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03EBZ06;1568728 said:
Suggesting the Feds may well have him lined up to testify against Vick as well... remember, indictments rarely show the state's entire case...
Vick co-defendant pleads guilty
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Suggesting the Feds may well have him lined up to testify against Vick as well... remember, indictments rarely show the state's entire case...
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dargonking999;1568847 said:
And he'll be going to jail for it... he'll just be going to jail for a somewhat shorter time than he would have if he hadn't agreed to testify for the Feds...
Consider also that without Vick's money financing this whole thing, there is no Bad Newz Kennels, thys no dogs being killed by Tony Taylor...
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dargonking999;1568885 said:
I have plenty of outrage for him, but it will be lessened a little if he proves to be the final nail in Vick's coffin...
Others in here aren't as outraged by his offenses because he's not an NFL player... this is after all a FOOTBALL board, so naturally our focus would be on the NFL player...
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dargonking999;1568885 said:
Mostly because this is a football message board. That is why it mostly revolves around Vick in this case. Then in the general public it becomes name recognition. Everyone knows Michael Vick and can put a face to the name. People will start recognizing Taylor's name, but most won't know what he looks like. That doesn't mean they don't despise what he has done or what he stands for. Plus this just happened. Give it time and more and more people will show their outrage at Taylor. It still won't approach the outrage toward Vick because he is the guy in charge. Taylor is just his representative. Based on what they are accused of I see all four guys as scum. Once the trial is completed maybe what is proven goes with the charges.
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dargonking999;1568885 said:
How'd this guy get a DVS membership anyhow?
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dargonking999;1568885 said:
As I said all of these guys are scum and 1 is a public figure which is why he will catch more heat. Just the fact of life, you put yourself in the lime light you better watch yourself
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RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- One of the co-defendants in the Michael Vick federal dogfighting case pleaded guilty on Monday and pledged to fully cooperate with prosecutors
Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, entered the guilty plea in U.S. District Court in Richmond. He will be sentenced December 14.
Taylor, along with Vick and two other co-defendants, had pleaded not guilty Thursday before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson.
In changing his plea to guilty, Taylor waived his right to appeal. He told the judge that he understands he is now a convicted felon.
Taylor said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation.
"You're pleading guilty and taking your chances, right?" Hudson asked. Taylor responded, "Yes."
Hudson then asked, "You have agreed to cooperate fully with the United States, is that right?" Taylor again said yes.
It is widely believed that Taylor's plea, which had been expected, and his future cooperation could hurt Vick and help the government prove its case against the Atlanta Falcons' star quarterback.
In his first public comment since the indictment, Vick called his legal predicament "a crazy situation" and said he hopes to return soon to the the gridiron, wearing a Falcons jersey.
But he acknowledged in a phone interview Monday with Atlanta radio station V-103, "There are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."
"I've been (in Atlanta) for the last seven years of my life. I would love to come back," Vick told radio personality Porsche Foxx. "But it remains to be seen."
The president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP criticized the prosecution of Vick at a news conference Monday morning. Dr. R.L. White, Jr., accused the government of "piling on."
"There's a penalty in football for piling on," White told reporters. "After a player has been tackled and somebody piles on, they're penalized for unnecessary roughness. Today, the NAACP blows the whistle and warns the powers that be that you are piling on." Watch White caution the public to keep an open mind »
Along with Vick, Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, Georgia, are scheduled to stand trial on November 26.
They were charged by a federal grand jury last week with organizing bloody and vicious dogfights on a piece of property that Vick bought in 2001. They also are accused of transporting and delivering dogs across state lines.
The indictment says Taylor discovered the site that became the Bad Newz Kennels -- the staging area for housing and training the pit bulls and hosting dog fights.
Prosecutors also accuse Taylor of helping to buy pit bulldogs and puppies, and of executing at least two dogs "who did not perform well in 'testing' sessions ... by shooting one dog and electrocuting the other."
If the men are convicted on both portions of the conspiracy charge, they each could be sentenced to up to six years in prison and fined $350,000, prosecutors said.
The indictment says dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit or lost matches also were put to death by drowning and hanging.
Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.
Vick is one of pro football's highest-profile and highest-paid players, signing a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons in 2004. He was a standout at Virginia Tech and the first player chosen in the 2001 NFL draft. E-mail to a friend
Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, entered the guilty plea in U.S. District Court in Richmond. He will be sentenced December 14.
Taylor, along with Vick and two other co-defendants, had pleaded not guilty Thursday before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson.
In changing his plea to guilty, Taylor waived his right to appeal. He told the judge that he understands he is now a convicted felon.
Taylor said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation.
"You're pleading guilty and taking your chances, right?" Hudson asked. Taylor responded, "Yes."
Hudson then asked, "You have agreed to cooperate fully with the United States, is that right?" Taylor again said yes.
It is widely believed that Taylor's plea, which had been expected, and his future cooperation could hurt Vick and help the government prove its case against the Atlanta Falcons' star quarterback.
