Update on our rushing game compared to rest of league

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We're going to run the ball with Romo out. Atlanta's defense isn't as good as Philly's. Hopefully Leary can go or LC plays in place of 73. 70 needs to step up his game.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

About 8 penalties total (5 on Eagles) and 95% of the plays were in shotgun. The ratio of pass to throw didn't even out until Romo got hurt and Weeden was inserted. When Romo got hurt, we had called 29 passes of the 44 plays run. Thats 66% passes with a drive that 14 passes to 1 run. It's the same statistical resemblance of 2010-13 play calls.

Had Romo not been injured, I have no doubt the same playcalling trend would have continued and the 33 rushing attempts wouldn't have been as high with Romo finishing. For the first 2 weeks, we have seen a similar Romo-led plan/trend to the 8-8 seasons when some said we didn't abandon the run either.

That was the drive right before halftime right in a time driven situation.?

And most of that 66% were in one drive it seems you are using random statistics to prove a point.

I vividly remember us running a lot in the 3rd quarter so this idea that we abandoned the run is not supported especially considering Weeden through it 7 times.

 

[Doc50]

And I believe our running game would be improved with Murray over Randle and McFadden.
Was I in support of signing McFadden? No. Since I was in support of listening to Romo and Dez and Michael Irvin and Emmitt Smith and Nate Newton ect I was in support of resigning Murray. I don't buy the story of signing Murray would mean we didn't get to sign Hardy. It's a story some try to use to make themselves feel better about losing Murray.

I understand it's not all about the RB...the difference is I also understand that it's also not all about the offensive line. At this level everyone is too talented and coaches are too good. You can't come at them with any weaknesses or they will make you pay. It's the combo and synergy between Murray and the OL that made us so successful.

One has to wonder if Romo would be injured today if we had kept Murray. We can't ever know for sure.

If Murray was still here and on the bench with a hammy, his stats would start to look bad in a hurry.

Remember, a big factor in the non-signing was his potential for injury due to past history and the beating he took last year.

The stats are almost meaningless -- different team, different situation, and not something we should be overly concerned about. Both parties have moved on, and perhaps we should, too.

I still think the FO made the right business decision.

 

[Doomsday101]

If Murray was still here and on the bench with a hammy, his stats would start to look bad in a hurry.

Remember, a big factor in the non-signing was his potential for injury due to past history and the beating he took last year.

The stats are almost meaningless -- different team, different situation, and not something we should be overly concerned about. Both parties have moved on, and perhaps we should, too.

I still think the FO made the right business decision.

I agree that the FO made the right move, on the other side however the job now belongs to Randle and he needs to step up. He talked the talk he has not walked the walk. 3.4 is not going to cut it, he talked of meat on the bone? hell you can't even see the bone there is a ton of meat on it. He needs to get it done or the coaches need to replace him as starter.

 

[50cent]

No we did not start every game with big chucks but we were getting better than we have thus far. I do agree penalties will effect how much you can run. We had 18 most on offense, it is hard to run on a 1st and 20 or 2nd and 15. However Randle is the lead RB at a 3.4 avg that is not going to cut it. He needs to pick it up and start producing, if he does Dallas will run the ball.

What exactly did Randle do wrong production wise vs the Giants? He was averaging 4 a pop and still couldn't get the ball more. And don't tell me its because we were down, circumstances dictated more pass vs NYG or we were in 2 minute offense 4 times. I've already shown that we werent down by more than one score until 8 min in the 4th. I also showed how weve passed in every goal to go situation this year including the first drive of the season, when there was no evidence that the run was "broken"! What did we do? Pass! It's first and goal from the 2 on the first drive of the season and we passed. There was a chance to run more!

How can we judge the unit or backs with so few opportunities throughout the game to make an imprint on the outcome? This is more about commitment again, than anything being broken or needing to produce better with limited chances!

 

[Doomsday101]

What exactly did Randle do wrong production wise vs the Giants? He was averaging 4 a pop and still couldn't get the ball more. And don't tell me its because we were down, circumstances dictated more pass vs NYG or we were in 2 minute offense 4 times. I've already shown that we werent down by more than one score until 8 min in the 4th. I also showed how weve passed in every goal to go situation this year including the first drive of the season, when there was no evidence that the run was "broken"! What did we do? Pass! It's first and goal from the 2 on the first drive of the season and we passed. There was a chance to run more!

