Updated scenario please?

[yesfan]

Next week

Carolina (10-5, Road: 5-2) 1:00 pm EST
at
Atlanta (8-7, Home: 4-3)

 

[Qwickdraw]

If Washington gets the first wild card, we'd be involved in the tiebreaker for the second wild card. So it's possible that three teams from the NFC East could make the playoffs.

You guys are forgetting that once the tiebreaker for the first wild card is resolved, that particular tiebreaker is dissolved. Once Washington gets in at 10-6, we'd be in the tiebreaker for the second wild card.

So each seed is looked at independently?

I heard that A tie with a division opponent eliminates you automatically, prior to comparing to any other team's records.

 

[Homerun Trot]

Next week

Carolina (10-5, Road: 5-2) 1:00 pm EST
at
Atlanta (8-7, Home: 4-3)

Too bad Smith couldn't be suspended for another game, he'll be angry after today. Hopefully, Atl will trail Hall after him and double him alot like us.

It's also a shame Vick isn't a legit pro bowl qb.

 

[Kangaroo]

Eeek the eagles are losing to AZ and the Commanders are in a zone that is not good odds for us

 

[wick]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

If the Commanders get the first wild card, we'd be involved in the tiebreaker for the second wild card.

I don't see anything in the rule stating that eliminated teams are then re-pooled prior to the next tiebreaker iteration. Short of that, I'm interpreting eliminated exactly as is commonly understood.

 

[goshan]

Quickdraw.

If Carolina loses, Tampa Wins Division.

Assuming everyone else in contention wins.

The following teams will finish 10-6, tied for both wild card spots:
1. Wash
2. Dal
3. Minn
4. Carolina

Wash gets the 1st wild card leaving Dal, Minn and Carolina.

For the 2nd wild card, the tie breakers are re-applied, meaning Dal gets the second.

 

[AdamJT13]

So each seed is looked at independently?

I heard that A tie with a division opponent eliminates you automatically, prior to comparing to any other team's records.

The two wild cards are looked at independently. Once the first wild card is decided, all of the other teams are thrown back into the pot, and a new tiebreaker is applied.

So, if a tiebreaker is Washington-Minnesota-Carolina, and Washington wins, the next tiebreaker IS NOT Minnesota-Carolina. It's Dallas-Minnesota-Carolina.

 

[Dallas22]

Exactly... If the Skins OR Panthers lose AND we win, then we are in. At least that is what I think it is.

First tie breaker in a more than 2-team race for a Wild-Card spot goes by each individual division first. This would mean that (if Washington wins and Carolina loses, amking all 3 teams 10-6) the Skins would be in front of us for the 1st wild-card spot because they swept us; thus giving the Panthers and Skins a 2-team race for the first WC spot. I think Washington wins this, so they would get the 5th seed, with 1 spot open and the Cowboys and Panthers left. Because the Skins would already be in, then they would NOT be in the "group" of teams fighting for the final spot and taken out of the tie-breaking procedure. That would leave the Cowboys and Panthers and tie-breaker goes to head-to-head first, meaning we would be the Panthers and get the 6th seed.

Even if Tampa Loses to New Orleans and ends up tied with the Panthers, Tampa has the tie-breaker over Carolina and still wins the South (just like the Cowboys-Skins tie-breaking procedure in the East). Of course, IF the Skins get upset by the eaGALS and WE win, then we are in the playoffs no matter what, because we would have a better record than the Skins outright. It doesn't matter if the Panters AND Bucs win because 1 will then win the divison and the other woudl get the WC with us.

It is a bit complicated and I'm not 100% sure about all of this, especially if Minnesota wins out, among other things. We shall see, but the Cowboys have 1 more week of life left. Obviously, by the time our game comes around next Sunday night, we will know what we HAVE to do to even have a chance to get in.

One last question, IF we lose to St. Louis, is there ANY way that we can sneak into the playoffs??? I highly doubt it, in fact I'm just about sure of it, but I am just curious if that is possible.

GO FALCONS, GO EAGALS and of course, GO COWBOYS!!!

Dallas22

 

[EveryoneElse]

What I be right if I said 3 teams from one division cannot make the playoffs?

If The giants win next week, and the skins win.....doesn't that automatically eliminatet us?

The way I understand it, Washington has to lose in order for us to make the playoffs.

 

[kojak]

does anyone know for sure what the deal is????

I guess not, but my neck is sore from the head spinning I get trying to read these scenario's. But I will take the fact that there is still a chance we can clinch a wildcard spot next week in the final game. At least were still in the hunt.