In his first public comment since the indictment, Vick called his legal predicament "a crazy situation" and said he hopes to return soon to the the gridiron, wearing a Falcons jersey.
But he acknowledged in a phone interview Monday with Atlanta radio station V-103, "There are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."
"I've been (in Atlanta) for the last seven years of my life. I would love to come back," Vick told radio personality Porsche Foxx. "But it remains to be seen."
The president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP criticized the prosecution of Vick at a news conference Monday morning. Dr. R.L. White, Jr., accused the government of "piling on."
"There's a penalty in football for piling on," White told reporters. "After a player has been tackled and somebody piles on, they're penalized for unnecessary roughness. Today, the NAACP blows the whistle and warns the powers that be that you are piling on." Watch White caution the public to keep an open mind »
Along with Vick, Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, Georgia, are scheduled to stand trial on November 26.
They were charged by a federal grand jury last week with organizing bloody and vicious dogfights on a piece of property that Vick bought in 2001. They also are accused of transporting and delivering dogs across state lines.
The indictment says Taylor discovered the site that became the Bad Newz Kennels -- the staging area for housing and training the pit bulls and hosting dog fights.
Prosecutors also accuse Taylor of helping to buy pit bulldogs and puppies, and of executing at least two dogs "who did not perform well in 'testing' sessions ... by shooting one dog and electrocuting the other."
If the men are convicted on both portions of the conspiracy charge, they each could be sentenced to up to six years in prison and fined $350,000, prosecutors said.
The indictment says dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit or lost matches also were put to death by drowning and hanging.
Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.
Vick is one of pro football's highest-profile and highest-paid players, signing a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons in 2004. He was a standout at Virginia Tech and the first player chosen in the 2001 NFL draft. E-mail to a friend
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Lots of good reads and insights guys.... but... until he is found guilty and convicted... he can still get off. Guilty or not.
I am not sold that his conviction is a lock.
It is very sad to read that dogs are executed in the many ways described. Its disgusting.
I am not sold that his conviction is a lock.
It is very sad to read that dogs are executed in the many ways described. Its disgusting.
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dargonking999;1568832 said:
The trouble is, without pics - we have no idea whether this guy has corn rows, or gold teeth, dreadlocks or a nice shiny grill.
Consequently, we don't have any way of knowing how much of a "thug" this guy really is.
And as we all know, being a thug is bad news - IMO worse than a stoolie who trained and killed dogs.
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All im saying is that
I want all of who particpated in these hanius acts to go to prison for life. I don't want any of them getting any lesser time, i don't care if they starting singing about where Osama is. I don't think its fair to say well since he ca give us more evidence on Vick we'll let him get out of jail earlier. NO! they all need to go to prison and rot there. If they had enough evidence to indict Vick, then they shldn't need his crappy tesitmony
I want all of who particpated in these hanius acts to go to prison for life. I don't want any of them getting any lesser time, i don't care if they starting singing about where Osama is. I don't think its fair to say well since he ca give us more evidence on Vick we'll let him get out of jail earlier. NO! they all need to go to prison and rot there. If they had enough evidence to indict Vick, then they shldn't need his crappy tesitmony
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dargonking999;1569399 said:
That is not how the world turns. Deals are cut to get the people at the top. Same with Enron, lower end people were offered deals to help take down the people at the top.
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Doomsday101;1569406 said:
So?
Doesn't mean i can't want it
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Co-defendant says he wasn't offered sentence deal to cooperate
Associated Press
Updated: July 30, 2007, 6:44 PM ET
RICHMOND, Va. -- One of Michael Vick's co-defendants pleaded guilty Monday to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.
Vick Breaks Silence
In his first public comments since his indictment on federal dogfighting charges, Falcons quarterback Michael Vick told Porsche Foxx on Atlanta radio station WVEE-FM that he knows he has put Atlanta and and Falcons owner "through a lot" but that he's "gonna get through it."
"I know I've put the city through a lot. My owner, Arthur Blank, who I love sincerely, I've put him through a lot. And you know it's hurt me to put him through these situations to have to deal with that because he shouldn't have to," Vick said.
Vick thanked those who have continued supporting him and added, "It's a crisis situation for me, but I'm gonna get through it." Vick said he'd like to return to the Falcons once his legal problems are over, but "there are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."
As part of a plea agreement, Tony Taylor pledged to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick and two other men accused of running an interstate dogfighting enterprise known as "Bad Newz Kennels" on Vick's property in rural Surry County.
"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," a summary of facts supporting the plea agreement and signed by Taylor states.
The plea deal requires Taylor to testify against Vick and his two remaining co-defendants if called upon to do so. Taylor cannot get a stiffer sentence or face any new charges based on any new information he provides, according to terms of the agreement.
Additional charges are possible, however, against Vick and the other two. Federal prosecutors have said a superseding indictment will be issued in August.
Vick's lead attorney, Billy Martin, did not immediately return a phone message.
Taylor, 34, of Hampton, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.
