Vick Plea Details:Vick admits dog killing, conspiracy

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Vick admits dog killing, conspiracy


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/24/michael.vick/index.html







(CNN) -- NFL star Michael Vick has admitted that he and his co-defendants killed dogs that did not fight well in papers filed on Friday with a federal court in Virginia.
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NFL star Michael Vick is set to appear in court Monday. A judge will have the final say on a plea deal.


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In a plea agreement, Vick said he would plead guilty to one count of "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture."
The charge is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Federal prosecutors agreed to ask for the low end of the sentencing guidelines.
In an additional statement of facts, signed by Vick and filed with the agreement, Vick admitted buying the property that was used for dogfighting but said he did not bet on the fights or receive any of the money won.
"Most of the 'Bad Newz Kennels'' operations and gambling monies were provided by Vick," the official summary of facts stated. Gambling wins were generally split between co-conspirators Tony Taylor, Quanis Phillips and sometimes Purnell Peace, it continued.
"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds from the purses that were won by 'Bad Newz Kennels.'"
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Vick also agreed that "collective efforts" by him and two others caused the deaths of at least six dogs.
In about April of this year, Vick, Peace and Phillips tested some dogs in fighting sessions at Vick's property in Virginia, the statement said. "Peace, Phillips and Vick agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning.
"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.
Three co-defendants -- Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, Virginia; Phillips, 28, of Atlanta; and Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia -- have already accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.
Vick, 27, is scheduled to appear in federal court in Richmond, Virginia, on Monday, where he is expected to plead guilty before a judge.
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If the judge accepts the deal, it means Vick will avoid more serious charges that might have been considered by a grand jury.
After Vick's indictment last month, National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered the quarterback not to report to the Falcons training camp, and the league is reviewing the case.
 

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This is a legal victory for Vick, he was not guilty on the gambling charges.
And a vague statement on his involvement in the killings.

Vick will do his time and be reinstated.
 

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Just because he dodged the gambling charges with the court doesn;t mean he can dodge them with the NFL. In an administrative hearing, Goodell can assume those charges are true since Vick pleaded to related charges. IT actually strongly supports the gambling charges because the witnesses relied upon in the court case have proven reliable. Ergo, Goodell can accept their statements as fact.

Vick would have to disprove the gambling allegations at an adminstrative hearing, and that will be tough to do. I think a lifetime ban is still on the table.
 

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What is going on here! There are articles saying Vick won't admit to killing dogs, now this article where Vick admits to particpating in killing dogs?

:bang2: I don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on here!

Either way...he's done and gone!!
 

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It is pretty clear that Vicks future was taken into deep consideration.

With pressure from outside organizations like the NAACP (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will probably stroll along soon) and other pro it-doesnt-matter-what-you-did-we-want-you-to-get-special-considerations-
because-we-are-fussing-about-it group...

Vick will probably not only get back to NFL... but there will be pressure for Blank not to let him go. Get ready for spin-this and spin-that.... SPINCITY!!!
 

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I think it's funny that Vick got a plea bargain because of pressure from outside organizations. I wonder what organizations must have been pressuring for the others to get the bargains.
 

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Here is a link to the PDF file of the plea agreement.

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BrAinPaiNt;1603044 said:
Here is a link to the PDF file of the plea agreement.

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I read that whole thing, but, I'm still confused as to whether Vick did or did not admit to killing dog?

How about it Cobra, or peplaw? How do you guys read it.

How about anyone else? How do you read it? Did he confess to that or not?


(i hate reading legal docs)

:confused:
 

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Vick will not be back in the NFL; it'd be a PR nightmare for a team.

Besides, there's better RB's on the market anyway. :)
 

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5Stars;1603050 said:
I read that whole thing, but, I'm still confused as to whether Vick did or did not admit to killing dog?

How about it Cobra, or peplaw? How do you guys read it.

How about anyone else? How do you read it? Did he confess to that or not?


(i hate reading legal docs)

:confused:

The thing says that he never actually did the killing but he was partially responsible for the killings.

In other words he knew the dogs were going to be killed, he agreed the dogs were to be killed, he OKed the dogs to be killed but his agreement says he never actually handled the dogs and drowned them or killed them.

So he would be like a captain in the mafia of sorts that gives the order to kill some one but does not actually pull the trigger himself.

That is what the papers are basically saying.


Another thing I found odd or sneaky I guess.

They said each fight would have a purse that the winner would take. I can only guess that both parties (Vicks Kennel and the opposing Kennel) would put in money to make the purse.

