USA vs Brazil Friendly

[CATCH17]

Tonight @ 7pm on ESPN2

I don't think Dempsey or Altidore will be starting since Dempsey has been hurt and Altidore hasn't been there.


Also this should be a good test for our Left Back Fabian Johnson against Hulk.

If you didn't see the Scotland game the guy was continuously ripping through Scotlands D.

 

[Ren]

Caught the highlights that looked bad, Brazil was using most of their U23 squad as well

 

[CATCH17]

Caught the highlights that looked bad, Brazil was using most of their U23 squad as well

They had quite a few of their starters out there. They just have a young team going into the world cup.


USA created quite a few chances but just never finished. Plus the game changed after that cruel handball call early in the game.


Brazil is definetely far ahead of us though. Marcelo was just too much for us to handle.


On a positive note our Left Back Fabian Johnson was impressive again.

 

[Kangaroo]

It is simple out best athletes do not play soccer they play football, basketball and Baseball growing up period end of story.

 

[CATCH17]

It is simple out best athletes do not play soccer they play football, basketball and Baseball growing up period end of story.

Yeah but we got enough talent to pull off some shockers but when you get a lucky handball like they got that it will be hard.

We can't beat those kind of teams from behind. With a lead yes.


US just needs some better defenders. Once we get the defense straightened out will be good to go.

 

[joseephuss]

Caught the highlights that looked bad, Brazil was using most of their U23 squad as well

I think that is what their team is going to look like going forward. After a disappointing World Cup showing in 2010 and an even less impressive showing in the Copa America last year Brasil is ready to move to more of their younger players. There will be a few changes(David Luis will be a starter when healthy), but come 2014 most of the guys that were out there last night will be on the squad.

I am looking forward to watching Brasil and Mexico facing off this Saturday at Cowboys Stadium. Wish I could have gotten a ticket to attend in person.

 

[erickb]

It is simple out best athletes do not play soccer they play football, basketball and Baseball growing up period end of story.

Best athletes? Soccer players are the most fit out of all sports out there, so your point is not very well made. Most American Athletes that want to make money play other sports, should be your point and that one would be true

There are plenty of players that are over weight in the sports you listed, but you will not find one over weight soccer player, period end of story

 

[Cythim]

It is simple out best athletes do not play soccer they play football, basketball and Baseball growing up period end of story.

Messi, Xavi, and several other great soccer players do not have the athleticism necessary to play those sports. This argument is false.

The problem with U.S. soccer is the extremely lacking talent discovery system. To be discovered players must pay to be part of a club so they can get a college scholarship. We need to introduce a system like the global powers have where professional clubs scout and develop talent and benefit from this development by selling the players on the transfer market. If U.S. clubs started making millions on the transfer market by selling players to Chelsea or Real Madrid they would be out there looking for the best kids and providing a strong talent pool for the USMNT.

 

[joseephuss]

What do you mean by most fit? Soccer players have perhaps the best endurance, but being a great athlete is more than just having good endurance.

The Olympic motto of "Swifter, higher, stronger" better defines what being a great athlete is than saying they are fit. NFL players and NBA players are "swifter, higher(insert your own joke), stronger" than the top soccer players in the world. The NFL and NBA is littered with guys that are easily far more athletic than the top soccer players the U.S. produces. Their advantages in size, strength, power, quickness, speed and agility far outweigh any advantages the soccer players have in endurance when comparing them as great athletes. Now MLB is full of tubs of goo, non-athletic guys.

 

[CATCH17]

Messi, Xavi, and several other great soccer players do not have the athleticism necessary to play those sports. This argument is false.

The problem with U.S. soccer is the extremely lacking talent discovery system. To be discovered players must pay to be part of a club so they can get a college scholarship. We need to introduce a system like the global powers have where professional clubs scout and develop talent and benefit from this development by selling the players on the transfer market. If U.S. clubs started making millions on the transfer market by selling players to Chelsea or Real Madrid they would be out there looking for the best kids and providing a strong talent pool for the USMNT.

Yeah I can't believe someone is already not doing this.

It's a goldmine for soccer owners and nobody has tapped into it and we are the biggest sleeping giant when it comes to this sport.

 

[erickb]

What do you mean by most fit? Soccer players have perhaps the best endurance, but being a great athlete is more than just having good endurance.

The Olympic motto of "Swifter, higher, stronger" better defines what being a great athlete is than saying they are fit. NFL players and NBA players are "swifter, higher(insert your own joke), stronger" than the top soccer players in the world. The NFL and NBA is littered with guys that are easily far more athletic than the top soccer players the U.S. produces. Their advantages in size, strength, power, quickness, speed and agility far outweigh any advantages the soccer players have in endurance when comparing them as great athletes. Now MLB is full of tubs of goo, non-athletic guys.

Fit-heart rate, weight control, endurance, etc..

Swimmers, gymnastics, rugby, etc are all in the same category.

Back in the day on Wild World Of Sports (I think) they would do competitions of all the top athletes from all disciplines of sports (football, basketball, etc.) and soccer players won so much that they did not let them compete anymore. Ask Ocho about soccer fit and training vs. football fit and training, he is a very fit and athletic person in and out of football but had some hard days keep up day after day

 

[erickb]

Messi, Xavi, and several other great soccer players do not have the athleticism necessary to play those sports. This argument is false.