How can we judge the unit or backs with so few opportunities throughout the game to make an imprint on the outcome? This is more about commitment again, than anything being broken or needing to produce better with limited chances!

sorry 2 scores down with 8 min left even when you score you have to kick off to the other team. We won with 7 second on the clock. So yes being down 2 scores does impact your ability to run.
Overall Randle on 1st down is not getting much and leaving us in longer yardage situation this is why Dallas has been getting the ball in the hands of the RB via the pass. I'm not happy with the run and at 3.4 you can spin it how you want but that is poor. Hell he avg 6.7 when he got 3 carries a game bottom line Randle is not getting it done and yes Dallas will run more once someone show they can handle the job. He got 18 carries vs Philly for a 2.8 come on

 

[50cent]

That was the drive right before halftime right in a time driven situation.?

And most of that 66% were in one drive it seems you are using random statistics to prove a point.

I vividly remember us running a lot in the 3rd quarter so this idea that we abandoned the run is not supported especially considering Weeden through it 7 times.

Are you saying a drive that started with 5 minutes remaining on the clock in the 1st half is a time driven situation? This explains everything to me now. We are in hurry up with 5 minutes on the clock? With timeouts and a 2-minute warning 3 minutes down the road?

Those runs you saw in the third are the one that came after Romo injury! 29 passes , 15 runs. What changed after the Romo injury that couldn't have been done before? The score hadn't excpet for anSTscore in our favor. Those 29 passes accounted for a total of 6 points, but the run game needs to be tweaked?! Same for Giants game, 6 points at half with a pass first plan and somehow the run game gets judged.

We are averaging 6 points in the first half with this plan and its the run game that's stalling our production and getting in the way of our high octane passing attack!

 

[Doomsday101]

Your statement we were not down by 2 score with 8:00 min left? It was 23 to 13 when we got the ball with 8:01 on the clock, we scored to make it 23 to 20 then kicked off to NY with 5:08 they score 3 point to make it 26 to 20 with 1:34 to play. We win 27 to 26 and kick off with 7 sec. Dallas was not going to run the ball late 2 scores down.

 

[50cent]

sorry 2 scores down with 8 min left even when you score you have to kick off to the other team. We won with 7 second on the clock. So yes being down 2 scores does impact your ability to run.
Overall Randle on 1st down is not getting much and leaving us in longer yardage situation this is why Dallas has been getting the ball in the hands of the RB via the pass. I'm not happy with the run and at 3.4 you can spin it how you want but that is poor. Hell he avg 6.7 when he got 3 carries a game bottom line Randle is not getting it done and yes Dallas will run more once someone show they can handle the job. He got 18 carries vs Philly for a 2.8 come on

I never said that we wouldn't pass more under that situation but you keep forgetting the other 3.5 quarters. You're either lying or assuming about Randle and going on your blind memory. Randle has rushed 16 times this season on 1st and 10 and 11 of those have produced 2nd 7 or better. That's 69% of the time, Randle has put us in a manageable or favorable position on 2nd down if not producing a first down in the process. DMC is performing at 67% clip of producing 2nd and 7 or better.

You keep harping on 3.7 average but don't acknowledge he was averaging 4 a pop after game one. Not 6.7, but not bad either.

 

[50cent]

Your statement we were not down by 2 score with 8:00 min left? It was 23 to 13 when we got the ball with 8:01 on the clock, we scored to make it 23 to 20 then kicked off to NY with 5:08 they score 3 point to make it 26 to 20 with 1:34 to play. We win 27 to 26 and kick off with 7 sec. Dallas was not going to run the ball late 2 scores down.

We were down 16-13 until that point. That was our second possession only trailing 3. There was ample opportunity to run before the Street int. We werent down 2 scores or any in any panic mode for most of the game but still decided to go pass first throughout the game and that led to the 23-13 deficit and forcing us to pass even more with 8 to go!

 

[Doomsday101]

I never said that we wouldn't pass more under that situation but you keep forgetting the other 3.5 quarters. You're either lying or assuming about Randle and going on your blind memory. Randle has rushed 16 times this season on 1st and 10 and 11 of those have produced 2nd 7 or better. That's 69% of the time, Randle has put us in a manageable or favorable position on 2nd down if not producing a first down in the process. DMC is performing at 67% clip of producing 2nd and 7 or better.

You keep harping on 3.7 average but don't acknowledge he was averaging 4 a pop after game one. Not 6.7, but not bad either.

So your happy with Randle play? Sorry I'm not. With this OL I expect more. hell he was the one talking about how Murray left meat on the bone? What has he done. A long run of 15 that is it. He has done well in the passing game as have Dunbar and McFadden which is likely why we are seeing more passing to the RB.

 

[Doomsday101]

We were down 16-13 until that point. That was our second possession only trailing 3. There was ample opportunity to run before the Street int. We werent down 2 scores or any in any panic mode for most of the game but still decided to go pass first throughout the game and that led to the 23-13 deficit and forcing us to pass even more with 8 to go!

yes and moved the ball, Dallas moved the ball all night, turnovers hurt us and killed drives. Heck out 1st drive on the night 17 plays 10:27 off the clock. Dallas ran the ball 22 times until the 8:01 mark of the 4th qrt.

