US Open, Chambers Bay

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This year's U.S. Open is being hosted at the youngest venue ever, for the first time in the northwest, for the first time on fescue, and with 4 of the 5 longest par 4's ever. This stunning layout has been highly anticipated for creating epic drama befitting the supreme test that is the U.S. Open.

Surprisingly, this seaside course on Puget Sound outside of Tacoma has more elevation changes than Augusta.
That's due to the fact that it is not a traditional links course (meaning 9 out and 9 back, all essentially parallel to the beach). This course has 4 or 5 seaside holes, but most are carved out of an old gravel quarry. The look is certainly consistent with links golf, though, with only 1 tree and lots of natural dune-looking hazards, weeds, and knobs.

Four kinds of fescue (which don't grow well in the U.S.) will make it play more like a British links course, with lots of crazy bounces and roll-outs. The greens are only slightly firmer and faster than the fairways, but no one will be able to fire at the pins. A premium will be placed on creativity around the greens, which are heavily contoured. The course is also the longest (relative to par), but we may see some drives over 400 yds with the firm fairways.

Another first - Fox will be covering it for the first time, and they've been preparing for 2 years. Greg Norman will bring his considerable character in commentary, and we'll see innovative on-screen graphics with yardages and contour shading; this should help the viewer feel more involved in shot making and green reading.

As usual, the field is pumped, though challenged by the difficulty and lack of familiarity. Phil has said that the complexity, shot-making requirements, and links terrain reminds him of the Old Course at St Andrews, where the Open will be next month. Several of the Brits would have to be favored to do well in familiar course conditions, but nobody will be comfortable with this layout for a while.

We went 40 years without a foreign winner, then only one of the last 5 has been an American. I'm feeling good about the chances of our young guns this year, as well as a couple of old muskets. Jordan, Ricky, Dustin, and Bubba have the game to contend here, as do great ball strikers like Furyk and Zach Johnson.

But the guy who's due, one of the most creative shot-makers in history, with a record 6 second place finishes, and new-found confidence - the sentimental favorite - is Mickelson.

Would be great to see that, but it'll be golf at its best regardless, even if Rory or Rose steals it.

Gotta go set the DVR.
 

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This year's U.S. Open is being hosted at the youngest venue ever, for the first time in the northwest, for the first time on fescue, and with 4 of the 5 longest par 4's ever. This stunning layout has been highly anticipated for creating epic drama befitting the supreme test that is the U.S. Open.

Surprisingly, this seaside course on Puget Sound outside of Tacoma has more elevation changes than Augusta.
That's due to the fact that it is not a traditional links course (meaning 9 out and 9 back, all essentially parallel to the beach). This course has 4 or 5 seaside holes, but most are carved out of an old gravel quarry. The look is certainly consistent with links golf, though, with only 1 tree and lots of natural dune-looking hazards, weeds, and knobs.

Four kinds of fescue (which don't grow well in the U.S.) will make it play more like a British links course, with lots of crazy bounces and roll-outs. The greens are only slightly firmer and faster than the fairways, but no one will be able to fire at the pins. A premium will be placed on creativity around the greens, which are heavily contoured. The course is also the longest (relative to par), but we may see some drives over 400 yds with the firm fairways.

Another first - Fox will be covering it for the first time, and they've been preparing for 2 years. Greg Norman will bring his considerable character in commentary, and we'll see innovative on-screen graphics with yardages and contour shading; this should help the viewer feel more involved in shot making and green reading.

As usual, the field is pumped, though challenged by the difficulty and lack of familiarity. Phil has said that the complexity, shot-making requirements, and links terrain reminds him of the Old Course at St Andrews, where the Open will be next month. Several of the Brits would have to be favored to do well in familiar course conditions, but nobody will be comfortable with this layout for a while.

We went 40 years without a foreign winner, then only one of the last 5 has been an American. I'm feeling good about the chances of our young guns this year, as well as a couple of old muskets. Jordan, Ricky, Dustin, and Bubba have the game to contend here, as do great ball strikers like Furyk and Zach Johnson.

But the guy who's due, one of the most creative shot-makers in history, with a record 6 second place finishes, and new-found confidence - the sentimental favorite - is Mickelson.

Would be great to see that, but it'll be golf at its best regardless, even if Rory or Rose steals it.

Gotta go set the DVR.

Thanks for that preview! This years Open has snuck up on me and I wasn't even aware until your post of the unique nature of this years course. I'm looking forward to seeing it, and seeing how the players do on a course that must be close to an unkown entity to most of them.

Man I love Open week. It and Masters week are two of my stopdown sports weekends of every year. And what a cool story it would be if Phil could somehow pull it off and complete his career slam.
 

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I will be watching all 4 rounds! This is my favorite Golf Championship! I live 140 miles from the course and very tempted to go.
 

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Not looking forward to the Brit Open next month. My mrs works in St Andrews so won't have a hope in hell of getting parked meaning if I'm off or doing a back shift it'll be a half hour round trip to drop her off rather than a lie in for me.
Be interesting to see if this course does favour players from this side of the pond as much as is being suggested.
 

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I will be watching all 4 rounds! This is my favorite Golf Championship! I live 140 miles from the course and very tempted to go.

Oh, you need to be there.

