3rd round. And of course "can't miss" prospects in those first 3 rounds miss all the time. What people need to remember is the sheer size of the draft class and the fact that about 1/2 of the teams in this league have no real idea how to evaluate talent, and/or coach it up once they land it. A lot of very good college football players get drafted by NFL staffs that never coach them up to anywhere near their potential. They end up drafting a guy for a need, then try to make him fit their 'system'. Some guys get lucky after never doing anything for the team that drafted them, then they go to another team and 'catch fire'. That's often because the original team wasn't using them right.

The very first thing that has to happen is that the scout team and the coaching staff has to have a CRYSTAL CLEAR IDEA what system they are running and what kind of players they need to bring in and coach up in that system. The number of teams out there where there's disconnect somewhere between the owner-GM-coaching staff-scouting staff is probably well over 1/2 the league. So out of 32 teams maybe only 12-10 have any real idea what they're doing from the top down, from the owner to the scouting staff.

I've spent some time going over the available videos of the FA guys we've signed so far. I'm happy to report the Cowboys are indeed one of those 10-12 teams that know what they are doing.

The common perception of the general public is that there's a huge dropoff of talent in the NCAA CFB ranks after you get past the 100th prospect or so. Maybe in the olden days, but not anymore. Every class of draftees the pool is massive, and year sees deep talent at particular positions. After 7 rounds of drafting and maybe 24 OT's taken, is there really that much of a drop off between that 24th and 25th guy? Not if you have the right kind of coaching staff.

The big names, the top 10 prospects that go in the first 2 rounds at each position get all the national hoopla, the TV face time, etc. But after you get past the top 10 guys at each position you've entered the territory where the real hard work in scouting begins. And I've learned there a massive amount of undrafted talent out there if you know where to look, and know what you are looking FOR. You're not looking for instant starters in FA once the draft ends; you're looking for talent with certain abilities and skills that you know will benefit from a year or 2 of coaching in your system and then become contributors.

A lot of scouts are good at assessing the strengths/weaknesses of a prospect in a generalized sense. What a great scout can do is look at that prospect and 'see' that within the system his team is utilizing currently, how those strengths and weaknesses make him a good or bad prospect for HIS system.

Countless times I see players drafted who end up being wasted in a system they don't fit into. The GM and the scouts figured they could pound a square peg into a round hole; hey that guy's talented, he should be able to adjust! And it doesn't happen. One reason I'm optimistic about Dallas's past couple drafts is that I don't see our GM and scouts doing this any longer. The past 3 drafts have been slow and steady as she goes, no need for some extravagant, exotic maneuvering. They are finding people that fit into the system they have a clear idea of, and are coaching them up to play in it.

And that's the best case scenario.
 
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drawandstrike said:
I gotta admit, I'm not the draftophile I was a few years ago, where'd I'd pore over the draft sites and know the names of the top 100 prospects. I got super busy during the recent COVID unpleasantness and so my last big draft study was 2019.

What I do now is study the candidates **after** they are drafted or signed by the Cowboys. And I am impressed by the job the scouting staff has done. They have been able to find 'those guys' nobody drafted and get them signed early. I've been impressed by the scouts since the Miles Austin days. Somehow they have consistently found these guys and brought them and coached them up. Cole Beasley was one of the more recent examples, along with Cooper Rush, who I am very glad Dallas resigned.

The draft is a crap shoot after you get past the 3rd round. And of course "can't miss" prospects in those first 3 rounds miss all the time. What people need to remember is the sheer size of the draft class and the fact that about 1/2 of the teams in this league have no real idea how to evaluate talent, and/or coach it up once they land it. A lot of very good college football players get drafted by NFL staffs that never coach them up to anywhere near their potential. They end up drafting a guy for a need, then try to make him fit their 'system'. Some guys get lucky after never doing anything for the team that drafted them, then they go to another team and 'catch fire'. That's often because the original team wasn't using them right.

The very first thing that has to happen is that the scout team and the coaching staff has to have a CRYSTAL CLEAR IDEA what system they are running and what kind of players they need to bring in and coach up in that system. The number of teams out there where there's disconnect somewhere between the owner-GM-coaching staff-scouting staff is probably well over 1/2 the league. So out of 32 teams maybe only 12-10 have any real idea what they're doing from the top down, from the owner to the scouting staff.

I've spent some time going over the available videos of the FA guys we've signed so far. I'm happy to report the Cowboys are indeed one of those 10-12 teams that know what they are doing.

The common perception of the general public is that there's a huge dropoff of talent in the NCAA CFB ranks after you get past the 100th prospect or so. Maybe in the olden days, but not anymore. Every class of draftees the pool is massive, and year sees deep talent at particular positions. After 7 rounds of drafting and maybe 24 OT's taken, is there really that much of a drop off between that 24th and 25th guy? Not if you have the right kind of coaching staff.

The big names, the top 10 prospects that go in the first 2 rounds at each position get all the national hoopla, the TV face time, etc. But after you get past the top 10 guys at each position you've entered the territory where the real hard work in scouting begins. And I've learned there a massive amount of undrafted talent out there if you know where to look, and know what you are looking FOR. You're not looking for instant starters in FA once the draft ends; you're looking for talent with certain abilities and skills that you know will benefit from a year or 2 of coaching in your system and then become contributors.

A lot of scouts are good at assessing the strengths/weaknesses of a prospect in a generalized sense. What a great scout can do is look at that prospect and 'see' that within the system his team is utilizing currently, how those strengths and weaknesses make him a good or bad prospect for HIS system.

Countless times I see players drafted who end up being wasted in a system they don't fit into. The GM and the scouts figured they could pound a square peg into a round hole; hey that guy's talented, he should be able to adjust! And it doesn't happen. One reason I'm optimistic about Dallas's past couple drafts is that I don't see our GM and scouts doing this any longer. The past 3 drafts have been slow and steady as she goes, no need for some extravagant, exotic maneuvering. They are finding people that fit into the system they have a clear idea of, and are coaching them up to play in it.

And that's the best case scenario.
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Great post man. Should be it’s own thread.
 
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Zekeats said:
They shoulda drafted him. This is the crap that pisses me off cause every smart fan here knows hes gonna make the team and you coulda lost him in the 6-7th if someone else took him. They shoulda just drafted him over some bum WR who will not make the team. Lucky we got him.
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1. The evidence runs counter to your conclusion. That they got him suggests, to the contrary, they knew exactly what they were doing. At least, in his case.
2. He likely wasn't drafted because of his shoulder injury that ended his season early, and for which he's still in rehab.
 
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I still think its hard for a FB to make the team.for example if is in the 53 then either we only keep 3 TEs(most likely) or keep 5 WRs.
 
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McC wants badly to have that kind of asset on the team, so guys like Jamize Olawale and Ryan Nall keep getting signed, but ultimately it's true, they really don't ever become such important assets that they stick.
 
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Lucky if one or two of these guys make the practice squad. Much less the roster. But you never know. Hopefully we can get a home run surprise somewhere here.
 
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Starforever said:
Not a good blocker.
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From what I’ve read he’s good in pass protecting but not a big banger in run blocking
But we can always put Mazi in the backfield on short yardage lol
He would be quicker to the hole than Zeke was
 
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IceStar-D7 said:
Lucky if one or two of these guys make the practice squad. Much less the roster. But you never know. Hopefully we can get a home run surprise somewhere here.
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Several will make PS
A couple will get put on IR, our other PS
And a couple could make the roster
When you give an UDFA a huge signing bonus he’s gonna stick around somehow
 
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We passed on Hendon Hooker and Will Levis. This team is dumb, 26 years and counting DUMB
 
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