News: Vela: The Cowboys Camp Orlando Scandrick Conundrum

[texbumthelife]

Serious kool-aid sipping going on.

Carr was pretty bad last season and Claiborne wasn't even available most of the year. Scandrick may have been the best CB on the roster but that was do more to attrition. It's like getting all hyped up over Selvie being the best DE on the roster last year. It's not saying much.

As for the year(s) before that he couldn't hold Carr's jock in 12' and as hard as he tried, could never beat out Jenkins and deservedly so. He is a quality nickel back and nothing more. I appreciate his efforts, but he isn't a FS or a #1 CB. Not even close.

 

[Idgit]

Vela is correct. Its a good problem to have and he is not suggesting otherwise. Just play the best player.

On a different note, this is perfect example of why regularly restructuring contracts forecloses options in the future. We saw this with Romo and this team's inability (despite Jerry's professed love affair with a certain qb) to draft a qb high. Likewise, We've restructured the Carr contract multiple times and that leaves the team with little flexibility. Wouldn't it be nice, if the team were to find him expendable, to be able to flip him from some D-Line or linebacker help at this point? But that option is effectively off the table because of the multiple restructures.

IIRC, we specifically took the hit on Carr this summer by not restructuring his deal so that we'd have more flexibility on his deal next offseason.

 

[Frozen700]

lol I just changed my sig...whoops.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Idgit]

Serious kool-aid sipping going on.

Carr was pretty bad last season and Claiborne wasn't even available most of the year. Scandrick may have been the best CB on the roster but that was do more to attrition. It's like getting all hyped up over Selvie being the best DE on the roster last year. It's not saying much.

As for the year(s) before that he couldn't hold Carr's jock in 12' and as hard as he tried, could never beat out Jenkins and deservedly so. He is a quality nickel back and nothing more. I appreciate his efforts, but he isn't a FS or a #1 CB. Not even close.

Sorry, but Orlando Scandrick is a good CB, and he's been a good player for a long time. And his ability to play the nickel is a testament to his quickness and not a knock on the guy. Nor is the fact that they played Jenkins on the outside because of his length and because he was never an option inside for us, as we saw when he tried it and failed.

He's our best CB by a fair margin at this point. I won't get into whether or not that makes him a #1 or not, but he's a better CB than either Carr or Claiborne at this point, and I think that's pretty evident.

 

[daveferr33]

IIRC, we specifically took the hit on Carr this summer by not restructuring his deal so that we'd have more flexibility on his deal next offseason.

I believe you recall correctly. If I'm not mistake, that move is exhibit 2 or 3 as to why the FO has changed the ways it does business under Garrett. Correct?

 

[Idgit]

I believe you recall correctly. If I'm not mistake, that move is exhibit 2 or 3 as to why the FO has changed the ways it does business under Garrett. Correct?

Yeah. I didn't actually mean to take away from that point. We've done it too often. I was just glad to see us *not* do it for Carr, since this season's going to be a make/break for him in Dallas.

 

[texbumthelife]

Sorry, but Orlando Scandrick is a good CB, and he's been a good player for a long time. And his ability to play the nickel is a testament to his quickness and not a knock on the guy. Nor is the fact that they played Jenkins on the outside because of his length and because he was never an option inside for us, as we saw when he tried it and failed.

He's our best CB by a fair margin at this point. I won't get into whether or not that makes him a #1 or not, but he's a better CB than either Carr or Claiborne at this point, and I think that's pretty evident.

Wait, when did I say he wasn't good? When did I say him being a good nickel corner was a bad thing?

That total BS about Jenkins though. Jenkins was exceptionally more talented as a cover corner.

I already said he was the best corner last year, but Carr can and will be better if he plays like '12 again and who even knows with Claiborne. Last year was Scandick's best year by far and Carr's worst. You're taking one guys worst season as a pro and comparing it against another guy's best. That's hardly level-headed judgement. Hence, drinking the kool-aid, as you so evidently are.

 

[Idgit]

Wait, when did I say he wasn't good? When did I say him being a good nickel corner was a bad thing?

That total BS about Jenkins though. Jenkins was exceptionally more talented as a cover corner.

I already said he was the best corner last year, but Carr can and will be better if he plays like '12 again and who even knows with Claiborne. Last year was Scandick's best year by far and Carr's worst. You're taking one guys worst season as a pro and comparing it against another guy's best. That's hardly level-headed judgement. Hence, drinking the kool-aid, as you so evidently are.

Not sure you can drink koolaid regarding two players on the same team. But let's just agree to disagree. Carr did play really well in '12. So did Scandrick. I hope Carr gets back to that level, but the reality is, the biggest variable between '12 and '13 was the defensive scheme change. Until we see him adjust to that effectively, it's assuming a lot to hope that he does. Scandrick, however, has reportedly continued is strong play in camp so far. It's a lot more reasonable to assume that'll continue to be the case.

I'm not sure Jenkins was ever an exceptionally more talented cover corner. He was a better player than he's often given credit for being, but he wasn't ever exceptionally better than Scandrick, even when they came in together. They were different players physically, and it made sense for the team to play them they way they played them when they were both here. But there was a reason we extended one and not the other. And I'm not sure it had all that much to do with Jenkins wanting more money than Scandrick was wiling to accept in an extension.