Update: Shots fired outside Capitol building as police chase ends

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Phoenix said:
Yep, saw the videos. We will just disagree then.
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Did i say something that you don't think happened? Did i get some of the info wrong?

Or is it just that you don't think a crazed person using a vehicle as a weapon and endangering the life of a one year old multiple times, along with many other innocent people, doesn't deserve to be stopped by any means necessary?
 
CowboyMcCoy said:
Hilarious, but very telling about your level of awareness. Keep licking those boots!
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Im aware that a crazy lady put a whole bunch of people's lives in danger with her actions, including her 1 year old kid.

What are you aware of that i am not.. oh wise McCoy? You of the "protest things before we know what exactly happened" awareness.

lol
 
RoyTheHammer said:
Im aware that a crazy lady put a whole bunch of people's lives in danger with her actions, including her 1 year old kid.

What are you aware of that i am not.. oh wise McCoy? You of the "protest things before we know what exactly happened" awareness.

lol
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She was an unarmed woman; that's all I need to know.

By the way, how do those boots taste?
 
CowboyMcCoy said:
She was an unarmed woman; that's all I need to know.

By the way, how do those boots taste?
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Only in your head, could you think a woman driving a 2000 ton mass of steel and metal crazily around one of the most heavily pedestrian areas in our country was "unarmed".

A crazy person behind the wheel of a vehicle is one of the most dangerous weapons i can think of and she could have hurt/killed MANY MANY people with how reckless she was behaving.

Not to mention her child could have been killed the second she rammed her car into that first barricade. At that point, i couldn't care less if she was shot for putting that child's life in danger like that.

But no no, you keep defending the idiots.. i'm sure you think you are out there with a noble purpose.

"Sure, this lady tried to run over several police officers.. sure she hit a few and injured them.. sure she ran head on into a barricade outside the White House and tried to break through it.. sure she had a 1 year old child in the car while ramming into these barricades and police cruisers and leading police on a high speed chase.. sure officers had no idea what her intentions were after using her vehicle as a weapon around all of these pedestrians and national monuments..

..but i mean, they brutually shot and murdered this defenseless woman. She's the true victim here."

lol
 
Well, Roy, I hope you feel safer with the unarmed, ill woman off the streets. She was a true threat to security.... Let me know when you actually start thinking.
 
Good thing they did that. That one year old was a severe threat to national security. I suspect that baby has moved up into the top 10 most wanted lists.
 
Pretty unfortunate situation all around.

I don't know what I think about the whole thing. I don't think she had any intention of actually trying to hurt someone. Sounds like she was having a psychotic episode and she looked to be panicked and fearful of whatever delusion she was having.

Should they have shot her, I dunno. There are car chases all the time where someone isn't shot at the wheel. That said she likely wasn't aware of what she was doing and many more lives were at stake with her driving around recklessly. I think they probably could have ended the situation without killing her but who knows at what cost. I can't fault them for taking the action they did but I do wish it would have ended differently because she likely wasn't even aware of what she was doing.
 
Hoofbite said:
Pretty unfortunate situation all around.

I don't know what I think about the whole thing. I don't think she had any intention of actually trying to hurt someone. Sounds like she was having a psychotic episode and she looked to be panicked and fearful of whatever delusion she was having.

Should they have shot her, I dunno. There are car chases all the time where someone isn't shot at the wheel. That said she likely wasn't aware of what she was doing and many more lives were at stake with her driving around recklessly. I think they probably could have ended the situation without killing her but who knows at what cost. I can't fault them for taking the action they did but I do wish it would have ended differently because she likely wasn't even aware of what she was doing.
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That pretty much sums it up for me too. It didn't help matters that this happened at our Capitol, especially during a shut-down, tensions are high.
 
Considering that the woman was unarmed and mentally ill, anyone who values life, should feel some sort of sadness for the woman who was killed. But with that being said, I don't fault the police for what they did. Any hesitation could've resulted in someone else's death.
 
CowboyMcCoy said:
Well, Roy, I hope you feel safer with the unarmed, ill woman off the streets. She was a true threat to security.... Let me know when you actually start thinking.
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Honestly, McCoy.. you just clearly don't have the mental capacity to understand simple logic.

Why don't you go ask your local judge why the officers that were shooting at her aren't being cited and charged for misconduct..

That being said, i do feel much better with the child not being in her custody anymore. Its a miracle the kid wasn't hurt/killed.

Let me know when you stop thinking.. because you thinking that you have more awareness that most of the general public is nothing more than an amusement for those on the board here.

That's been apparent since your last "protest" thread when you openly admitted you didn't even know the details of what you were protesting.

..and now again when apparently a woman who is using her car as a battering ram against other human beings and public property, all the while with a baby in the car with her, is an innocent victim of police brutality.

lol.. good show, man.
 
Hoofbite said:
Pretty unfortunate situation all around.

I don't know what I think about the whole thing. I don't think she had any intention of actually trying to hurt someone. Sounds like she was having a psychotic episode and she looked to be panicked and fearful of whatever delusion she was having.

