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New pro league to be built on college football ties
By Steve Wieberg, USA TODAY

They come. They go. The World Football League, the USFL, the XFL. Some entrepreneur has a vision — there's room in a football-obsessed nation for another professional league — that invariably drowns in red ink and dissolves.

Organizers of the new All American Football League acknowledge the trail of failures. But theirs, they say, is a different approach: pro ball with a college sensibility.

The league takes a first step onto the public stage today and Tuesday, days after the NFL pulled the plug on NFL Europa, when some 400 prospective players try out at the Citrus Bowl in Orlando. Additional tryouts are planned in September.

Six or eight teams based in Florida, Alabama and other college football hotbeds, pooling graduated talent from nearby colleges and playing mostly by college rules, are scheduled for the AAFL's inaugural spring season next April.

"Done right," says former NCAA President Cedric Dempsey, who heads the league's advisory board, "I think it's got an opportunity."

The birth has been fitful. A 2007 launch was put off a year until financing was firmed up. Dempsey's board once oversaw operations; power now is ceded to league CEO and primary financier Marcus Katz, a retired education loan mogul living in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.

The search for a TV home has been slow with networks loathe to bite — if they ever do — before teams are established and coaches and players secured.

Still, Dempsey says, "I feel more positive about it now than I think I did a year ago. We're putting the money into what was necessary to put into it. There seems to be a need at this time for development of a spring league, and I think this concept may be the best of any I've seen so far."

Katz adds: "The XFL had a chance to make it. They got people to come to the games, to watch the games. They just didn't like what they saw and quit coming. If we can come up with something that people have a good time with, I think we can continue.

"My intuition's usually pretty good, and I've had a very positive feeling about this."

The AAFL hopes to tap into college loyalties and rivalries. A Florida team will play some games at The Swamp in Gainesville, others at the Citrus Bowl, Jacksonville's Alltel Stadium or Tampa's Raymond James Stadium. In Alabama, the league has lined up Birmingham's Legion Field. Other teams tentatively are set to play at Tennessee, North Carolina State and Purdue, and Katz says contracts are "ready to sign" for venues in Mississippi and Little Rock.

Texas is another target. Teams will be announced by month's end, Dempsey says. Ex-college coaches Jackie Sherrill and Bob Pruett are among the possible coaches.

As for players, the league will be content with those undrafted by the NFL or cut once NFL teams near the start of their season in September. Hence, the fall tryouts. Where the players played in college — or as close as is feasible — they'll play in the AAFL. The Florida team, for example, will feature former Gators, and the Tennessee team will pool former Volunteers. Team colors will correspond with the colleges'.

Rosters will go 40 deep with six-man taxi squads. Salaries, once projected at around $100,000, probably will be closer to $70,000 to $75,000, Dempsey says.

Players must have earned four-year degrees and exhausted their college eligibility, which Dempsey and other former college officials on the AAFL board see as an incentive for graduation. Among those expected in Orlando this week, the league says, are former Florida quarterback Shane Matthews, receiver Travis McGriff and cornerback Vernell Brown.

The dismantling of NFL Europe widens the pool of prospects.

Stephen Austin, who runs the NFL scouting combine, will oversee the tryouts today and Tuesday.

"It seems to be getting some wings," says former Notre Dame athletics director and Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner Gene Corrigan, an AAFL board member. "We're moving ahead and doing some stuff. We hadn't really done anything but talk before. Now there's action."

Outside the league, there's still skepticism.

"Obviously, if they're going ahead with tryouts and announcing schools, they may feel they have enough economic support to launch," says former CBS Sports president Neal Pilson, now a media consultant. "But they have to put people in seats. They need some form of television exposure. And they need sponsors and advertisers who see this as an opportunity to reach their target audience. None of that's a mystery.

"I think anybody who looks at it has to say, at this time, it's a long shot. It's not impossible. But you look at the history of start-up outdoor professional football leagues and with the exception really of the first one in the modern era, the American Football League, none of them have succeeded."

As to the NFL, according to nfl.com, the league's website, league executives are exploring potential expansion in China. According to the website, the NFL already is sponsoring a school-age flag league involving 5,000 players. An NFL game is shown weekly on China's state-run CCTV. Gordon Smeaton, an NFL vice president, said the league plans to announce greater distribution of games in China country, including live telecasts. Smeaton said the annual Super Bowl telecast drew up to 10 million viewers.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-07-01-football-aafl_N.htm
 

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I mentioned this last week. I think the one thing it has going for them is the regional aspect.
 

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IF they pick the college hot beds, and so far it looks like it, and THEN make sure that the players who go there are locals as much as possible, then it has a chance. we shall see.
 

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burmafrd;1543383 said:
IF they pick the college hot beds, and so far it looks like it, and THEN make sure that the players who go there are locals as much as possible, then it has a chance. we shall see.

I agree. I think it also has to stay fairly low budget. Big player salaries and high ticket prices and this league will have no shot. Make it fun and affordable and at least it would have a chance.
 

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So, this is a Spring league. Some of the earlier threads suggested that another Fall league was in the works.

Spring increases potential viability.

I wonder if it'll outdraw NASCAR.
 

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ZeroClub;1543460 said:
So, this is a Spring league. Some of the earlier threads suggested that another Fall league was in the works.

Spring increases potential viability.

I wonder if it'll outdraw NASCAR.

That would be hard to do. NASCAR following is just as big or bigger than the other major sports
 

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ZeroClub;1543460 said:
So, this is a Spring league. Some of the earlier threads suggested that another Fall league was in the works.