One of the Golf Channel commentators said it looks like a moonscape, very unique, and the pros will be talking about how different it is for years.
 

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I think this could be a great venue, but I'm afraid that leaving Mike Davis to his own devices could be a recipe for disaster.




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I think this could be a great venue, but I'm afraid that leaving Mike Davis to his own devices could be a recipe for disaster.




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The USGA Executive Director has a lot to lose if he goes off the reservation. There are already so many innovations and tradition-breaking aspects to this tournament that he would be well-advised to let the course speak for itself.
 

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The USGA Executive Director has a lot to lose if he goes off the reservation. There are already so many innovations and tradition-breaking aspects to this tournament that he would be well-advised to let the course speak for itself.

I personally hate it. I enjoy a lynx style course, but that's for the British not the U.S. I don't like breaking the traditions of majors, and this course certainly does that. We saw a little of this changing of tradition at Pinehurst last year and I didn't like it then either. Give me a tough, narrow, long track with crazy rough (like Merion in 2013) and save the lynx for St. Andrews and Royal Troon. The U.S. should be the toughest challenge on the PGA tour every year and I don't believe it will be this year.
 

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I think it will still be the toughest of all the majors this year. The challenge will be hitting to specific spots on the greens or your ball will not hold. I'm expecting to see a lot of high scores.

Four of the par 4s are ridiculously long. A good drive will result in good roll making the 2nd shot easier (relatively speaking) but get a little sideways and the 2nd shot will punish you.

14th hole: 546 yards
11th hole: 537 yards
13th hole: 534 yards
18th hole: 525 yards
 

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I personally hate it. I enjoy a lynx style course, but that's for the British not the U.S. I don't like breaking the traditions of majors, and this course certainly does that. We saw a little of this changing of tradition at Pinehurst last year and I didn't like it then either. Give me a tough, narrow, long track with crazy rough (like Merion in 2013) and save the lynx for St. Andrews and Royal Troon. The U.S. should be the toughest challenge on the PGA tour every year and I don't believe it will be this year.

I hear you. While the pros may love the links-style layouts without trees and traditional rough, that isn't a typical U.S. parkland course. There are only 4 true links courses in the U.S, but the trend and popularity is upward. Three of the four are at Bandon, Oregon; they are also rated in in the top 25 of all courses in the country. Another top layout and major venue is Whistling Straits in Wisconsin.

If the the dryness, firmness, nobs, mounds, and grass peculiarities give the Brits an advantage on our soil, then I'm not crazy about that, either.
But, make no mistake -- this venue will be difficult, and shots will have to be fashioned on the spot, in unfamiliar circumstances. I'll be surprised if anyone shoots under par in all 4 rounds, and if the winning score is under par in double digits.
 

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I've played at Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes :) Incredible courses. I believe Pacific Dunes has been ranked as high as #2.
 

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I've played at Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes :) Incredible courses. I believe Pacific Dunes has been ranked as high as #2.

You da man, vi.

Was planning a trip up there in August, but one of the entourage injured his wrist, requiring surgical repair, and we've postponed it for a while. The same group went to Scotland 2 years ago and Pebble last year.
 

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You da man, vi.

Was planning a trip up there in August, but one of the entourage injured his wrist, requiring surgical repair, and we've postponed it for a while. The same group went to Scotland 2 years ago and Pebble last year.

If you do not mind playing during the Winter you can save a lot of money. I believe it is still an unadvertised package. $300 for 2 rounds of golf (any of their courses), 2 breakfast, 2 dinners (1 in the main restaurant, 1 in the pub), and a room with 2 beds. Hard deal to beat!

I recently played at Half moon Bay Golf Links in Half Moon Bay, CA. It is a links style course as well :) Not as nice as the Bandon courses but still a sweet place to play.

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One of the best groups to watch for today's and tomorrow's rounds will be Phil, Bubba, and Cabrera; they tee off at 9:30 central time.

As I mentioned, there will be some opportunities for bombers to launch some epic drives at Chambers Bay, and these three can kill it. Of course, the penalty for inaccuracy will match the reward for distance, so the consequences of going for it will be interesting. These 3 have all won majors, so they've demonstrated the patience, shot-making, and short game requirements as well.

There are more amateurs than usual (16), and it seems one or more always jump up the leaderboard in the first day or two.
SMU's Bryson DeChambeau is the current NCAA champ, and could make some noise.
UT's Beau Hossler will be playing in his third US Open; you may remember the stir he created 3 years ago when he briefly had sole possession of the lead in the second round, at 17 years of age.
Cole Hammer (great golf name), is only 15 and 5'9", 125#. He's from Houston, and tried out to assess his game, shooting 64-68 in the Dallas qualifier.

Another interesting first-timer is 27 yr old Sam Saunders, grandson of Arnold Palmer. He played not so well recently at Colonial, then worse at The Memorial, missing the cut with a 76-80 score. So he went to the Columbus qualifier, put his entire bag in time-out, and borrowed a set from his caddy. The result was two rounds of 66, and co-medalist honors.

Finally, as a dark horse, how about Lee Janzen? He hasn't won since this tourney in '98; he also won one in '93.
He's the oldest qualifier (50), but was the medalist at the New York qualifier.

Should be great theater.
 

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The Tiger, Fowler and Oosthuizen group combined for +28 today!

This course is a bit over the top.
 
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