Vela: Cornerback Gambit

[CrazyCowboy]

He is absolutely correct.....I hope it works out

 

[Oh_Canada]

Before we anoint it a "potential superbowl team", let's see it win a playoff game first.

We didn't win a playoff game with Flozell, I don't see where we've lost much if we don't win one without him.

Yup, I agree 100%....let him and his false starts go, save the cap room and move on....Romo made Flo look better than he was anyhow.

 

[Sarge]

Morning Sarge.

Morning Winkles.......off work 3-4 of weeks - smashed my shoulder to bits in a snowmobile accident.(fractured clavicle, fractured scapula, fractured acromium and separated shoulder).........dodged a bullet BIG TIME. Lucky I'm still here.

How Emmitt played with a separated shoulder is beyond me.

At any rate - carry on...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Morning Winkles.......off work 3-4 of weeks - smashed my shoulder to bits in a snowmobile accident.(fractured clavicle, fractured scapula, fractured acromium and separated shoulder).........dodged a bullet BIG TIME. Lucky I'm still here.

How Emmitt played with a separated shoulder is beyond me.

At any rate - carry on...

Sorry to hear that Sarge!

That has to hurt like hell fracturing your cranium... Oh you said, acromium. That's not so bad.

Down here we only have had an inch or of the white stuff on the ground at any one time over the past month. But I've heard about the mess around Fulton and Mexico.

 

[Sarge]

Sorry to hear that Sarge!

That has to hurt like hell fracturing your cranium... Oh you said, acromium. That's not so bad.

Down here we only have had an inch or of the white stuff on the ground at any one time over the past month. But I've heard about the mess around Fulton and Mexico.

We go ridin' up in Old Forge where there is boatloads of snow - it's only 50 minutes from me. No more ridin' this year though............... :

 

[YosemiteSam]

Interesting thought.

But even without Flo, I'm not sure we could afford either of those corners. Asomugha is the best corner in the NFL, and probably won't be let loose from Oakland if they're smart at all. Trufant will probably be franchised.

Both Trufant and Asomugha will be franchised. If only to for more time to negociate.

 

[superpunk]

Both Trufant and Asomugha will be franchised. If only to for more time to negociate.

Probably.

It's a damn shame. I like both of them better than Clements.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Morning Winkles.......off work 3-4 of weeks - smashed my shoulder to bits in a snowmobile accident.(fractured clavicle, fractured scapula, fractured acromium and separated shoulder).........dodged a bullet BIG TIME. Lucky I'm still here.

How Emmitt played with a separated shoulder is beyond me.

At any rate - carry on...

Sorry to hear that Sarge.

Lucky for us however that we will get even more of your wisdom.

 

[Sarge]

Sorry to hear that Sarge.

Lucky for us however that we will get even more of your wisdom.

Ya - bad news all around I guess............:laugh2:

Morning BDC..

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I have said from Day 1 we need to move on...successful franchises (Colts, Eagles, Pats, Steelers etc...) are faced all the time with these decisions and they stay successful because they show the guts to do it....if we sign Flo for 3 years what would have been the point of McQuistan, Free, and Martin? I am a bottom line guy and the bottom line is we have seen Flo for 9 years and have not won squat with the guy...it is time to move on. If we were sure about him we would have never let it get to this point...so I would not be shocked if they Cowboys moved on.

 

[Woods]

I have said from Day 1 we need to move on...successful franchises (Colts, Eagles, Pats, Steelers etc...) are faced all the time with these decisions and they stay successful because they show the guts to do it....if we sign Flo for 3 years what would have been the point of McQuistan, Free, and Martin? I am a bottom line guy and the bottom line is we have seen Flo for 9 years and have not won squat with the guy...it is time to move on. If we were sure about him we would have never let it get to this point...so I would not be shocked if they Cowboys moved on.

I wouldn't be shocked if we let him go either.

I think it comes down to two things,

1. What the coaching staff thinks of Free, McQ (this may be the most important thing, IMO)

2. How much money and the contract terms that Flo wants.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I wouldn't be shocked if we let him go either.

I think it comes down to two things,

1. What the coaching staff thinks of Free, McQ (this may be the most important thing, IMO)

2. How much money and the contract terms that Flo wants.

Here's the contract John Runyan signed in 2006...

"John Runyan-Runyan signed a 3 year, 12.45 million dollar deal in the 2006 offseason that included a 2.5M roster bonus in 2006 and roster bonuses of 1M in 2007 and 2008. He also has 350K of LTBE incentives in 2007 and 2008.

2006: $3,650,000 (1.15M base salary+2.5M roster bonus)
2007: $3,900,000 (2.9M base salary+1M roster bonus+350K LTBE incentive)
2008: $4,200,000 (3.2M base salary+1M roster bonus)"


I could see something similar for Adams, although the numbers would be a little higher... maybe like 3 years, 18 mil, with a 2008 cap charge of $5 mil or less.

I doubt I'd go any higher than that.

 

[Woods]

Here's the contract John Runyan signed in 2006...

"John Runyan-Runyan signed a 3 year, 12.45 million dollar deal in the 2006 offseason that included a 2.5M roster bonus in 2006 and roster bonuses of 1M in 2007 and 2008. He also has 350K of LTBE incentives in 2007 and 2008.