Spring increases potential viability.

I wonder if it'll outdraw NASCAR.

This appears to be different than the league Mark Cuban was interested in owning a team in. That one was a fall league and was targeting mid-level size cities like Las Vegas, etc.
 

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Good luck to the AAFL. But I barely have enough time to squeeze 1 NFL game in a week. It's also hard to watch games unless I have something to root for.

So what if they put a team in NY? Who do they draw from? Lamo Syracuse, Buffalo, and Army? Or Division III powerhouses like Hofstra?
 

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Eddie;1543818 said:
Good luck to the AAFL. But I barely have enough time to squeeze 1 NFL game in a week. It's also hard to watch games unless I have something to root for.

So what if they put a team in NY? Who do they draw from? Lamo Syracuse, Buffalo, and Army? Or Division III powerhouses like Hofstra?

I guess they could pull from Pitt, BC, Rutgers, Penn St. It is not so much the same city as it would be the region.
 

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burmafrd;1543383 said:
IF they pick the college hot beds, and so far it looks like it, and THEN make sure that the players who go there are locals as much as possible, then it has a chance. we shall see.

I agree with this from one side, I also think if the NFL elected to use it as a minor league it would be good. The problem is, they don't mix unless the entire league is used as a single pool for each of the teams to grab from. (All free agents that can be snatched up at anytime) The problem with that is, anytime a single player shows anything, a team will grab him and the whole reason behind a minor league is to develop players. Players with potential will never get developed in the league because they will be snatched up before another team takes him.

The two best reasons that could make the league succeed are like mixing oil and water.

EDIT: It can cause sway in how good each team is. Teams based in Florida will be a lot better than teams based in the NE.
 

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Doomsday101;1543385 said:
I agree. I think it also has to stay fairly low budget. Big player salaries and high ticket prices and this league will have no shot. Make it fun and affordable and at least it would have a chance.

I agree. $35k-$50k salaries and paid room and board during the season max. They are talking $70k-$75k salaries. ($75k*40 = $3M per season) I think that will cause them to fold right there. The XFL had $100k salaries didn't it?
 

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nyc;1543863 said:
I agree with this from one side, I also think if the NFL elected to use it as a minor league it would be good. The problem is, they don't mix unless the entire league is used as a single pool for each of the teams to grab from. (All free agents that can be snatched up at anytime) The problem with that is, anytime a single player shows anything, a team will grab him and the whole reason behind a minor league is to develop players. Players with potential will never get developed in the league because they will be snatched up before another team takes him.

The two best reasons that could make the league succeed are like mixing oil and water.

EDIT: It can cause sway in how good each team is. Teams based in Florida will be a lot better than teams based in the NE.


I think you would just extend the draft back to 12 rounds and then place the players on the teams with teams having rights to certain players across the league. That would make it so no one was taken up before they were ready.

Also if a team needed a player on an area of weakness for their team while the owning team did not they could just trade for the player.

I am sure an easy system could be worked out.
 

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nyc;1543866 said:
I agree. $35k-$50k salaries and paid room and board during the season max. They are talking $70k-$75k salaries. ($75k*40 = $3M per season) I think that will cause them to fold right there. The XFL had $100k salaries didn't it?


They are talking about players that have a degree form these schools. Therefore I would think you would have to have salaries above 35K. I mean you can make that as a manager at Mcdonalds easy.
 

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aikemirv;1543884 said:
I think you would just extend the draft back to 12 rounds and then place the players on the teams with teams having rights to certain players across the league. That would make it so no one was taken up before they were ready.

Also if a team needed a player on an area of weakness for their team while the owning team did not they could just trade for the player.

I am sure an easy system could be worked out.

How would you manage the coaching system though. Many teams perfer their players to be coached under a system or style. The Cowboys may not like Coach X's teaching style, but because Player X came out of Miami he must join Coach X with the AAFL Miami Cesspool Cleaners. ;)
 

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aikemirv;1543884 said:
I think you would just extend the draft back to 12 rounds and then place the players on the teams with teams having rights to certain players across the league. That would make it so no one was taken up before they were ready.

Also if a team needed a player on an area of weakness for their team while the owning team did not they could just trade for the player.

I am sure an easy system could be worked out.

They could always do what was done in NFLE with teams allocating players
 

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aikemirv;1543889 said:
They are talking about players that have a degree form these schools. Therefore I would think you would have to have salaries above 35K. I mean you can make that as a manager at Mcdonalds easy.

Wow, you are unaware! There are many people with graduate degrees that make squat! Of course there are many people that didn't graduate high school that make in excess of $100k too. Anyhow, these guy will choose if they want to play for the AAFL. Just because you want to do said job, doesn't mean that job should pay what you want it to pay.
 

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Doomsday101;1543893 said:
They could always do what was done in NFLE with teams allocating players

Explain. I didn't pay any attention to the NFLE.

Thanks!
 

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nyc;1543891 said:
How would you manage the coaching system though. Many teams perfer their players to be coached under a system or style. The Cowboys may not like Coach X's teaching style, but because Player X came out of Miami he must join Coach X with the AAFL Miami Cesspool Cleaners. ;)

I think you would just go with the basics. Have a few West Coast Offense teams, a ratio of 3-4 to 4-3 teams like the NFL and go from there.
 

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nyc;1543903 said:
Explain. I didn't pay any attention to the NFLE.

Thanks!

Teams were allowed to allocate players to NFL europe. This past season Dallas sent Tony Curtis, John Saldi and Remi Ayodele to the NFLE and we still retain their rights.
 
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