Vick pleaded not guilty to the same charges last week and said in a written statement that he looked forward to "clearing my good name." He also pleaded with the public to resist a rush to judgment.
The gruesome details outlined in the July 17 indictment have fueled public protests against Vick and prompted the suspension of some of his lucrative endorsement deals. Also, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has barred Vick from the Falcons' training camp.
The summary of facts signed by Taylor supports the indictment's claims that the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. Taylor admitted shooting one dog and electrocuting another when they did not perform well in test fights in the summer of 2002.
Vick, 27, attended several dogfights in Virginia and other states with his partners, according to the statement. Prosecutors claim the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.
Taylor, who will be sentenced Dec. 14, said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation with the government.
He faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000, although federal sentencing guidelines likely will call for less. The range will be determined by the court's probation office, but the judge can depart from that range if he finds aggravating or mitigating circumstances.
Taylor and his attorney, Stephen A. Hudgins of Newport News, declined to answer reporters' questions as they left the federal courthouse. Prosecutors also would not comment.
During the hearing, Taylor spoke only in response to routine yes-or-no questions from U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. He answered "Yes" when the judge asked if he had agreed to cooperate with the government.
Taylor acknowledged in the summary of facts that he found the property that Vick purchased in 2001 for $30,000 for development into a dogfighting compound. Taylor says he maintained and trained the dogs for about three years, using his share of winnings -- which were split among the partners -- for living expenses.
He left the operation after a falling out with co-defendant Quanis L. Phillips and others in September 2004, according to the statement of facts.
Vick and Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, are scheduled for trial Nov. 26. They remain free without bond.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
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Updated: July 30, 2007, 6:44 PM ET
RICHMOND, Va. -- One of Michael Vick's co-defendants pleaded guilty Monday to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.
Vick Breaks Silence
In his first public comments since his indictment on federal dogfighting charges, Falcons quarterback Michael Vick told Porsche Foxx on Atlanta radio station WVEE-FM that he knows he has put Atlanta and and Falcons owner "through a lot" but that he's "gonna get through it."
"I know I've put the city through a lot. My owner, Arthur Blank, who I love sincerely, I've put him through a lot. And you know it's hurt me to put him through these situations to have to deal with that because he shouldn't have to," Vick said.
Vick thanked those who have continued supporting him and added, "It's a crisis situation for me, but I'm gonna get through it." Vick said he'd like to return to the Falcons once his legal problems are over, but "there are a lot of things that needed to be worked out."
As part of a plea agreement, Tony Taylor pledged to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick and two other men accused of running an interstate dogfighting enterprise known as "Bad Newz Kennels" on Vick's property in rural Surry County.
"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," a summary of facts supporting the plea agreement and signed by Taylor states.
The plea deal requires Taylor to testify against Vick and his two remaining co-defendants if called upon to do so. Taylor cannot get a stiffer sentence or face any new charges based on any new information he provides, according to terms of the agreement.
Additional charges are possible, however, against Vick and the other two. Federal prosecutors have said a superseding indictment will be issued in August.
Vick's lead attorney, Billy Martin, did not immediately return a phone message.
Taylor, 34, of Hampton, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.
Vick pleaded not guilty to the same charges last week and said in a written statement that he looked forward to "clearing my good name." He also pleaded with the public to resist a rush to judgment.
The gruesome details outlined in the July 17 indictment have fueled public protests against Vick and prompted the suspension of some of his lucrative endorsement deals. Also, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has barred Vick from the Falcons' training camp.
The summary of facts signed by Taylor supports the indictment's claims that the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. Taylor admitted shooting one dog and electrocuting another when they did not perform well in test fights in the summer of 2002.
Vick, 27, attended several dogfights in Virginia and other states with his partners, according to the statement. Prosecutors claim the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.
Taylor, who will be sentenced Dec. 14, said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation with the government.
He faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000, although federal sentencing guidelines likely will call for less. The range will be determined by the court's probation office, but the judge can depart from that range if he finds aggravating or mitigating circumstances.
Taylor and his attorney, Stephen A. Hudgins of Newport News, declined to answer reporters' questions as they left the federal courthouse. Prosecutors also would not comment.
During the hearing, Taylor spoke only in response to routine yes-or-no questions from U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. He answered "Yes" when the judge asked if he had agreed to cooperate with the government.
Taylor acknowledged in the summary of facts that he found the property that Vick purchased in 2001 for $30,000 for development into a dogfighting compound. Taylor says he maintained and trained the dogs for about three years, using his share of winnings -- which were split among the partners -- for living expenses.
He left the operation after a falling out with co-defendant Quanis L. Phillips and others in September 2004, according to the statement of facts.
Vick and Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, are scheduled for trial Nov. 26. They remain free without bond.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
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Starting to look like Linda Kasabian vs the Manson family. This Vick cat is in REAL deep. Best bet is cop to about 2 years and hope you sit 2 months and a year out of the NFL. Who they gonna believe, a witness and the US Government or 3 hood rats?