They also said besides the purse there would be side betting going on.

Vick's plea states that he was NOT a party to the side betting.

Vick's plea states that he did NOT get any of the purse.

That last one about not getting any of the purse just makes no sense to me. So did he never add to the purse and therefore never get any of the purse when his kennel won? If so does that mean only the other members in his kennel business were the ones putting the money in and winning the money?

That just sounds like a load of bull to me but the feds and vicks lawyers agreed to the deal so that is how it stands.
 

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Roger Cossack from ESPN also said that Vick is going to give the goverment information that could bring down other dogfighting rings, and that since that is very valuable information for them that there is the chance Vick could get no jail time at all.
 

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I bet he gets 6 - 8 months in jail and a 2007 and 2008 seasons suspension by the NFL ....

Then the Vikings, Raiders, or Skins will sign him. Little Napoleon is drooling.
 

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HopeCowboyFan;1602979 said:
This is a legal victory for Vick, he was not guilty on the gambling charges.
And a vague statement on his involvement in the killings.

Vick will do his time and be reinstated.


This is a legal victory for the govt. and the feds in that dog fighting is no longer on the back burner. Vick is done, finished and this being about him ended when the first member of his possee sang like a canary and the rest lined up like little ducks. We were all simply waiting for some form of legal action from that moment on.

Legal victory for Vick. :laugh2: Welp, I guess a guy has to have something to hang his hat on.
 

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zrinkill;1603070 said:
I bet he gets 6 - 8 months in jail and a 2007 and 2008 seasons suspension by the NFL ....

Then the Vikings, Raiders, or Skins will sign him. Little Napoleon is drooling.

I'm thinking 18 months. I think the feds being involved, the outcry with the public and the insanely brutal way in which the dogs were killed and treated, the judge will feel the need to flex the judicial muscles.

I don't think he'll be allowed back. I see a form of parole board environment when he applies for re-instatement. Peta and the likes will be there with their signage and mega-phones, etc. Kinda like the Mothers , fathers and family members of the murder victim showing up for the parole hearing with the murderer. JMO, Of course.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1603057 said:
The thing says that he never actually did the killing but he was partially responsible for the killings.

In other words he knew the dogs were going to be killed, he agreed the dogs were to be killed, he OKed the dogs to be killed but his agreement says he never actually handled the dogs and drowned them or killed them.

So he would be like a captain in the mafia of sorts that gives the order to kill some one but does not actually pull the trigger himself.

That's not how I read item #32 (p.8-9 of the agreement)...

32. In or about April 2007, PEACE, PHILLIPS, VICK, and two others "rolled" or "tested" additional "Bad Newz Kennels" dogs by putting the dogs through fighting sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road to determine which animals were good fighters. PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK.

From what I remember, this mirrors the wording of the other plea agreements. To me, this says Vick was there, was part of the fight testing, and worked with the other two to kill the dogs.
 

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dcdallaschick;1603143 said:
That's not how I read item #32 (p.8-9 of the agreement)...

32. In or about April 2007, PEACE, PHILLIPS, VICK, and two others "rolled" or "tested" additional "Bad Newz Kennels" dogs by putting the dogs through fighting sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road to determine which animals were good fighters. PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK.

From what I remember, this mirrors the wording of the other plea agreements. To me, this says Vick was there, was part of the fight testing, and worked with the other two to kill the dogs.

My bad.

On page 5, i think, it said that Vick and the other two knew the dogs would be killed but vick did not participate in the killing...at THIS TIME.

I did not catch that last part initially.

So it appears like he did not do it early on but is part of it later.

My mistake.
 

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I would think that Vick agreed to cooperate to bring other rings down, as was stated previously. That is really the only incentive I see for the feds to offer this deal
 

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dcdallaschick;1603143 said:
That's not how I read item #32 (p.8-9 of the agreement)...

32. In or about April 2007, PEACE, PHILLIPS, VICK, and two others "rolled" or "tested" additional "Bad Newz Kennels" dogs by putting the dogs through fighting sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road to determine which animals were good fighters. PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK.

From what I remember, this mirrors the wording of the other plea agreements. To me, this says Vick was there, was part of the fight testing, and worked with the other two to kill the dogs.
"Died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips, and Vick" doesn't = "Vick killed the dog."

Most of the time, these orders/agreements are very carefully worded, and you have to give them a very literal reading. Nowhere in this agreement does it say that Vick actually killed a dog.
 
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