Vela: Cowboys Coach "Emasculated?" Like He Cares

[Alexander]

That's just not true and again goes back to how silly people are.

Coaches will do whatever the contract says provided they keep getting paid.

That's nice. But no coach would sign a contract with a gag order in it. Phillips didn't.

If they have better offers they will take them but it often comes down to money not principles.

Dan Reeves admitted himself he'd sell seats in the stadium, he'd advise in any area of the team, he didn't care.

So I guess that Jones should start putting that in future contracts. Maybe we will get more thrilling results like what he got with Reeves.

He just didn't want to be told he had to be on the premises year round. And he didn't want to be paid like a consultant.

Reeves took exception to the language of the contract, specifically the time constraints. You'll have back up your comment here about the salary. I don't think there was a thing revealed about money unless you know something I never saw.

It is about money.

You do realize that Wade Phillips is paid like a high end coordinator, right?

And it is completely illogical to believe Wade feels this gag order is a bad thing.

What Phillips thinks is about as irrelevant as he is.

The fact is he's one of the few "head coaches" in this league who would tolerate it.

There is a reason why people like Jones and Al Davis pick the Dave Campos and Tom Cables of this world as their head coaches. They are just honored to actually get the job. Phillips is in the same boat. He knew this was his last go around. And he was happy to take this job, which is one of the highest profile in the NFL.

 

[BigDFan5]

But that is by choice.

I can't imagine Jerry putting a gag order on him and Bill just smiling and saying "Sorry boys, can't talk, against the rules." Call it pride, ego whatever there is simply no way Parcells would wilingly be muzzled like that, whether he actually wanted to talk to the media or not. He knows full well the effect this has with the players and the perception of him as the team's leader.

Wade doesn't get that, never has, never will. Its his primary failing as a head coach, he doesn't understand that respect fosters leadership, not giving players pass after pass and more days off. Good X's and O's guy, bad leader.



I don't know why anyone should be happy that Jerry Jones enjoys running the Cowboys as a media sideshow. And take whatever you want from this current gag order, which strangely has no bearing on the players or his own ability to yap into any microphone within 5 feet of them, but it in no way is designed to have Cowboys appear in the media *less*. Quite the opposite.

If the head coach wants to gag his team that is his perogative and not a bad thing. An owner telling the HC he is not allowed to speak until he says so, and that all information will be released to the media by him because he is the "only one with the full picture" is doing his coach a huge disservice, and making him look like a puppet to the players. Well, more of one in this case.



When you have a bag of excuses as large as the new stadium, its pretty easy.

13-3 baby!

So now Wade=Parcells

and not talking to the media = puppet

Nice!

 

[BigDFan5]

You think Romo call his own 4th down play on Parcells?

ummm he did

called a QB sneak on the goaline instead of calling TO like Parcells wanted I believe we were playing the Raiders

 

[Bob Sacamano]

^^^^^lie

 

[BigDFan5]

You do realize that Wade Phillips is paid like a high end coordinator, right?

If he is he is the highest paid coordinator in the league

Garrett makes 3 million a year and is the highest paid coordinator in the NFL

 

[BigDFan5]

^^^^^lie

So what happened?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So what happened?

idk...

 

[Doomsay]

That's just not true and again goes back to how silly people are.

Coaches will do whatever the contract says provided they keep getting paid.

If they have better offers they will take them but it often comes down to money not principles.

Dan Reeves admitted himself he'd sell seats in the stadium, he'd advise in any area of the team, he didn't care. He just didn't want to be told he had to be on the premises year round. And he didn't want to be paid like a consultant.

It is about money.

And it is completely illogical to believe Wade feels this gag order is a bad thing. Almost every coach that has ever moved up to Head Coach say the part they enjoy least is losing but the second thing out of their mouth is media duties. BP is one of the biggest media attention seekers there is in pro coaching but even he distanced himself all off-season. He'd take off to Saratoga Springs or wherever and leave Jerry as team spokesman. One of the things we were so relieved at when he left was how much more info we were going to it. And we did... because of Jerry. Jerry asked the coaches to be available all the time and to sell the brand non-stop. This is a move in the right direction. A move all these vet coaches would agree with.

The thing I like best about Wade is he isn't so insecure he can't handle criticism. He gets annoyed as anyone would but he isn't in the business to change perceptions of him.

This has nothing to do with helping Wade focus on football, it has everything to do with Jerry controlling the spin after yet another self-authored collapse.

Wade knows that he has become a joke within the coaching fraternity, this is just another step down in terms of his reputation. "The coach that wasn't allowed to talk without his GM's approval."

He also knows that this is his last gig as a head coach and probably the last time that he sees money at this level so he's bending every which way he can to please Jerry.