But since those games will be played before our game. We will already know our own fate before we play. Just hope the pressure doesn't stir the pot if we need a win....

 

[CrazyCowboy]

What a great win for our team today!

 

[koolaid]

if someone asks the same question again i am going to cry

 

[Hostile]

if someone asks the same question again i am going to cry

Fight it man. It's coming.

 

[AdamJT13]

I don't see anything in the rule stating that eliminated teams are then re-pooled prior to the next tiebreaker iteration. Short of that, I'm interpreting eliminated exactly as is commonly understood.

"Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers."

In other words, once a tiebreaker is decided, a new tiebreaker starts over at Step 1. And Step 1 is --

"1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. "

So, if Washington gets the first wild card, Step 1 of the next tiebreaker would include us (we'd be the highest ranked club remaining in the East). The next tiebreaker WOULD NOT start at Step 2.

 

[AdamJT13]

"Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers."

In other words, once a tiebreaker is decided, a new tiebreaker starts over at Step 1. And Step 1 is --

"1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. "

So, if Washington gets the first wild card, Step 1 of the next tiebreaker would include us (we'd be the highest ranked club remaining in the East). The next tiebreaker WOULD NOT start at Step 2.

For an example of this, look at the 1994 standings. Dallas, Minnesota and San Francisco won the three NFC divisions. Four teams tied at 9-7 for only three wild card spots -- the Giants, Green Bay, Chicago and Detroit. In the NFC Central, Green Bay took second place based on head-to-head over Detroit and Chicago, Detroit finished third based on the division tiebreaker over Chicago, and Chicago finished fourth.

If tiebreakers did not start over, after Green Bay beat the Giants in the first tiebreaker (conference record), the Giants would have had to get the second wild card. But they didn't. They went into a tiebreaker with Detroit, and Detroit won that based on head-to-head. The next tiebreaker was Chicago against the Giants, and Chicago won that based on common opponents. So the FOURTH place team in the Central got the third wild card over the second place team in the East.

 

[Dallas22]

What I be right if I said 3 teams from one division cannot make the playoffs?

If The giants win next week, and the skins win.....doesn't that automatically eliminatet us?

The way I understand it, Washington has to lose in order for us to make the playoffs.

Nope... Giants can win the East, Washington would be the 5th seed (WC) and the Cowboys would be the 6th seed (WC) - IF the Skins beat the eaGALS and Atlanta beats the Panthers... oh, and we HAVE to beat the Rams.

Dallas22

 

[Kevinicus]

Quick question. If the Giants lose, and the Skins win next week, that would give the Skins the division correct? Now if Tampa lost to NO, their Conf. Record would be 8-4, same as the Giants. Who wins in a tie breaker between them? I'm too lazy to check the remaining steps. If NY would win that, wouldn't that give us the extra scenario of:

A Dallas Win AND a NY Loss AND a Tampa Loss?

Since NY would then take the 5th seed ahead of Tampa and leave us to do our tie breakers against them, which we win? I don't know if anyone has checked on the Giants/TB tie breaker scenarios.

Edit: I just saw Adam's thread on this.

 

[Dallas22]

I was thinking about that also... because if the Giants, TB and us are all tied, with the Skins winning the division, the Giants STILL beat us when we go to the 5th seed (WC). Then the Bucs and Giants would go against each other in tie-breakers, and IF the Bucs beat the Giants for the 5th seed, then we would lose the 6th seed to the Giants. This would suck!

So basically, if the Bucs beat the Giants for the 5th seed, we are out (as stated above, the Giants would beat us for the 6th spot)... but if the Giants beat out the Bucs for the 5th seed, then would WE beat the Bucs as well for the 6th seed???

Help

Thanks

GO COWBOYS!!!

Dallas22

 

[TheEnigma]

I was thinking about that also... because if the Giants, TB and us are all tied, with the Skins winning the division, the Giants STILL beat us when we go to the 5th seed (WC). Then the Bucs and Giants would go against each other in tie-breakers, and IF the Bucs beat the Giants for the 5th seed, then we would lose the 6th seed to the Giants. This would suck!

So basically, if the Bucs beat the Giants for the 5th seed, we are out (as stated above, the Giants would beat us for the 6th spot)... but if the Giants beat out the Bucs for the 5th seed, then would WE beat the Bucs as well for the 6th seed???

Help

Thanks

GO COWBOYS!!!

Dallas22

That is Correct

 

[Tio]

So basically, on sunday we are rooting for the falcons and eagles?