Should they have shot her, I dunno. There are car chases all the time where someone isn't shot at the wheel. That said she likely wasn't aware of what she was doing and many more lives were at stake with her driving around recklessly. I think they probably could have ended the situation without killing her but who knows at what cost. I can't fault them for taking the action they did but I do wish it would have ended differently because she likely wasn't even aware of what she was doing.
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I don't understand those who say they should have maybe not shot her because she probably wasn't aware of what she was doing and she might not have intended to hurt anyone.

How does that matter when the person is doing what she was doing? Whether she meant to do anything, she was driving into barricades in front of major US landmarks, driving recklessly around MANY pedestrians, ramming into police cruisers, and she would have ran over several policemen as well, if they didn't jump out of the way in time. She already hit a couple officers who had to be taken to the hospital for their injuries.

She's endangering a child, she's literally running down human beings, running into barricades, resisting arrest, and honestly, she could have had a car bomb strapped underneath as well.. which would have explained why she was trying to go through the barries in front of the white house and capitol.

Police officers (not to mention those currently not being paid to deal with these psychos) don't have the benefit of hindsight like those of us who sit on the internet and criticize them. For the threat to human life she was causing, and how long she was resisting arrest.. i can't imagine how anyone could have a problem with officers having to end it when they did. Many more people could have been hurt/killed if they hadn't put a stop to it, and i'd much rather explain to this woman's family why she's no longer on this planet than try to explain to an innocent bystanders family why they no longer have their loved one with us.
 
RoyTheHammer said:
I don't understand those who say they should have maybe not shot her because she probably wasn't aware of what she was doing and she might not have intended to hurt anyone.
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That's not really what I was getting at.

I think they could have ended it without shooting her because car chases happen all the time and do not end with gunfire.

I wish they would have ended it differently because she was not aware of what she was doing.

How does that matter when the person is doing what she was doing? Whether she meant to do anything, she was driving into barricades in front of major US landmarks, driving recklessly around MANY pedestrians, ramming into police cruisers, and she would have ran over several policemen as well, if they didn't jump out of the way in time. She already hit a couple officers who had to be taken to the hospital for their injuries.

She's endangering a child, she's literally running down human beings, running into barricades, resisting arrest, and honestly, she could have had a car bomb strapped underneath as well.. which would have explained why she was trying to go through the barries in front of the white house and capitol.
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I'm aware of what she was doing and the danger it posed. That's why I acknowledge the potential cost of ending the situation in a manner other than gunfire. That said I'm not going to act like police firing rounds with the same pedestrians and same child in the car doesn't present it's own risks.

Do I feel they made a responsible decision? Yes.

Do I feel they could have made other responsible decisions? Yes.

Could alternative endings have been worse? Sure, but this ending could have been just as bad. What if the kid was shot and killed instead of the mother?

We could hypothetical all day and it wouldn't get anyone anywhere. I understand the decision that was made but knowing that she was likely schizophrenic, I wish it would have ended another way.

Police officers (not to mention those currently not being paid to deal with these psychos) don't have the benefit of hindsight like those of us who sit on the internet and criticize them. For the threat to human life she was causing, and how long she was resisting arrest.. i can't imagine how anyone could have a problem with officers having to end it when they did. Many more people could have been hurt/killed if they hadn't put a stop to it, and i'd much rather explain to this woman's family why she's no longer on this planet than try to explain to an innocent bystanders family why they no longer have their loved one with us.
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I don't have a problem with the officers ending it how they did, which is why I said I don't fault them. Not having a problem with the outcome though doesn't mean that I can't wish that it would have ended differently.
 
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Hoofbite said:
That's not really what I was getting at.

I think they could have ended it without shooting her because car chases happen all the time and do not end with gunfire.

I wish they would have ended it differently because she was not aware of what she was doing.



I'm aware of what she was doing and the danger it posed. That's why I acknowledge the potential cost of ending the situation in a manner other than gunfire. That said I'm not going to act like police firing rounds with the same pedestrians and same child in the car doesn't present it's own risks.

Do I feel they made a responsible decision? Yes.

Do I feel they could have made other responsible decisions? Yes.

Could alternative endings have been worse? Sure, but this ending could have been just as bad. What if the kid was shot and killed instead of the mother?

We could hypothetical all day and it wouldn't get anyone anywhere. I understand the decision that was made but knowing that she was likely schizophrenic, I wish it would have ended another way.



I don't have a problem with the officers ending it how they did, which is why I said I don't fault them. Not having a problem with the outcome though doesn't mean that I can't wish that it would have ended differently.
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Completely understandable perspective.. and it is sad that her life had to be taken, but it was necessary for the amount of danger she was presenting to so many other innocent people, imo.

What's sad is that people with mental illness don't get the treatment they need in this country alot of the time.
 
Vintage said:
Good thing they did that. That one year old was a severe threat to national security. I suspect that baby has moved up into the top 10 most wanted lists.
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It was an assault baby. Those are banned. :p
 
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