Vick not pleading to dog killing and gambling?

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I caught the tail end of the story.

If this is in fact true... then he is a shoe in to get back to the NFL... probably even with the Falcons.

Atlanta, GA is gonna do a number on Arthur Blank.
 

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Doesn't matter, the damage is done.

No one wants this POS on their team.
 

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YoMick;1602405 said:
I caught the tail end of the story.

If this is in fact true... then he is a shoe in to get back to the NFL... probably even with the Falcons.

Atlanta, GA is gonna do a number on Arthur Blank.
The Falcons will not take him back. Look for him to be cut in June of next year.
 

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YoMick;1602405 said:
I caught the tail end of the story.

If this is in fact true... then he is a shoe in to get back to the NFL... probably even with the Falcons.

Atlanta, GA is gonna do a number on Arthur Blank.


What he's a shoe in for is a big BUBBA givin him the dirty bird:laugh2:
 

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Source: Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights

ESPN.com

Updated: August 24, 2007, 12:56 AM ET


Is Vick's Plea Bargain in Jeopardy?


Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights, as detailed in his indictment, when he enters a guilty plea in a Richmond, Va., federal court Monday, a source close to the case has told ESPN. Instead, the one count of conspiracy that Vick will plead to will admit guilt to the charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dogfighting.
The source told ESPN that Vick's defense team met with federal attorneys Thursday afternoon to determine the "summary of facts" to which Vick will plead, and that his attorneys believed they had a deal. The source said Vick maintains he never killed dogs and never gambled on a dog fight.
He will admit he was present when dogs were killed, but that he did not personally kill any of the dogs.
The allegations of killing dogs and gambling were part of the picture painted by Vick's three co-defendants, all of whom have pleaded guilty.
Vick, 27, is scheduled to enter his plea agreement Monday and could face up to five years in prison.
Vick's co-defendants said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the Bad Newz Kennels enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight dogs seen as underperforming by various means, including drowning and hanging.
A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the terms are not final, told The Associated Press Wednesday that prosecutors will recommend a sentence of one year to 18 months. However, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is not bound by that recommendation or by federal sentencing guidelines that will call for less than the five-year maximum.
It's still unclear whether all this will end the career of one of the NFL's most dazzling players.
Vick has been barred from training camp by the NFL, and commissioner Roger Goodell has asked the Falcons not to take any action until the league rules.
Goodell can suspend Vick under the NFL's personal conduct policy. While the league hasn't said whether a potential suspension would be concurrent with Vick's prison sentence, it probably would take effect once he is released from custody.
That means Vick likely would miss both the 2007 and 2008 seasons.
The Falcons in 2004 signed Vick to a 10-year, $130 million contract, at the time, one of the largest in NFL history. The bonus and guaranteed money he received in his contract totaled $44 million, and the team could try to reclaim part of that.
Vick has also lost lucrative contracts with sponsors. Rawlings, Nike, Reebok and Upper Deck are among the companies that have either ended contracts with him or stopped sales of his merchandise.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 

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Why would the Feds, who hold all the cards, agree to let him plead to that, and not the gambling charges?? They have all the evidence they need to prove those charges...
 

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Reports: Vick's Father Says He Asked Falcons Star to Stop Dogfighting
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Email this Story[/FONT]

Aug 24, 1:17 AM (ET) LINK

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]ATLANTA (AP) - Michael Vick's father said he asked his son to give up dogfighting, or to at least put property used in the venture in the names of others to avoid being implicated, according to a report in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Also Thursday night, a report on ESPN.com cited an unidentified ESPN source saying Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dogfights when he enters a guilty plea in a Richmond, Va., federal court Monday. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]ESPN reported that Vick's defense team met with federal attorneys Thursday afternoon to determine the "summary of facts" to which Vick will plead. But ESPN's source said Vick maintains he never killed dogs and never gambled on a dog fight. The source told ESPN the Atlanta Falcons quarterback will plead guilty to the charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dogfighting.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]On Monday, Vick agreed to plead guilty Monday in the federal dogfighting case in Richmond. He faces up to five years in prison and the possible end of his football career. Three co-defendants already pleaded guilty and were expected to testify against Vick if the case went to trial. In addition, a Virginia prosecutor is considering bringing state charges against Vick. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]In The Journal-Constitution report posted on the newspaper's Web site Thursday night, Michael Boddie, who is estranged from Vick and the quarterback's mother, also said some time around 2001 his son staged dogfights in the garage of the family home in Newport News, Va. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Boddie told the newspaper Vick kept fighting dogs in the family's backyard, including dogs that were "bit up, chewed up, exhausted." Boddie claimed to have nursed the dogs back to health. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]The indictment against Vick does not mention the parents' former home in Newport News. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]In the report, Boddie dismissed the idea that Vick's longtime friends were the main instigators of the dogfighting operation. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]"I wish people would stop sugarcoating it," Boddie told The Journal-Constitution. "This is Mike's thing. And he knows it ... likes it, and he has the capital to have a set up like that." [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]The report said Boddie and the Atlanta Falcons quarterback have had a volatile relationship for years and that his son has refused to speak with him directly for the last 2½ half months. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]Boddie, 45, lives in an apartment his son has paid the rent on for the last three years. Vick, who has a $130 million contract with the Falcons, also gives him a couple of hundred dollars every week or two, the father told the newspaper. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]In the report, Boddie also said he asked Vick for $1 million, spread out over 12 years, Vick declined, the father said. Recently, Boddie asked Vick, through an assistant, for $700,000 to live on.[/FONT]
 