2006: $3,650,000 (1.15M base salary+2.5M roster bonus)
2007: $3,900,000 (2.9M base salary+1M roster bonus+350K LTBE incentive)
2008: $4,200,000 (3.2M base salary+1M roster bonus)"


I could see something similar for Adams, although the numbers would be a little higher... maybe like 3 years, 18 mil, with a 2008 cap charge of $5 mil or less.

I doubt I'd go any higher than that.

If Flo were to sign for the numbers you suggested (around $18mm over 3 years), that would make me happy.

Unless the staff think Free/McQ are ready to assume the starting position now . . . . then I guess Flo is gone, regardless.

But at around $5mm/year I think it's a decent deal for both sides, and we could still sign some mid-level FAs . . . .

 

[skinsscalper]

You might want to double check your facts on Free. He projects as a pretty good player and people who matter at camp thought he looked ready last year.

Ugoh wasnt rated that much better than stephen heyer, heyer played pretty decent for the skins too. The only thing free was lacking that ugoh and heyer had was opportunity.

I hope he gets that opportunity next year.

I remember perusing at extremeskins this last season and they were ripping Heyer a new one for getting their QB killed and missing his assignments in the running game. I'm sure that type of player would be a huge upgrade over Flo. But hey, atleast we'd get to sign a new toy in FA.

The Skins also made a move like many here are suggesting and their line suffered BIG TIME. They figured they could just plug a fat body in Dockery's place and let him walk via FA. That organization struggled for half the season to try and cover up that blunder. IIRC making a mid-season trade for the guy from NYJETS (his name escapes me at this point).

Yep. Sounds like a winning formula to me.

 

[theebs]

I remember perusing at extremeskins this last season and they were ripping Heyer a new one for getting their QB killed and missing his assignments in the running game. I'm sure that type of player would be a huge upgrade over Flo. But hey, atleast we'd get to sign a new toy in FA.

The Skins also made a move like many here are suggesting and their line suffered BIG TIME. They figured they could just plug a fat body in Dockery's place and let him walk via FA. That organization struggled for half the season to try and cover up that blunder. IIRC making a mid-season trade for the guy from NYJETS (his name escapes me at this point).

Yep. Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Us playing Doug Free at left tackle is nothing like Heyer playing in washington. Heyer was an undrafted rookie. he was not supposed to play at all.

Free was an all american every year. he has talent. His foot injury scared some teams and he slipped to us. From the people I trust, they think the guy is a player already. he just needs opportunity.

nobody thought romo could play. People doubted columbo. People doubted crayton's abilities.

Doug free will be a second year player. He should be comfortable. He has a very good coach. He will be stronger. He should be ready for his opportunity. Plenty of teams draft lineman, make them sit through the year and then go through the offseason and then they play them. Check new england and philadelphia. Jammal Jackson pushed fraley right off the roster for gods sake in philly.

We have three young capable tackles on the roster. there is no reason not to believe in them and it is absolutely nothing like what happened in washington.

 

[theebs]

Morning Winkles.......off work 3-4 of weeks - smashed my shoulder to bits in a snowmobile accident.(fractured clavicle, fractured scapula, fractured acromium and separated shoulder).........dodged a bullet BIG TIME. Lucky I'm still here.

How Emmitt played with a separated shoulder is beyond me.

At any rate - carry on...

careful out there dude. My buddy was coming back last year after riding at night just north of glass factory road, he misjudged the sharp left turn at about 50 miles per hour and stuck the nose of the bike right in the snow and sent him about 20 feet into the woods. he thought he broke his back! He ended up with just some bruises and a sore back from the landing. He is lucky to be alive!

I dont know how you guys ride those things, especially at night!

 

[Rockytop6]

Before we anoint it a "potential superbowl team", let's see it win a playoff game first.

We didn't win a playoff game with Flozell, I don't see where we've lost much if we don't win one without him.

I agree. "a" as in "ONE" playoff game.

 

[Sarge]

careful out there dude. My buddy was coming back last year after riding at night just north of glass factory road, he misjudged the sharp left turn at about 50 miles per hour and stuck the nose of the bike right in the snow and sent him about 20 feet into the woods. he thought he broke his back! He ended up with just some bruises and a sore back from the landing. He is lucky to be alive!

I dont know how you guys ride those things, especially at night!

I was knocked out cold - when I came too - I had lost all my hearing and couldn't feel anything in either arms. Very scary. I'm really lucky. Happened first thing in the morning......at any rate - I'm looking at life a little differently the past 2 weeks...............makes ya really think about football/Dallas Cowboys in a whole new light as well. It can really all be over in a single second.................

 

[theebs]

I was knocked out cold - when I came too - I had lost all my hearing and couldn't feel anything in either arms. Very scary. I'm really lucky. Happened first thing in the morning......at any rate - I'm looking at life a little differently the past 2 weeks...............makes ya really think about football/Dallas Cowboys in a whole new light as well. It can really all be over in a single second.................

Where were you riding? you dont happen to know john matt do you?

 

[Sarge]

Where were you riding? you dont happen to know john matt do you?

I was in White Lake, right by the White Lake Inn on Route 28, just 1/4 mile away. No, never heard of your friend....