Vick Plea Details:Vick admits dog killing, conspiracy

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peplaw06;1603178 said:
"Died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips, and Vick" doesn't = "Vick killed the dog."

Most of the time, these orders/agreements are very carefully worded, and you have to give them a very literal reading. Nowhere in this agreement does it say that Vick actually killed a dog.


"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.

What Peace and Phillips killed them but not Vick?

He said himself that it was a COLLECTIVE effort...which means he was part of the Killings...just like Peace and Phillips.

I've never before heard or read about a person themselves saying I was part of a Collective effort but then NOT be a part of it.
 

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peplaw06;1603178 said:
"Died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips, and Vick" doesn't = "Vick killed the dog."

Most of the time, these orders/agreements are very carefully worded, and you have to give them a very literal reading. Nowhere in this agreement does it say that Vick actually killed a dog.

So, peplaw, who do YOU think killed the dogs? If it does not say that Vick killed any dogs, it also says that Peace and Phillips did not kill dogs too.

:confused:

So, who killed the dogs?
 

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YoMick;1603015 said:
With pressure from outside organizations like the NAACP (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will probably stroll along soon) and other pro it-doesnt-matter-what-you-did-we-want-you-to-get-special-considerations-because-we-are-fussing-about-it group...

Vick will probably not only get back to NFL... but there will be pressure for Blank not to let him go. Get ready for spin-this and spin-that.... SPINCITY!!!

For exactly those reasons, I would not be surprised at all if we see Vick suiting up to play QB for the Falcons next year...

In fact, I'll be surprised if doesn't play next year.
 

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5Stars;1603248 said:
So, peplaw, who do YOU think killed the dogs? If it does not say that Vick killed any dogs, it also says that Peace and Phillips did not kill dogs too.

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So, who killed the dogs?

That was my point too.

Someone killed the Dogs...But wait...it didn't actually say that Peace or Phillips killed them.:rolleyes:
 

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ConcordCowboy;1603261 said:
That was my point too.

Someone killed the Dogs...But wait...it didn't actually say that Peace or Phillips killed them.:rolleyes:


That's what I'm asking also? peplaw says that it does not say that Vick killed any dogs, OK, I got that. It also says that the other two did not kill the dogs...so I guess...no dogs were actually killed...if what I'm reading from peplaw is right? :confused:
 

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Pep and the rest of the lawyers keep forgetting that Goodell can say: He killed dogs, he was involved in gambling, BYE BYE.

Bottom line is that Goodell can drop the hammer and its all up to him.
 

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5Stars;1603267 said:
That's what I'm asking also? peplaw says that it does not say that Vick killed any dogs, OK, I got that. It also says that the other two did not kill the dogs...so I guess...no dogs were actually killed...if what I'm reading from peplaw is right? :confused:

I think we all know the Real answer to the question.

Vick killed some dogs just like Peace and Phillips did.

There really is no doubt...just like there was never really was any doubt that he was involved with this whole mess from the beginning...Even though he denied it up until his fellow POS' decided to turn on him.
 

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burmafrd;1603295 said:
Pep and the rest of the lawyers keep forgetting that Goodell can say: He killed dogs, he was involved in gambling, BYE BYE.

Bottom line is that Goodell can drop the hammer and its all up to him.

Well, that is true, but, first things first. Everyone wanted the justice system to determine Vicks innocense or guilt, ok, got that. What happens with the NFL is a whole different can of worms...
 

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NFL suspends 'reprehensible' Vick indefinitely


League makes move hours after quarterback strikes plea deal


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20429109/

BREAKING NEWS
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Updated: 2:58 p.m. PT Aug 24, 2007

NEW YORK - The NFL indefinitely suspended Michael Vick without pay Friday just hours after he acknowledged in court papers that he did, indeed, bankroll gambling on dogfighting and helped kill some dogs not worthy of the pit.

Vick, however, insisted he placed no bets of his own nor took any winnings.

In disciplining Vick, commissioner Roger Goodell said Vick’s admitted conduct was “not only illegal but also cruel and reprehensible” and regardless whether he personally placed bets, “your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player.”

A “summary of facts” signed by Vick was filed along with his written plea agreement on a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. He will appear before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson to formally plead guilty Monday and then await sentencing at a later date.

The court documents and a statement by Vick’s legal team seek to portray him as less involved in the dogfighting ring than three co-defendants who previously pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

“While Mr. Vick is not personally charged with or responsible for committing all of the acts alleged in the indictment, as with any conspiracy charge, he is taking full responsibility for his actions and the actions of the others involved,” the defense team said in a written statement after the plea agreement was filed.

“Mr. Vick apologizes for his poor judgment in associating himself with those involved in dog fighting and realizes he should never have been involved in this conduct,” the statement said.

Vick signed the plea agreement late Thursday.

“Most of the Bad Newz Kennels operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick,” the summary of facts said, echoing language in plea agreements by the three co-defendants.

The statement said that when the kennel’s dogs won, the gambling proceeds were generally shared by Vick’s three co-defendants — Tony Taylor, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips.

“Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds of the purses that were won by Bad Newz Kennels,” the summary said.

According to the statement, Vick also was involved with the others in killing six to eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions last April. The dogs were executed by drowning or hanging.

“Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts” of Vick, Phillips and Peace, the statement said.

In the plea agreement, the government committed to recommending a sentence on the low end of the federal sentencing guideline range of a year to 18 months. However, the conspiracy charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, and the judge is not bound by any recommendation or by the guidelines.

Hudson has a reputation for imposing stiff sentences, according to lawyers who have appeared in his court. The judge will set a sentencing date at Monday’s hearing.

“Our position has been that we are going to try to help Judge Hudson understand all the facts and Michael’s role,” Vick’s defense attorney, Billy Martin, said in telephone interview. “Michael’s role was different than others associated with this incident.”

Martin said Vick will “speak to the public and explain his actions.” Though he declined to say when and where, the Tom Joyner Morning Show, a syndicated program based in Dallas, said it will have a live interview with Vick on Tuesday.

The U.S. attorney’s office, which has declined to comment on the case, said it would issue a statement after the hearing.

The case began in April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick’s cousin raided a Surry County property owned by Vick and found dozens of dogs, some injured, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting.

A federal indictment issued in July charged Vick, Peace, Phillips and Taylor with an interstate dogfighting conspiracy. Vick initially denied any involvement, and all four men pleaded innocent.

Taylor was the first to change his plea to guilty, saying Vick financed the dogfighting ring’s gambling and operations. Peace and Phillips soon followed, alleging that Vick joined them in killing dogs that did not measure up in test fights.

The sickening details outlined in the indictment and other court papers prompted a public backlash against Vick, who had been one of the NFL’s most popular players.

As animal-rights groups mobilized against Vick and sponsors dropped him, Vick was barred from the Falcons training camp, but neither the NFL nor the team have taken further action.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1603222 said:
"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.

What Peace and Phillips killed them but not Vick?

He said himself that it was a COLLECTIVE effort...which means he was part of the Killings...just like Peace and Phillips.

I've never before heard or read about a person themselves saying I was part of a Collective effort but then NOT be a part of it.
Exactly. He took part of killing those dogs regardless how it is worded. I guess Roger Cossack is full of it when he clearly said it meant Vick took part of killing those dogs.
 

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that plea doesn't make much sence, he's pleading guilty to sponsoring a dog in a fight, yet he didn't bet on the fight(s)? what a dumbarse if this is indeed what happened, all this turmoil for nothing?
 

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Bob Sacamano;1603442 said:
that plea doesn't make much sence, he's pleading guilty to sponsoring a dog in a fight, yet he didn't bet on the fight(s)? what a dumbarse if this is indeed what happened, all this turmoil for nothing?

As far as the gambling goes...to me it's like saying he didn't inhale.

BS.
 

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There were so many stories about Vick paying off gambling debts after fights-you can bet the NFL will find a way to document it.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1603442 said:
that plea doesn't make much sence, he's pleading guilty to sponsoring a dog in a fight, yet he didn't bet on the fight(s)? what a dumbarse if this is indeed what happened, all this turmoil for nothing?
Vick did admitted to gambling. From the summery of facts which Vick signed.

"a. traveling in interstate commerce and using the mail or any facility in interstate commerce with intent to promote, manage, establish, carry on and facilitate the promotion, management, establishment, and carrying on of an unlawful acitivity, to wit: a business enterprise involving gambling in violation of Virginia Code Anotated Sections 3.1-796.124(A)(2), 18-2-326, and 18.2-328, and thereafter performing and attempting to perform acts to commit any crime of violence to further any lawful activity and to promote, manage, establish, and carry on, and to facilitate the promotion, management, establishment, and carrying on of the unlawful activity, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1952"

The Virginia Code 3.1-769.124(A)(2) is as follows:

Va. Code Ann. § 3.1-796.124 (2007)

§ 3.1-796.124. Dogfighting; penalty

A. No person shall knowingly do any of the following:

1. Promote, engage in, or be employed in the [FONT=Verdana,Verdana]fighting[/FONT]of dogs for amusement, sport or gain;

2. Wager money or anything of value on the result of such [FONT=Verdana,Verdana]fighting; [/FONT]
 

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well good for Vick then, cuz like I always say, if you're going to take a legal hit, make sure you make it worth your while lol
 

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HopeCowboyFan;1602979 said:
This is a legal victory for Vick, he was not guilty on the gambling charges.
And a vague statement on his involvement in the killings.

You sound like you're glad... guess you don't think abusing animals for fun and profit is a bad thing...

Vick will do his time and be reinstated.

We'll see...
 

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As fast as Goodell dropped the hammer he must have had the details days in advance.

I think the key part of the suspension was the part involving gambling. I bet the NFL investigators are STILL working on that one.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1603369 said:
NEW YORK - The NFL indefinitely suspended Michael Vick without pay Friday just hours after he acknowledged in court papers that he did, indeed, bankroll gambling on dogfighting and helped kill some dogs not worthy of the pit.

Vick, however, insisted he placed no bets of his own nor took any winnings.

Y'know, for Goodell's purpose, that doesn't matter... nobody accused Hornung and Karras of placing bets when they were suspended, they were suspended for "associating with known gamblers"... if Vick "bankrolled" the gambling, then he associated with known gamblers...

regardless whether he personally placed bets, “your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player.”

That's what I'm talkin' about...

“Most of the Bad Newz Kennels operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick,” the summary of facts said, echoing language in plea agreements by the three co-defendants.

So, he put up the money, if his dog lost he lost that money... but if his dog won, he didn't win the money??

RIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTTT... I really believe that...
 

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I still say he gets away with it ..... Celebrities like him who have a huge fan base can get away with stuff regular joes like us would get the chair for.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1603459 said:
As far as the gambling goes...to me it's like saying he didn't inhale.

BS.

Plus, it seems like they (vick and his legal team) want everybody to go "awwww, well he didn't gamble... that means he didn't do anything wrong." are they crazy? I don't care if he gambled on it, he was the ring leader of this whole thing, I hope Zrinkill is 100% wrong (even though he's probably closer to right) and Vick never makes an NFL dime again, plus spends a good deal of time in jail.
 
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