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silverbear;1602482 said:
Why would the Feds, who hold all the cards, agree to let him plead to that, and not the gambling charges?? They have all the evidence they need to prove those charges...


Apparantly they don't, those thugs that turned on Vick have vast criminal records. Some in jail on other charges today.

This confirms the real storyline, Vick not guilty on gambling. Opens up a return to NFL after he does his time. He plead guilty there he was open to lifetime suspension.

He screwed up royally but will eventually get a 2nd chance. Not in Atlanta though.
 

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HopeCowboyFan;1602584 said:
Apparantly they don't, those thugs that turned on Vick have vast criminal records. Some in jail on other charges today.

This confirms the real storyline, Vick not guilty on gambling. Opens up a return to NFL after he does his time. He plead guilty there he was open to lifetime suspension.

Naw, he might not actually plead guilty to gambling (if this report is accurate, which none of us really knows at that point), but pleading guilty to the charges that they claim he will be is the same thing as admitting you participated in illegal gambling, because dog fights and illegal gambling go hand in hand...

You can bet that Goodell will not split the hair that you're trying to split here when it comes time to deal out a suspension... you can bet that he's gonna punish Vick for his involvement in illegal gambling, and that involvement will cause the penalty to be stiffer...

He screwed up royally but will eventually get a 2nd chance. Not in Atlanta though.

I think whether or not he gets a second chance will depend on how long he's out of the game... if it's three years, he might not get a nibble when it's time for him to come back... but if it's a shorter time, you're probably right, somebody will take a flyer on him...

If Jerry even thinks about it (I sincerely doubt he will), I'm driving to Valley Ranch and chastising him severely about the head and shoulders... :D
 

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If this bs plea deal goes through, I hope the judge takes the liberty of rejecting it. Every other person involved, and now even his father, is saying he did it, and Vick is the one denying it.

This is not complicated. Vick is a self-serving weasel, and will say anything if it means he has even the slightest glimmer of hope for regaining an NFL career. I hope they see him for what he is and judge him accordingly.
 

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To be honest, I did not expect him to plead guilty to Dog Fighting, Gambling or killing the Dogs. I thought he would plead to Conspiracy which is what he was charged with. This doesn't really surprise me at all. However, it will be interesting to see what the Judge decides. The Judge can reject the plea and pursue another plea offering or just press additional charges. Or, the Judge may elect to accept the plea and just go heavy on the sentance. Either way, I'm not surprised but I am surprised about the interview with Vick's father. I was unaware of this interview. That is very interesting indeed. I honestly don't know how anybody can have question that Vick actually did actively participate in dog fighting but never the less, you see it. People blame the federal government for making him plead guilty by threatening him with RICO. Well, he is guilty of RICO. The fact that they are not pressing those charges is generous, IMO. Still, people insist that accepting a plea bargin is not the same as being guilty. OK, whatever.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1602680 said:
To be honest, I did not expect him to plead guilty to Dog Fighting, Gambling or killing the Dogs. I thought he would plead to Conspiracy which is what he was charged with.


Thats like a walk in the park. The Feds are basically letting him go if this in fact true. I guess we wont know for sure until monday.
 

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silverbear;1602482 said:
Why would the Feds, who hold all the cards, agree to let him plead to that, and not the gambling charges?? They have all the evidence they need to prove those charges...
Vick musta had some leverage :eek:
 

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Crown Royal;1603181 said:
I still think he just agreed to help, and they will be able to continue investigations.
^^^^ Also known as leverage.
 

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silverbear;1602482 said:
Why would the Feds, who hold all the cards, agree to let him plead to that, and not the gambling charges?? They have all the evidence they need to prove those charges...

Because they had an epiphany while eating their crispy bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken? :eek::
 

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AnyGivenSunday;1603197 said:
Because they had an epiphany while eating their crispy bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken? :eek::


Which is 100% legal to do.

At least they were not eating Virginia Fried Snoopy...


:cool:
 

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AnyGivenSunday;1603197 said:
Because they had an epiphany while eating their crispy bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken? :eek::


I bet Vick will miss that in the slam.
 

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5Stars;1603271 said:
Which is 100% legal to do.

At least they were not eating Virginia Fried Snoopy...


:cool:


:lmao:

Must be Friday. The fellas are getten Chippy!
 
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