 

[Doomsay]

No its not the issue. Let's not get into a red herring Wade vs. Parcells debate where you compare Parcells taking over a franchise in complete disarray and turning it around to Wade taking over a playoff-ready team and say "Look, Wade has a better record in less time!" Its a bogus argument that no one should take seriously, and has nothing to do with the way Wade has lost this team.

You think Romo call his own 4th down play on Parcells? You think TO gets away with berating Garretson in public? Or even Romo doing it? You think a ridiculous gag order is even *necessary* with Parcells here instead of Coach Softy?

Stupid apples to oranges record comparisons don't mask the fact that the players could care less about Wade, and if he tries to get "tough" with them this year they will laugh at him, or worse rebel. What's he going to do, fine them $100?


No wonder you like Wade, you are both excuse machines. I bet you thought the "Bye Week is like a win" thing was pretty clever.

And again, not the point. For all intents and purposes Wade is not even the head coach of this team anymore, he is the defensive coordinator now who happens to have a bigger office. Jerry has made that quite clear that he is the only one with "the full picture".



Are you kidding me? We lost 2 straight down the stretch we should have won. What team gives up back to 70 yard TD runs to mediocre RBs within 2 minutes to lose a game that costs them a playoffs?

"But Wileedog, they were playoff teams."

Yeah, well maybe we shouldn't have had our collective butts handed to us by the stinking Rams then.

This entire SEASON was about not coming close to what we were "supposed to do." How can you write that off as "Wade hasn't been here long enough?"


I got a feeling its coming hard at a certain set of nimrods for sure, because if this team gets out of the gate slowly this year its going to implode. And there is no one in that locker room - certainly not the coach - that can stop it.

 

[BigDFan5]

idk...

:laugh2:

 

[wileedog]

So now Wade=Parcells

Not even Wade's mom would attempt that comparison.

and not talking to the media = puppet

Being ordered to not talk to the media, even while players still apparently have full access and Jerry speaks to them daily = puppet.

 

[wileedog]

ummm he did

called a QB sneak on the goaline instead of calling TO like Parcells wanted I believe we were playing the Raiders

We didn't play the Raiders in 2006. Link? I don't remember this at all.

Also, LOS audible is not quite the same as the HC calling for the punt unit and the QB waving them off.

 

[BigDFan5]

Not even Wade's mom would attempt that comparison.


Being ordered to not talk to the media, even while players still apparently have full access and Jerry speaks to them daily = puppet.

You cant muzzle players against the CBA

Of course Jerry speaks to them someone has too lol

I am sorry I dont see a player saying "oh man coach cant talk to Galloway haha what a puppet"


The players dont give a damn if the media gets their story

 

[BigDFan5]

We didn't play the Raiders in 2006. Link? I don't remember this at all.

Also, LOS audible is not quite the same as the HC calling for the punt unit and the QB waving them off.

Its was 2005 preseason just looked it up

and yes shaking the coach off is shaking the coach off

 

[wileedog]

The players dont give a damn if the media gets their story

What does this have to do with the media? They will get their story anyway, the cause of all the problems this year were hardly Wade Phillips press conferences.

Point is Jerry has thrown out a full blast "I am in charge of this team, period." You don't think the players see that? You don't think the next time Greg Ellis is unhappy with being taken out on 2nd down or Crayton doesn't want to go over the middle anymore they aren't going to know exactly where to go to complain about it? You don't think they see a lame duck HC with all of the authority of a tackling dummy?

 

[wileedog]

Its was 2005 preseason just looked it up

and yes shaking the coach off is shaking the coach off

Preseason, awesome.

 

[BigDFan5]

What does this have to do with the media? They will get their story anyway, the cause of all the problems this year were hardly Wade Phillips press conferences.

Point is Jerry has thrown out a full blast "I am in charge of this team, period." You don't think the players see that? You don't think the next time Greg Ellis is unhappy with being taken out on 2nd down or Crayton doesn't want to go over the middle anymore they aren't going to know exactly where to go to complain about it? You don't think they see a lame duck HC with all of the authority of a tackling dummy?

The players have known that since they signed their first contract here.

Seriously were you under the impression that Jerry wasnt in charge before now?

Who cares who the players cry to as long as the right decision is made, I dont

 

[BigDFan5]

Preseason, awesome.

Oh I see you can wave them off in preseason gotcha lol

 

[wileedog]

Oh I see you can wave them off in preseason gotcha lol

He wasn't a starter, he made an audible against the Raiders 2nd or 3rd string in a meaningless pre-season game. I'm sure he got creamed for it, and he never once did it again while playing for Parcells.

That is EXACTLY the same as waving off the punt unit and calling his own play in a win-and-in game week 17 of the season. Totally.

And considering the total lack of repercussions, anyone going to be surprised if he does it again this season?

Its your own hole you are digging here.

And again, link please to where he totally changed the call?

 

[cowboyed]

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