Upon further review, give the O line an O for owful

[Idgit]

Stupid and lazy but big and fat has nothing to do with it. Our guards are very athletic and Columbo is pretty good in space. BUT, there are only a handful of lineman ever (Larry Allen) that are huge and can move well enough to be effective in a complex run scheme.

This is a huge powerful line, and Garrett tries to play finesse football with them.

It would be like trying to throw a jump ball to Wes Welker, or having Ray Lewis cover Greg Jennings in the slot. They are both great players, but that's not what they're built to do.

Bill Belichek is the best coach in the league not because he cheats, but he takes players off the street, finds what they are good at, and puts them in the position to do that. He doesn't try to bend them to his scheme, but alters his scheme to fit the players that he has. Garrett is not capable of that.

I don't believe for a second that an accomplished line coach like Hauck is going to let Garrett run an offense where the blocking scheme doesn't match the personnel.

The problem with the line has been execution, and not scheme. And if Romo were not the QB, the significance of the problem would have been addressed a long time ago.

 

[Future]

I don't believe for a second that an accomplished line coach like Hauck is going to let Garrett run an offense where the blocking scheme doesn't match the personnel.

The problem with the line has been execution, and not scheme. And if Romo were not the QB, the significance of the problem would have been addressed a long time ago.

Every good QB makes their Oline look better, the pass protection is the least of this teams worries.

But when it comes to a scheme Hauck has no choice I woudln't think. Consistently failed execution means the scheme is not right for the players IMO.

 

[Idgit]

Every good QB makes their Oline look better, the pass protection is the least of this teams worries.

But when it comes to a scheme Hauck has no choice I woudln't think. Consistently failed execution means the scheme is not right for the players IMO.

Lots of good QBs don't have the skills to help out their OLs. Hauck wasn't taking this job with a mismatch of personnel and scheme

There are lots of reasons other than scheme for an OL to execute poorly. Whether it's bad line calls, or not rotating quickly enough, or not passing off to each other on stunts, we struggle with good defenses more than we should up front.

 

[Zaxor]

The OL has been at the heart of the problem for this team for a long time. I pre-dates Garrett by years, though, and we did almost nothing to address it during the offseason.

Between blown pickups and ineffective run blocking at crunch time, it's an issue. For some reason, we pretend the problem is play calling and usually like to blame the QB, instead, but the line was a primary reason we fell apart at the end of last season, too.

Yes sir.

 

[wileedog]

It will be interesting to see what transpires from here on out.

I think Columbo needs to get healed up for next year.I think Brewster and Free will push him next camp.

I think Davis is fine where he's at.

Gurode is most likely safe.

Kosier needs to be upgraded.He has good technique but isn't strong enough at the point of attack to blow someone off the ball.

Flo likely gets another year here but a replacement needs to be found sooner than later.

I think if they get more power on the left side it will help some.As it stands now Kosier and Adams can't blow anyone off the ball on a consistent basis.

Craig

Kosier is the only one with a clue and the most athletic of the bunch. The entire line collapsed last year when just Kosier was out of it.

Personally I'm done with big, dumb road graders. I'd like the whole line to be remodeled more in the lines of Kosier than Columbo or Gurode.

*edit* and ps, thank you Lord for the internet being anonymous...

 

[Future]

Lots of good QBs don't have the skills to help out their OLs. Hauck wasn't taking this job with a mismatch of personnel and scheme

Like who? Even Eli does.

There are times when Roethlisberger holds on to the ball too long, but other than that, good quarterbacks can either scramble or get rid of the ball.

Brady, Favre, Peyton, Brees, Romo, Rothlis, Rodgers, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb...heck even Jason Campbell

All of those quarterbacks either get rid of the ball quickly or can avoid pressure with their legs.

 

[craig71]

Kosier is the only one with a clue and the most athletic of the bunch. The entire line collapsed last year when just Kosier was out of it.

Personally I'm done with big, dumb road graders. I'd like the whole line to be remodeled more in the lines of Kosier than Columbo or Gurode.

*edit* and ps, thank you Lord for the internet being anonymous...

Kosier is the most mobile of the bunch,that is for sure.

They did seem to miss Kosier last year after he was lost to injury.

I just think that part of the problem with the line is that the parts are good enough.But the parts they have don't all go to the same car.They either need to go with a line built for power or they need to revamp and go for finesse.One or the other but not both.


Craig

 

[Idgit]

Like who? Even Eli does.

There are times when Roethlisberger holds on to the ball too long, but other than that, good quarterbacks can either scramble or get rid of the ball.

Brady, Favre, Peyton, Brees, Romo, Rothlis, Rodgers, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb...heck even Jason Campbell

All of those quarterbacks either get rid of the ball quickly or can avoid pressure with their legs.

