Very Impressive!

[tyke1doe]

Jourdan Lewis has a trial in July for domestic abuse...

Yes, he does. But I'm not following your point. Please elaborate.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Shoulder injury, failed combine drug test which led to revelation of multiple failed tests in college and got kicked out of the combine for getting into a heated argument with a nurse.

What was the failed drug test for?

 

[CowboyRoy]

1. Attitude issues/immaturity (see incident which led to his release from the Combine)

2. Injuries (see reports about Foster's shoulder. Even he himself said he needs to work to get his shoulder strong)

3. Drug issues (I say this based on the diluted urine sample, which is a strong indication of drug use. And while I never heard of him flunking a drug test at Alabama, I believe I saw post that indicated he had fail multiple drug tests at Alabama but they weren't disclosed. I'm trying to check the validity of this information.)

Those do sound like issues. Depending on the drug test, passing on him may have been the right call then.

 

[Proof]

What was the failed drug test for?

Yeah, sorry. Failed is the wrong word I suppose, he got flagged for a diluted sample which is an automatic failure due to likely masking weed

 

[Future]

Yes, he does. But I'm not following your point. Please elaborate.

We aren't really shying away from guys with character concerns.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, sorry. Failed is the wrong word I suppose, he got flagged for a diluted sample which is an automatic failure due to likely masking weed

I want nothing to do with another Weed head. Looks like they were better to pass on him.

 

[ksg811]

We aren't really shying away from guys with character concerns.

Details are shaky at best. She claims he grabbed her by the neck and dragged her across the floor. No visible marks were observed by the officers at the scene to corroborate her story. He admits that they had an argument and that he grabbed her to get her off of him so he could leave to claims no malicious wrongdoing. Of course, that is for the court to decide.

This is the only negative on his character resume and all other reports are he is a good, high character kid. I'm sure they did an extensive background check before pulling the trigger on him.

 

[Future]

Details are shaky at best. She claims he grabbed her by the neck and dragged her across the floor. No visible marks were observed by the officers at the scene to corroborate her story. He admits that they had an argument and that he grabbed her to get her off of him so he could leave to claims no malicious wrongdoing. Of course, that is for the court to decide.

This is the only negative on his character resume and all other reports are he is a good, high character kid. I'm sure they did an extensive background check before pulling the trigger on him.

Yea I get that. I don't even have a problem with the pick.

I'm just saying that it's not like the Cowboys are taking guys with character red flags off their draft board.

 

[Doomsday101]

McClay, Stephen and Jason deserve a ton a credit for another outstanding draft class.

Looking forward, the Cowboys have 10 draft picks next year.

Leaving 1 out aren't you? lol Old Jerry gets blamed on players who do not pan out but gets no credit for top picks? lol

 

[Proof]

Yea I get that. I don't even have a problem with the pick.

I'm just saying that it's not like the Cowboys are taking guys with character red flags off their draft board.

They are though. It's evident. He was clearly an exception.

 

[Doomsday101]

For draft purposes. I think he has.

Then he should not catch hell for those who do not pan out correct? or his Jerry job to be the whipping boy for all that goes wrong?

 

[Future]

They are though. It's evident. He was clearly an exception.

If there's an exception, then they aren't doing that lol

 

[Proof]

Then he should not catch hell for those who do not pan out correct? or his Jerry job to be the whipping boy for all that goes wrong?

Folks always seem to want it both ways with Jerry. Bad picks, he's a ********** searching buffoon exercising power he should no longer have, good picks and the rest of the staff was able to wrestle power away from the madman.

 

[Doomsday101]

Folks always seem to want it both ways with Jerry. Bad picks, he's a ********** searching buffoon exercising power he should no longer have, good picks and the rest of the staff was able to wrestle power away from the madman.

I agree. I have no issue with people coming down on Jerry when things do not go well or a player is a bust. However to this day Jerry is owner and GM of the Cowboys. Any input from others is because Jerry hired them or put them in a position to have a say. Even Stephen he works for his dad not the other way around.