The problem with U.S. soccer is the extremely lacking talent discovery system. To be discovered players must pay to be part of a club so they can get a college scholarship. We need to introduce a system like the global powers have where professional clubs scout and develop talent and benefit from this development by selling the players on the transfer market. If U.S. clubs started making millions on the transfer market by selling players to Chelsea or Real Madrid they would be out there looking for the best kids and providing a strong talent pool for the USMNT.

Tell me about, 2 kids playing top level soccer cost me more then it did when they raced motorcycles and don't get me started about girls vs boys soccer, got one of each and seeing the bias first hand sucks and it gets wost the higher they go

 

[joseephuss]

Fit-heart rate, weight control, endurance, etc..

Swimmers, gymnastics, rugby, etc are all in the same category.

Back in the day on Wild World Of Sports (I think) they would do competitions of all the top athletes from all disciplines of sports (football, basketball, etc.) and soccer players won so much that they did not let them compete anymore. Ask Ocho about soccer fit and training vs. football fit and training, he is a very fit and athletic person in and out of football but had some hard days keep up day after day

I would consider DeMarcus Ware or LeBron James far greater athletes over any soccer player. That includes your categories of fit-heart rate, weight control endurance plus the categories I mentioned about strength, explosiveness, power, quickness, agility and speed. And I could come up with a long, long list of others that I think are greater athletes than soccer players.

I don't believe your Wild World of Sports story. I have never seen or heard of anything of that manner where soccer players dominated or asked not to compete. If you did a competition of different events, I bet the top guys would be from the NFL or the NBA.

And what does Ochocinco have to do with this? Just because soccer training requires more endurance than football training, does not mean you have to be a better athlete to play soccer. You just need better endurance and that is only one single element into what makes a great athlete. The top soccer athletes would struggle pushing a blocking sled in practice everyday and see that as being more challenging than what they do everyday in their own sport.

I have watched all manner of competitions and am myself a big soccer fan. While I can appreciate them as athletes, none of them are as athletic as guys from the NFL or NBA. And I am not saying the difference is some grand chasm, but there is a different level in the athleticism. Sure some fat lineman may not be a better athlete. Soccer does not have or need equivalent fat guys in their sport, but the NFL also has linebackers, running backs, wide receivers and defensive backs who are far different than lineman.

 

[CATCH17]

There are some quality soccer athletes but a lot of these guys aren't amazing athletically.

They are just amazing technically with good endurance.

 

[Cythim]

I would consider DeMarcus Ware or LeBron James far greater athletes over any soccer player. That includes your categories of fit-heart rate, weight control endurance plus the categories I mentioned about strength, explosiveness, power, quickness, agility and speed. And I could come up with a long, long list of others that I think are greater athletes than soccer players.

I don't believe your Wild World of Sports story. I have never seen or heard of anything of that manner where soccer players dominated or asked not to compete. If you did a competition of different events, I bet the top guys would be from the NFL or the NBA.

And what does Ochocinco have to do with this? Just because soccer training requires more endurance than football training, does not mean you have to be a better athlete to play soccer. You just need better endurance and that is only one single element into what makes a great athlete. The top soccer athletes would struggle pushing a blocking sled in practice everyday and see that as being more challenging than what they do everyday in their own sport.

I have watched all manner of competitions and am myself a big soccer fan. While I can appreciate them as athletes, none of them are as athletic as guys from the NFL or NBA. And I am not saying the difference is some grand chasm, but there is a different level in the athleticism. Sure some fat lineman may not be a better athlete. Soccer does not have or need equivalent fat guys in their sport, but the NFL also has linebackers, running backs, wide receivers and defensive backs who are far different than lineman.

Ware and James would make terrible soccer players even if they trained and got themselves match fit. The closest thing I've seen to guys of their build on a soccer field is Oguchi Onyewu at 6'4" 210 lbs and that is huge for a field player. The comparison is not there because the athletic requirements of these sports are vastly different.

 

[Cythim]

Yeah I can't believe someone is already not doing this.

It's a goldmine for soccer owners and nobody has tapped into it and we are the biggest sleeping giant when it comes to this sport.

Some euro clubs are over here trying to take advantage of it. I know Ajax and West Ham have been creating American youth academies.

 

[RastaRocket]

Caught the highlights that looked bad, Brazil was using most of their U23 squad as well

Their U23 squad is almost better than their current squad. The amount of young talent they have coming through right now is incredible.

 

[RastaRocket]

Best athletes? Soccer players are the most fit out of all sports out there, so your point is not very well made. Most American Athletes that want to make money play other sports, should be your point and that one would be true

There are plenty of players that are over weight in the sports you listed, but you will not find one over weight soccer player, period end of story

I think fighters are the most fit athletes.

 

[joseephuss]

Ware and James would make terrible soccer players even if they trained and got themselves match fit. The closest thing I've seen to guys of their build on a soccer field is Oguchi Onyewu at 6'4" 210 lbs and that is huge for a field player. The comparison is not there because the athletic requirements of these sports are vastly different.

The point wasn't that they would make good soccer players, but that they are great athletes and superior athletes to soccer players. I am not talking about just throwing them into soccer and seeing how good they would do. The same in the other direction. I wouldn't throw Ronaldo or Messi into the NBA or NFL and expect them to do well. As all around athletes, I would choose pro basketball and football players over soccer players.

And I disagree that they would be terrible soccer players. If they had the training since childhood you could turn both Ware and James into good central backs or goalies.

 

[joseephuss]

Not a good few days for American soccer.

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