Upset about no Mendenhall? Why?

[AsthmaField]

People are upset because we passed on Mendenhall and took Jones. I can see no other reason why than because a bunch of "draft experts" said Mendenhall was going early.

Look at it this way: Felix was the one and only (last) scatback who also had the intagibles of a running back. He has great vision, balance, character, strength (for his size), run instincts and no history of injuries. The other scatback types either weren't known for having those intagibles or has some other major questions. C Johnson scared me to death because he only did it his last year and then he showed zero run instincts. Just when he got open, he would outrun the poor angles (that he won't see in the NFL). Charles has too much to list here that I didn't like.

So, if we wanted a quick, fast RB who also has the instincts, vision, etc. to be a standout... it was Felix or nobody. In other words... Felix was the only true RB who also was lightning quick and fast.

Now, look at Mendenhall and Tashard choice. The only difference between those two is flat out (straight line) speed and production in college. Mendenhall has more speed and Choice has more production.

Also, with Mendenhall, I've read things like: "has to figure out how badly he wants it" and "not really a competitor". Mendenhall has also been knocked for having straight line speed but no wiggle. Wiggle is what makes NFL backs, IMO, most of the time.

However, with Choice, I read things like: "Warrior mentality, great locker room presence, will make those around him work harder, a winner". He also has as much wiggle (more?) than Mendenhall.

Seriously, we were able to get a back who is similar to what Mendenhall would give us with a little less speed and much better intangibles. Plus, we were able to secure the only scatback in this draft that didn't have huge holes in his game.

The only reason on God's green earth for so many people (read: JJT and people here) to be upset that we passed on Mendenhall for Felix is because most draft publications and programs had him going ten picks before our 22nd.

Draft history alone should let everyone know not to put very much credence in what they say, for crying out loud.

We got the best fast/quick back in this draft (100 times better than Julius) and a player with twice the heart of Mendenhall and almost as much physical talent as him.

Why piss and moan? Because the "draft gurus" had him listed going to Detroit or Chicago? Please. And those teams (who needed a RB worse than we did) passed on Mendenhall for a reason.

We came out of this draft smelling like a rose.

 

[dooomsday]

You are pissing and moaning about folks pissing and moaning?

Its simple, Mendenhall was much more highly rated. Its pretty uncommon to select a specialist in the first. I like Jones myself. But you would have to have an agenda to get get why people are questioning it....

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Some folks are never happy. A lot of 'em know nothing about Jones or Mendenhall, but a chance to criticize the Cowboys decisions just can't be passed up.

 

[jobberone]

People are upset because we passed on Mendenhall and took Jones. I can see no other reason why than because a bunch of "draft experts" said Mendenhall was going early.

Look at it this way: Felix was the one and only (last) scatback who also had the intagibles of a running back. He has great vision, balance, character, strength (for his size), run instincts and no history of injuries. The other scatback types either weren't known for having those intagibles or has some other major questions. C Johnson scared me to death because he only did it his last year and then he showed zero run instincts. Just when he got open, he would outrun the poor angles (that he won't see in the NFL). Charles has too much to list here that I didn't like.

So, if we wanted a quick, fast RB who also has the instincts, vision, etc. to be a standout... it was Felix or nobody. In other words... Felix was the only true RB who also was lightning quick and fast.

Now, look at Mendenhall and Tashard choice. The only difference between those two is flat out (straight line) speed and production in college. Mendenhall has more speed and Choice has more production.

Also, with Mendenhall, I've read things like: "has to figure out how badly he wants it" and "not really a competitor". Mendenhall has also been knocked for having straight line speed but no wiggle. Wiggle is what makes NFL backs, IMO, most of the time.

However, with Choice, I read things like: "Warrior mentality, great locker room presence, will make those around him work harder, a winner". He also has as much wiggle (more?) than Mendenhall.

Seriously, we were able to get a back who is similar to what Mendenhall would give us with a little less speed and much better intangibles. Plus, we were able to secure the only scatback in this draft that didn't have huge holes in his game.

The only reason on God's green earth for so many people (read: JJT and people here) to be upset that we passed on Mendenhall for Felix is because most draft publications and programs had him going ten picks before our 22nd.

Draft history alone should let everyone know not to put very much credence in what they say, for crying out loud.

We got the best fast/quick back in this draft (100 times better than Julius) and a player with twice the heart of Mendenhall and almost as much physical talent as him.

Why piss and moan? Because the "draft gurus" had him listed going to Detroit or Chicago? Please. And those teams (who needed a RB worse than we did) passed on Mendenhall for a reason.

We came out of this draft smelling like a rose.

Well, first Jones was not the only player who possessed his attributes. I see CJ as being the same player only faster. As fast as Jones is, Johnson is faster. People took bad angles because they can't adjust to that speed. He doesn't slowly pull away from people. He flew away. And he made people who took normally good angles look bad. He has wiggle. Time will tell who is right about CJ.

Jones is a great choice if you are ok with having someone like Bush on your team. I think he's going to be great for us in that aspect. But no one is going to argue now that Jones is a complete back like Mendenhall. I think Jones is going to run between the tackles better than most people think. He may be another TD. Who knows. I don't see him like that but I see him as more complete than he has been characterized.

If we get the opportunity to find another complete back in another draft or in FA then ok. It will work out better that we have Jones. If Barber goes down, can't take the pounding for a full year, or whatever then passing on Mendenhall was not the best decision.

Picking Jones was the choice of a very good pick and a very good pick. We won't lose. But we may pay for it.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

We came out of this draft smelling like a rose.

If you lean a lil closer you will see that roses smell like.....

Mendenhall is a better RB.

 

[RCowboyFan]

You are pissing and moaning about folks pissing and moaning?

Its simple, Mendenhall was much more highly rated. Its pretty uncommon to select a specialist in the first. I like Jones myself. But you would have to have an agenda to get get why people are questioning it....

Funny thing you just made the point for him right there. Highly rated by more?

Now if you had said that Cowboys have him rated higher than Felix Jones, then you got a point. From some reports it kind of indicates that. But really,
Mendenhall has been one year Wonder. I have seen in more than one game. I was not impressed.

Now only RBs that I saw that I was impressed was Stewart and Ray Rice. Felix Jones, from what I saw, was too much of part time player, but I didn't see enough games to be certain of that. So I trust the Cowboys scouts on that.

But it makes sense when you see Tashard Choice there. From senior Bowl, what I saw, he has really good vision and tough guy. ANd his college production consistancy says, he is a good choice.

 

[AsthmaField]

Well, first Jones was not the only player who possessed his attributes. I see CJ as being the same player only faster. As fast as Jones is, Johnson is faster. People took bad angles because they can't adjust to that speed. He doesn't slowly pull away from people. He flew away. And he made people who took normally good angles look bad. He has wiggle. Time will tell who is right about CJ.

Jones is a great choice if you are ok with having someone like Bush on your team. I think he's going to be great for us in that aspect. But no one is going to argue now that Jones is a complete back like Mendenhall. I think Jones is going to run between the tackles better than most people think. He may be another TD. Who knows. I don't see him like that but I see him as more complete than he has been characterized.

If we get the opportunity to find another complete back in another draft or in FA then ok. It will work out better that we have Jones. If Barber goes down, can't take the pounding for a full year, or whatever then passing on Mendenhall was not the best decision.

Picking Jones was the choice of a very good pick and a very good pick. We won't lose. But we may pay for it.

Respect the opinion... but Johnson doesn't have nearly the vision or instincts, IMO that felix does. Those traits make a RB... not speed. I'd like to have a RB with those instincts and then (and only then) if he has speed, it is a plus.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

These same draft gurus also had Steven Jackson going ahead of Julius Jones.

Oh wait, that doesn't help your argument.

 

[AsthmaField]

You are pissing and moaning about folks pissing and moaning?

Gee... I didn't see that one coming...

 

[ndanger]

People are upset because we passed on Mendenhall and took Jones. I can see no other reason why than because a bunch of "draft experts" said Mendenhall was going early.

Look at it this way: Felix was the one and only (last) scatback who also had the intagibles of a running back. He has great vision, balance, character, strength (for his size), run instincts and no history of injuries. The other scatback types either weren't known for having those intagibles or has some other major questions. C Johnson scared me to death because he only did it his last year and then he showed zero run instincts. Just when he got open, he would outrun the poor angles (that he won't see in the NFL). Charles has too much to list here that I didn't like.

So, if we wanted a quick, fast RB who also has the instincts, vision, etc. to be a standout... it was Felix or nobody. In other words... Felix was the only true RB who also was lightning quick and fast.

Now, look at Mendenhall and Tashard choice. The only difference between those two is flat out (straight line) speed and production in college. Mendenhall has more speed and Choice has more production.

Also, with Mendenhall, I've read things like: "has to figure out how badly he wants it" and "not really a competitor". Mendenhall has also been knocked for having straight line speed but no wiggle. Wiggle is what makes NFL backs, IMO, most of the time.

However, with Choice, I read things like: "Warrior mentality, great locker room presence, will make those around him work harder, a winner". He also has as much wiggle (more?) than Mendenhall.

Seriously, we were able to get a back who is similar to what Mendenhall would give us with a little less speed and much better intangibles. Plus, we were able to secure the only scatback in this draft that didn't have huge holes in his game.

The only reason on God's green earth for so many people (read: JJT and people here) to be upset that we passed on Mendenhall for Felix is because most draft publications and programs had him going ten picks before our 22nd.

Draft history alone should let everyone know not to put very much credence in what they say, for crying out loud.

We got the best fast/quick back in this draft (100 times better than Julius) and a player with twice the heart of Mendenhall and almost as much physical talent as him.

Why piss and moan? Because the "draft gurus" had him listed going to Detroit or Chicago? Please. And those teams (who needed a RB worse than we did) passed on Mendenhall for a reason.

We came out of this draft smelling like a rose.

Well said Asthma.Some of these guys are killin' me. I was hoping for Ray Rice myself. i will follow his progress to see how he turns out, but I am not gonna sit around and moan about it. The thing that excites me about Felix in having watched him is his vision and ability to juke defenders. i don't understand peoples mentality, especially the guy in another thread who hopes Felix is a bust and Rashard is all world just so he can come on here and say I told you so.That just boggles my mind.How some guys even make it in this world is beyond me.

 

[jobberone]

Respect the opinion... but Johnson doesn't have nearly the vision or instincts, IMO that felix does. Those traits make a RB... not speed. I'd like to have a RB with those instincts and then (and only then) if he has speed, it is a plus.

I think CJ is a better back. Period. There is no way we can really know who has the better vision. And if Jones had played for EC and CJ for Ark with the same stats then he would have been the top pick in the draft.

CJ is going to be a Pro Bowl back IMO.

 

[BourbonBalz]

The only problem I have with your post is that Felix Jones is NOT a "scarback". Just becaue he's fast doesn't mean he's small and a scatback. He isn't. He's an extremely versatile RB and plain and simple, a weapon.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Respect the opinion... but Johnson doesn't have nearly the vision or instincts, IMO that felix does. Those traits make a RB... not speed. I'd like to have a RB with those instincts and then (and only then) if he has speed, it is a plus.

how are you basing his vision or instincts where do you get this information from what aspect from game tape have you seen him lack vision or instincts.

 

[AsthmaField]

These same draft gurus also had Steven Jackson going ahead of Julius Jones.

Oh wait, that doesn't help your argument.

I could give dozens of examples of how they were wrong too... just like you could give more examples of them being correct. That would do neither of us any good.

I gave reasons why I liked our moves and none of them have anything to do with ratings.

BTW, how you doing, cajun?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

great pick

 

[AsthmaField]

how are you basing his vision or instincts where do you get this information from what aspect from game tape have you seen him lack vision or instincts.

Everything I've read, heard and seen points to Felix having great vision. Everything I've read, heard and seen points to Johnson and Charles, not having it.

Could I be wrong? Yes. I don't think I (and almost everyone else) am though.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I think CJ is a better back. Period. There is no way we can really know who has the better vision. And if Jones had played for EC and CJ for Ark with the same stats then he would have been the top pick in the draft.

CJ is going to be a Pro Bowl back IMO.

Yes you can. Mayock showed few highlights where he clearly avoids the hole right in the middle and goes outside. Now I haven't seen CJ in college, so I don't know.

But from what Mayock was saying and tapes he showed, Clearly CJ is not a full time RB.

Now maybe in NFL it changes and CJ might be great, but nothing from reports that I read suggest he is a pro-bowl type back. Those backs, who have 4.24 speed, don't go low first round, and also mostly projected to go in 2nd round.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Everything I've read, heard and seen points to Felix having great vision. Everything I've read, heard and seen points to Johnson and Charles, not having it.

Could I be wrong? Yes. I don't think I (and almost everyone else) am though.

so its ok for you to use expert to validate your point however using expertss for mendenhall > Jones was something you kind of brushed aside.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Yes you can. Mayock showed few highlights where he clearly avoids the hole right in the middle and goes outside. Now I haven't seen CJ in college, so I don't know.

But from what Mayock was saying and tapes he showed, Clearly CJ is not a full time RB.

Now maybe in NFL it changes and CJ might be great, but nothing from reports that I read suggest he is a pro-bowl type back. Those backs, who have 4.24 speed, don't go low first round, and also mostly projected to go in 2nd round.

You can make people look good and made people look bad on high light reels. So to use that as attempt to prove your point is silly. Considering Mayock doesn't look at every game only 2-3 so how could he fully evaluate any one.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think CJ is a better back. Period. There is no way we can really know who has the better vision. And if Jones had played for EC and CJ for Ark with the same stats then he would have been the top pick in the draft.

CJ is going to be a Pro Bowl back IMO.

I have seen and heard a hundred times people (announcers, etc.) talking about how a player with great speed was drafted too high and has produced next to nothing in the pros. They all say how track speed doesn't make a football player. Alexander Wright, RB Henry from last year's draft, Randall Williams, Blair Thomas, etc.

Now, how many times have you heard people say, "He had great football instincts AND is fast when he came out of college... but those don't make a football player"?

Instincts for the position are more important, IMO... and I think Felix has ten times more than Johnson. That's why I didn't like Johnson even when I thought we could pick him.