 

[Proof]

If there's an exception, then they aren't doing that lol

I'm saying I don't think he's a charachrer concern. Even if you believe he is and want to semantically argue that taking him dispels the notion, it's clear as day that their threshold is extremely low and you can predict with pretty good accuracy guys they wouldn't touch

 

[Future]

I'm saying I don't think he's a charachrer concern. Even if you believe he is and want to semantically argue that taking him dispels the notion, it's clear as day that their threshold is extremely low and you can predict with pretty good accuracy guys they wouldn't touch

I don't see how anyone can seriously say that Foster was off the draft board because of his issues but they drafted Lewis and think that you can be accurate in predicting who is and isn't on their board.

How many guys have they drafted in the last couple years that have suspensions or legal issues? Off the top of my head, Gregory, Lawrence, Zeke, Tapper all had something or other in college.

 

[Proof]

I don't see how anyone can seriously say that Foster was off the draft board because of his issues but they drafted Lewis and think that you can be accurate in predicting who is and isn't on their board.

How many guys have they drafted in the last couple years that have suspensions or legal issues? Off the top of my head, Gregory, Lawrence, Zeke, Tapper all had something or other in college.

Maybe you're right. I don't particularly think do but you make semi valid points.

Can you refresh my memory on Tapper? I don't recall ever hearing anything about him.

As far as Foster, I'd have to think at this point failing a drug test at the combine is an immediate disqualifier for obvious reasons. On top of getting thrown out etc. Then Tim Williams for sure.

 

[Future]

Maybe you're right. I don't particularly think do but you make semi valid points.

Can you refresh my memory on Tapper? I don't recall ever hearing anything about him.

As far as Foster, I'd have to think at this point failing a drug test at the combine is an immediate disqualifier for obvious reasons. On top of getting thrown out etc. Then Tim Williams for sure.

Tapper got a suspension for a game for throwing a punch and getting ejected in a game. It was a minor thing, but still a suspension.

My only point is that you can't look at this draft and say "the Cowboys aren't taking guys with red flags" like the first post I quoted suggested. They passed on Foster but didn't pass on Lewis, so you can't really glean anything from it.

 

[Proof]

Tapper got a suspension for a game for throwing a punch and getting ejected in a game. It was a minor thing, but still a suspension.

My only point is that you can't look at this draft and say "the Cowboys aren't taking guys with red flags" like the first post I quoted suggested. They passed on Foster but didn't pass on Lewis, so you can't really glean anything from it.

Except that I think that you can. And fairly easily. But doesn't look like there's any convincing that can occur, and really not much reason to try.

It's funny how we tend to get boned both ways tho. Pass on Moss, regret it forever, let it influence the selection of Gregory, regret it forever, let it influence our strategy moving forward and...

 

[ksg811]

I don't see how anyone can seriously say that Foster was off the draft board because of his issues but they drafted Lewis and think that you can be accurate in predicting who is and isn't on their board.

How many guys have they drafted in the last couple years that have suspensions or legal issues? Off the top of my head, Gregory, Lawrence, Zeke, Tapper all had something or other in college.

I don't think there are any steadfast rules but taken on a case by case basis. For instance I can see it playing out any of the following ways:

1. Failed test is an automatic no go - Can't risk another Gregory

2. Multiple incidents are subjected to potential removal - This points towards immaturity and a risk of future potentially negative behavior.

3. Singular events are evaluated on a case by case basis - Pretty self explanatory. The team's investigators gather as much information and details as possible and a level of risk is added into the player evaluation based on that "evidence", potentially dropping them a round or 2 or off altogether depending on severity/likelihood of guilt.

In the above, a guy like Reuben Foster would be off the board for failing numbers 1 and 2. Jourdan Lewis would be under increased scrutiny falling in number 3, but would only see a minor hit as the details are shaky at best and the odds of a conviction are very low.

That is likely an oversimplication, but I could see the team implementing more complex kind of tiered character evaluation like I have above.