All NFL quarterbacks, technically, have legs. That's about as far as you can go comparing that group. Brady's not mobile at all. He shifts in the pocket to buy time, but he'd be killed if he didn't get good protection. Rodgers' biggest problem is he takes sacks by holding onto the ball too long. Rothlisberger is big and he's really mobile for a big guy, but he gets hammered. Palmer is a great QB, but he's not mobile enough to help his line.

It has little to do with quarterbacking ability. There are great immobile QBs in the league, but all you have to do is remember back to how we protected Drew Bledsoe--and what an impact Romo had on our sack totals when he replaced him--to get the point. Romo makes this line look better in pass protection than it really is. We've got good numbers in the running game, but we also get a lot of explosive running plays. We're not a team that's able to impose its will on a defense by running it down their throat.

 

[Zaxor]

All NFL quarterbacks, technically, have legs. That's about as far as you can go comparing that group. Brady's not mobile at all. He shifts in the pocket to buy time, but he'd be killed if he didn't get good protection. Rodgers' biggest problem is he takes sacks by holding onto the ball too long. Rothlisberger is big and he's really mobile for a big guy, but he gets hammered. Palmer is a great QB, but he's not mobile enough to help his line.

It has little to do with quarterbacking ability. There are great immobile QBs in the league, but all you have to do is remember back to how we protected Drew Bledsoe--and what an impact Romo had on our sack totals when he replaced him--to get the point. Romo makes this line look better in pass protection than it really is. We've got good numbers in the running game, but we also get a lot of explosive running plays. We're not a team that's able to impose its will on a defense by running it down their throat.

Ain't that the truth

 

[canters]

Madden said that when a team has trouble blocking for the run, you should take a look at the guy playing center before the others.

 

[Doomsday101]

Giants were running a lot of run blitzes in the game that is why Dallas was not getting much of a push in the running game it is also the reason Romo put up almost 400 yards passing and 3 TD on the day. Giants were not going to allow the Cowboys to run the ball

 

[Kaika]

Giants were running a lot of run blitzes in the game that is why Dallas was not getting much of a push in the running game it is also the reason Romo put up almost 400 yards passing and 3 TD on the day. Giants were not going to allow the Cowboys to run the ball

 

[ravidubey]

Romo was pressured most of the day.

The ground game ground to a halt.

You make the call,

Someone ask Colombo's little nephew iffin he can come in and help these guys.
But seriously, my court-monitored Zone brothers, this is another Supreme Truth: Anyone who doesn't think we need O line help badly this offseason is not thinking clearly.

It was inevitable. Either Dallas' scouting department can't evaluate OL or Jerry Jones refuses to draft them when he should. I lean towards the latter, but there's evidence for both.

 

[Future]

All NFL quarterbacks, technically, have legs. That's about as far as you can go comparing that group. Brady's not mobile at all. He shifts in the pocket to buy time, but he'd be killed if he didn't get good protection. Rodgers' biggest problem is he takes sacks by holding onto the ball too long. Rothlisberger is big and he's really mobile for a big guy, but he gets hammered. Palmer is a great QB, but he's not mobile enough to help his line.

It has little to do with quarterbacking ability. There are great immobile QBs in the league, but all you have to do is remember back to how we protected Drew Bledsoe--and what an impact Romo had on our sack totals when he replaced him--to get the point. Romo makes this line look better in pass protection than it really is. We've got good numbers in the running game, but we also get a lot of explosive running plays. We're not a team that's able to impose its will on a defense by running it down their throat.

IMO, part of being a great quarterback is being able to avoid pressure. Just look at last night...Baltimore only had what, 2 sacks? But they were all over Rodgers the whole game.

You don't have to be an elusive quarterback to avoid pressure either. Brady and Manning do it by simply sliding somewhere else in the pocket.

Sure there are times when guys like Rodgers and Rothlis will hold the ball too long, but all of those quarterbacks make their OLine look betterfor the most part.

 

[TD-33]

but but but Marion Barber is the new "Barbie" and "we" should have run the ball more derhhhh

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It was inevitable. Either Dallas' scouting department can't evaluate OL or Jerry Jones refuses to draft them when he should. I lean towards the latter, but there's evidence for both.

You may be onto something there.

Jerra loves to bask in the glow of a T.O. or Williams or other marquee type players.
he doesn't see the O line, perhaps, as that critical because he might believe he can just develop talent if they have size. And an O lineman is not the sexy type of selection that will attract attention to jerra.
I did appreciate the Colombo and the Big signings but one is out and the other is just adequate.
He needs to realize the value of getting top-notch O linemen in the draft and developing them.

Still, I like Jerra's enthusiasm and would not trade him for another owner/GM aside from Kraft.