 

[50cent]

So your happy with Randle play? Sorry I'm not. With this OL I expect more. hell he was the one talking about how Murray left meat on the bone? What has he done. A long run of 15 that is it. He has done well in the passing game as have Dunbar and McFadden which is likely why we are seeing more passing to the RB.

I said the same about Murray pre 2014 and ill do the same for Randle. I can not judge them on effectiveness on so few opportunities. Nor the line! I'm indifferent on Randle now because I see we've resorted back to the pass first debacles from 2010-13. I don't blame the line either until they are given an opportunity to maul teams 18-20 times for the first three quarter and then some more in the fourth.

 

[50cent]

yes and moved the ball, Dallas moved the ball all night, turnovers hurt us and killed drives. Heck out 1st drive on the night 17 plays 10:27 off the clock. Dallas ran the ball 22 times until the 8:01 mark of the 4th qrt.

Same thing I heard 2010-13. Great offensive stats, not scoring enough to match offensive production and 8-8 finishes. Dallas ran the ball 20 times to RBS through 3 qtrs, 2 to Romo and not all 20 to Randle. We had zero runs in the 4th vs NYG.

 

[Doomsday101]

I said the same about Murray pre 2014 and ill do the same for Randle. I can not judge them on effectiveness on so few opportunities. Nor the line! I'm indifferent on Randle now because I see we've resorted back to the pass first debacles from 2010-13. I don't blame the line either until they are given an opportunity to maul teams 18-20 times for the first three quarter and then some more in the fourth.

Randle is getting about what Dallas was going to give him 16 in 1 game and 18 the next he is not going to carry the rock 25 times a game. That was the ideal RBBC in 2 games Dallas has rushed the ball 56 times that is an avg of 28 carries per game

 

[Doomsday101]

Same thing I heard 2010-13. Great offensive stats, not scoring enough to match offensive production and 8-8 finishes. Dallas ran the ball 20 times to RBS through 3 qtrs, 2 to Romo and not all 20 to Randle. We had zero runs in the 4th vs NYG.

Then they need to run the ball better, you may not like it but Randle 3.7 (yes I will harp on that) and McFadden 2.9 is not getting it done that is why more passes to the RB to get them out on the edge.
As for 0 runs in 4th qrt kind of true, last play of the 3rd qrt Dallas ran Randle for 2 yards on 1st. next drive handoff to McFadden -2 yards the next possession was at the 8:01 mark down by 2 score

 

[Beast_from_East]

Don't forget the receiving yards by the RBs.

This year: Total 18 for 211

2014 first 2 games: Total 7 for 52

Exactly........in fact 73% our offensive plays this year are passes

 

[50cent]

Randle is getting about what Dallas was going to give him 16 in 1 game and 18 the next he is not going to carry the rock 25 times a game. That was the ideal RBBC in 2 games Dallas has rushed the ball 56 times that is an avg of 28 carries per game

Misleading boss. 5 of those are from QBS. SO Weve run our RBs 51 times (1 to Randle) in 2 gmaes and 14 came after the Romo injury with Weeden in. Thats a big disparity of pass to run in the least of a game. Those averages have been masked by the runs with Weeden and don't tell the GAMEPLAN story!

 

[DFWJC]

Now that week 2 is in the books, we have a little bit bigger sample size since 12.5% of the season has been played. I thought it would be interesting to track how our running game is going in comparison to the rest of the league each week with this being the first entry.

We are currently 20th in rushing offense at 94.5 yards per game.

Last season we averaged 147.1 yards rushing per game, which was 2nd in the NFL behind only Seattle.

So using my UT education I calculate that to be a difference of 52.6 yards less per game we are currently rushing for. Too early to tell exactly why we are struggling running the ball (dropping from #2 to #20), could be injuries affecting how teams play us, could be teams better game planning for us now that they have a year's worth of tape on our line and their tendencies, or it could be that we lost our bellcow and have replaced him with 2nd tier running backs rotating on a committee basis. Time will obviously tell.

We really need to start running the ball a lot better now that Romo is out. We don't have to be #2 in the league again, but we need to be better than #20 considering how many high draft picks were spent on this line.

How about apples and apples......

Philadelphia

2015 Game 1
113 yards
3.4 ypc

2014 Game 1
93 yards
3.7 ypc

2014 Game 2
115 yard
2.7 ypc

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's totally knee jerk. The first game the Cowboys were playing from behind and the 2nd game there were 33 rush attempts and 34 pass attempts so they did not resort to a pass over running as you stated.

Everybody has played two games bro, and we are 20th in rushing

That is not knee jerk, it's a fact