Vick Indicted

[ilovejerry]

This is some good stuff. WOW. all right now I can get off the toilet from my morning....And start my day. ( is that too much info ) well too bad I have to go down to the cages and beat the dogs and get them ready for "Friday night Fights " so your all welcome to join me if you got the coin !!!!

 

[Stautner]

Not to detract from this interesting discussion but but since you brought up the obvious with the word guilty in what he quoted, I can't quite understand how you missed the obvious with the word or two words earlier. Lets look at the definition...

or 1

(ôr; ər when unstressed) Pronunciation Key
conj.

1. 1. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.
   2. Used to indicate the second of two alternatives, the first being preceded by either or whether: Your answer is either ingenious or wrong. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

According to that one of the two criteria needs to be met not both. Now lets look at what he linked from the CBA...

Player recognizes the detriment to the League and professional football that would result from impairment of public confidence in the honest and orderly conduct of NFL games or the integrity and good character of NFL players....
....or is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged by the League Commisioner to be detrimental to the league or professional football, the Commisioner will have the right, but only after giving Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be represented by counsel of his choice, to fine Player in a reasonable amount; to suspend player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or terminate his contract

Nowhere before the word "or" do I see the word guilty. Therefore, according to this he does not have to be found guilty to meet the criteria of part one of what I am reading. And in reading this, if he meets part one and does not meet part two (being the part where he must be found guilty of something) he could still face the punishment listed at the bottom.

Before I get burned by one side or the other on this, I don't mean to add to the fire on either side. I know there is some substance in there is left out by typing "....." and I could be completely wrong. Just thought I would mention that small oversight. I don't post here often but read you guys everyday for my Cowboys news (beats any other sports site or channel). Just decided to see if I could get some information and clarification... and boy did I... all 32 pages lol

Please keep up the good work... keep me informed and entertained lol

carry on...

Nowhere before the word 'or" do you see ANYTHING ...... that was the beginning of the quote of that line. How can you make judgements when you don't even know what the line said before the word "or"?

As for the English lesson, you should have recognized that the .... preceding the word "or" means that the line was just picking up at that point, so you should have recognized that you didn't have all the information to make a judgment.

 

[DLCassidy]

For you lawyers...

When verdict is read, why does judge or jury foreman say "Guilty" or "Not Guilty"?

Why not "Guilty" or "Innocent"?

Just wondering.

Not sure- maybe you ask OJ.

 

[Stautner]

well maybe technically it is his "first" strike but how anyone can compare
situations like Pac Man or another repeat offender to this is puzzling. By the letter of the rule, if a man has a dui one night, and a year later gets into an altercation, he is a "repeat" offender. But Vick, supposedly, ran an organized crime ring for at least 5 years. They systematically planned and managed a brutal for-profit organization and even marketed it, one which had animals rape each other, performed torture and killed the animals. This would mean that every day Vick woke up for about 2,000 days he was "offending" but the guy who has two weak days in that same period is the "repeat" offender. It just does not make sense and I really hope Goddell suspends this guy asap.

The comparison isn't in the severity of the crime - emotions over the type of crime can't be the judge becasue that's when innocent people get screwed.

Now, I'm not saying that Vick is innocent, my guess he is not, but we can't apply the law or even the actions of a body like the NFL differently based on emotional responses.

Pacman has had 5-6 incidents with the law in a single year - his ONLY year in the NFL - and he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past. That's the difference.

 

[03EBZ06]

Michael Vick's troubles might not end at the federal courthouse steps.

The top state prosecutor in Surry County, Va. said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback "more than likely" face state charges in addition to the dogfighting charges brought against him by a federal grand jury on Tuesday, according to the Virginian-Pilot newspaper of Hampton Roads.

Surry County Commmonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter told the newspaper was not sure what charges Vick might face and that any indictment by a local grand jury could be months away. "But we're very moved by the idea of animals being executed," he said, according to the newspaper.

According to Poindexter, dogfighting and cruelty to animals when the animal is a companion dog are felonies in Virginia, the Virginian-Pilot reported.

However, unlike the federal indictment against Vick and three others, any charges sought by Poindexter seeks must be on crimes alleged to have been committed in Surry County, the newspaper reported.

Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation so grisly the losers either died in the pit or sometimes were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot.

Vick and three others were charged with competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines. The defendants are scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Richmond on July 26.

Vick, Purnell Peace, Tony Taylor and Quanis Phillips will appear before a magistrate judge, Dennis Dohnal, at 3:30 p.m. for bond and at 4 p.m. in front of Judge Henry Hudson for arraignment. If convicted, Vick and the others could face up to six years in prison, $350,000 in fines and restitution.

Several league sources told ESPN.com on Wednesday night that Vick spoke by phone with Falcons owner Arthur Blank earlier in the day. None of the sources knew or would divulge the exact wording of the brief conversation, but characterized Vick as "devastated" by the indictment and contrite.

Meanwhile, The Associated Press reported that after consulting with the Falcons, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and top league officials agreed Wednesday to let Vick play as the legal process determines the facts.

The Associated Press and ESPN.com senior NFL writers Len Pasquarelli contributed to this report.

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Hmmm, interesting comment by Poindexter. I thought any dog fighting was felony not just companion dogs.

 

[fortdick]

Another "shake your head" moment. The madness continues.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13708685/detail.html?rss=dgo&psp=news

Must have been a great upbringing.:bang2:

 

[BouncingCheese]

Heard on the radio last night a bunch of other dog fighters (with morphed voices in order to mask their identities) that they are terrified that Vick will rat out other known dog fighters.... possibly they could be NFL players. No one knows. But I wouldn't put it past them to think that they could be. Vick was involved in this terrible ish...

 

[fortdick]

Heard on the radio last night a bunch of other dog fighters (with morphed voices in order to mask their identities) that they are terrified that Vick will rat out other known dog fighters.... possibly they could be NFL players. No one knows. But I wouldn't put it past them to think that they could be. Vick was involved in this terrible ish...

I would crack up if the gangsta Vick and his homies rolled on other NFL players.

 

[5Stars]

I would crack up if the gangsta Vick and his homies rolled on other NFL players.

Run, Portis, run fast!

:laugh1:

 

[03EBZ06]

Heard on the radio last night a bunch of other dog fighters (with morphed voices in order to mask their identities) that they are terrified that Vick will rat out other known dog fighters.... possibly they could be NFL players. No one knows. But I wouldn't put it past them to think that they could be. Vick was involved in this terrible ish...

I mentioned possibility of other NFL player's involvement on other thread. Could Vick's indictment be tip of the iceberg? Will there be more casualties?

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.

 

[iceberg]

I mentioned possibility of other NFL player's involvement on other thread. Could Vick's indictment be tip of the iceberg? Will there be more casualties?

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.

HEY!!!!

 

[03EBZ06]

HEY!!!!

Doh!

I unintentionally caught one. :laugh1: