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blindzebra
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They should suspend him tomorrow for a year.
Waiting serves no purpose since his career is all but over at that point anyway since he's facing at least 6 years.
The story alone is an embarrassment to the league.
The fact he lied to the Commish doesn't help.
The factor of superstar versus common player works against him as well.
Waiting serves no purpose since his career is all but over at that point anyway since he's facing at least 6 years.
The story alone is an embarrassment to the league.
The fact he lied to the Commish doesn't help.
The factor of superstar versus common player works against him as well.
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Due process really only applies in the courts. The NFL can decide this deserves a suspension at any point. It may be challenged, but that's not the point.
I don't think that Goodell wants this issue to be slime-ing up the NFL all through the next season. And Atlanta is looking at having a very distracted, and disliked QB. I can only imagine what the opposing fans are going to do with this when Vick steps in to their stadiums....
Anyone know when the first court procedings are going to take place?
I don't think that Goodell wants this issue to be slime-ing up the NFL all through the next season. And Atlanta is looking at having a very distracted, and disliked QB. I can only imagine what the opposing fans are going to do with this when Vick steps in to their stadiums....
Anyone know when the first court procedings are going to take place?
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arglebargle;1555415 said:
I believe his arraignment is July 26th.
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Given that an indictment is a statement that there is enough evidence to prosecute, I'd say Vick's association has already cast a negative light on the image of the NFL. At this point, he has already walked into a situation where, at the very best, he was negligent in knowing what permanent structures were built on his property. Very incriminating, indeed.
In the court of public opinion, there is considerable room for backlash against the pocketbooks of the NFL and the Falcons franchise. That could drive some punishment in the short term before the NFL ever finds out what the verdict is at the end of the trial.
On a side note, a Falcons - Browns matchup would be much more interesting if Vick were playing, due to the whole dog pound thing, but the 2007 schedule does not allow for that, and the case would be solved before the 2008 schedule comes out.
Talk about the nation unified behind the Browns winning one!!! Of course every Dallas fan would take an 0-16 Browns season in a heartbeat.
Back to the main topic, though a short term suspension is possible simply for terrible judgement, a season suspension is not out of the question. That will be a distraction for the whole year to a Falcons team who already is working with a new coach.
It's a tough call, but I say a season long suspension is most likely. Vick should bow out this year because his very presence is a distraction to the team. It's an interesting topic, and could be speculated all year long.
In the court of public opinion, there is considerable room for backlash against the pocketbooks of the NFL and the Falcons franchise. That could drive some punishment in the short term before the NFL ever finds out what the verdict is at the end of the trial.
On a side note, a Falcons - Browns matchup would be much more interesting if Vick were playing, due to the whole dog pound thing, but the 2007 schedule does not allow for that, and the case would be solved before the 2008 schedule comes out.
Talk about the nation unified behind the Browns winning one!!! Of course every Dallas fan would take an 0-16 Browns season in a heartbeat.
Back to the main topic, though a short term suspension is possible simply for terrible judgement, a season suspension is not out of the question. That will be a distraction for the whole year to a Falcons team who already is working with a new coach.
It's a tough call, but I say a season long suspension is most likely. Vick should bow out this year because his very presence is a distraction to the team. It's an interesting topic, and could be speculated all year long.
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I guess Marcus stomping on Louisville players, partying with underage girls and toting Gats through a McDonalds drive through is not gangsta enough for the Vick name....
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as an aside. Less then 1/3 of the founding fathers that were at the Constituitional Convention owned slaves. Many of those most involved with the actual work of constructing the Constituition were not slave owners.
Its a common misconception that some have tried hard to perpetuate due to their own agenda.
Its a common misconception that some have tried hard to perpetuate due to their own agenda.
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You all continue to forget a few basic things. Just like driving a car is not a right, but a privilege, playing in the NFL is not a right but a privlege. All players' contract include a phrase on player conduct "if it's detrimental to the game and the NFL". Also the new CBA includes a statement which gives the Commissioner the right to suspend a player whether he's convicted or not.
This indictment includes allegations of dogfighting across state lines, gambling, etc. (don't know if income tax evasion is included but if he won & didn't declare it on his taxes, then they have him on that as well) and it has been going on since 2001 and continued thru April 2007. Understand the 18 page indictment includes such details as he personally ordered the execution of several dogs, even took a trip to another state with his $23,000 in hand to pay off a debt to the winner of the dogfight, etc. Even has the name of the dogs, etc. In other words a lot of details and you can bet the feds know a lot more.
This is more then just a nightmare for the NFL and the Falcons. Last night CNN, Fox (O'Reilly), and MSNBC all carried segments re Vick & showed a clip about what happened at Vicks' VA house, etc. So it's not just a nightmare in the USA but rest of the world will get to see an NFL star screw up as well.
What kind of reception will Vick (and the Falcons) get when the team runs out onto the field particularly at away games? You can bet it won't be the usual boos and what/how many anti-Vick demonstrations will there be, how much of a distraction will Vick invariably become as the media turns a big spotlight on him to the detriment of football, etc. You can also bet opponents aren't going to treat him gently nor even other players on the team when they play him. How do these players explain to their children (particular to the smaller children) when their children here/see on television that Michael Vicks kills puppies & dogs. Besides we can to see Vick stand up in court to face charges and then we will get to see a federal trial in the fast paced & conservative 4th district/judicial court with all the details. The feds are out for blood because this is not a 1 time dogfight but going on since 2001 when Vick drafted until April 2007. Vick will be made an example cause he's the major prominent person they've ever been able to get evidence on.
BTW: Understand dogfighting is really becoming an underground major problem. It's not just the dogfighting alone as bad as that is but apparently drug use/sales is routine at such activities along with gambling, etc. In some cases even the execution of the dog that lost is part of the social activities in such a dogfight which the fans sit and watch after the dogfight itself. This whole Vick problem will be an issue the entire season and I really question how much the NFL can tolerant before action is taken by the Commish.
This indictment includes allegations of dogfighting across state lines, gambling, etc. (don't know if income tax evasion is included but if he won & didn't declare it on his taxes, then they have him on that as well) and it has been going on since 2001 and continued thru April 2007. Understand the 18 page indictment includes such details as he personally ordered the execution of several dogs, even took a trip to another state with his $23,000 in hand to pay off a debt to the winner of the dogfight, etc. Even has the name of the dogs, etc. In other words a lot of details and you can bet the feds know a lot more.
This is more then just a nightmare for the NFL and the Falcons. Last night CNN, Fox (O'Reilly), and MSNBC all carried segments re Vick & showed a clip about what happened at Vicks' VA house, etc. So it's not just a nightmare in the USA but rest of the world will get to see an NFL star screw up as well.
What kind of reception will Vick (and the Falcons) get when the team runs out onto the field particularly at away games? You can bet it won't be the usual boos and what/how many anti-Vick demonstrations will there be, how much of a distraction will Vick invariably become as the media turns a big spotlight on him to the detriment of football, etc. You can also bet opponents aren't going to treat him gently nor even other players on the team when they play him. How do these players explain to their children (particular to the smaller children) when their children here/see on television that Michael Vicks kills puppies & dogs. Besides we can to see Vick stand up in court to face charges and then we will get to see a federal trial in the fast paced & conservative 4th district/judicial court with all the details. The feds are out for blood because this is not a 1 time dogfight but going on since 2001 when Vick drafted until April 2007. Vick will be made an example cause he's the major prominent person they've ever been able to get evidence on.
BTW: Understand dogfighting is really becoming an underground major problem. It's not just the dogfighting alone as bad as that is but apparently drug use/sales is routine at such activities along with gambling, etc. In some cases even the execution of the dog that lost is part of the social activities in such a dogfight which the fans sit and watch after the dogfight itself. This whole Vick problem will be an issue the entire season and I really question how much the NFL can tolerant before action is taken by the Commish.
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ThreeSportStar80;1555324 said:
True, but the NFL already offically does "convict" people through suspensions before being found guilty. How can they change now?
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I don't quite fit into any of the poll categories.
I think the NFL should step back from the situation a little and not immediately succumb to the public outcry.
They need to look at the situation VERY closely, take some time, and be VERY sure that they have enough verifyable evidence at their disposal to take action.
Unlike many, I disagree with the notion that anyone accused of something should immediately be suspended. I believe that rather than act on emotion and public outcry they have to do everything possible in this situation to feel comfortable that their is plenty of verifyable evidence before acting.
If, however, they reach that conclusion, they should suspend him for at least a year.
One possible short term solution would to put him on a temporary suspension from playing in games, but allow him to workout with the team and prepare for the season while the NFL investigates the matter further. That would be kind of a token suspension, but that way they can at least take some action while taking the time to make sure they cover all their bases before taking a more decisive action.
I think the NFL should step back from the situation a little and not immediately succumb to the public outcry.
They need to look at the situation VERY closely, take some time, and be VERY sure that they have enough verifyable evidence at their disposal to take action.
Unlike many, I disagree with the notion that anyone accused of something should immediately be suspended. I believe that rather than act on emotion and public outcry they have to do everything possible in this situation to feel comfortable that their is plenty of verifyable evidence before acting.
If, however, they reach that conclusion, they should suspend him for at least a year.
One possible short term solution would to put him on a temporary suspension from playing in games, but allow him to workout with the team and prepare for the season while the NFL investigates the matter further. That would be kind of a token suspension, but that way they can at least take some action while taking the time to make sure they cover all their bases before taking a more decisive action.
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I want Vick to play this whole year. I want him to suffer and be miserable during every game he plays this year. I want him out in public so the fans can make their thoughts known to Mr. Mexico!
Let him play...yeah, let him play the whole season!
Let him play...yeah, let him play the whole season!
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Wait and see what the courts decide. How could it be anything else at this point.
However, IF he is found guilty. It should be suspension for life.
If it is true, they shot and tortured and killed dogs for losing. Maybe the judge should give this sentence.
The owner of the Falcons is hereby ordered to shoot and kill Mike Vick, if he loses a ballgame.
However, IF he is found guilty. It should be suspension for life.
If it is true, they shot and tortured and killed dogs for losing. Maybe the judge should give this sentence.
The owner of the Falcons is hereby ordered to shoot and kill Mike Vick, if he loses a ballgame.
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CrazyCowboy;1555232 said:
So is Pacman ... I didn't see people maiking this apology for him. I for one am glad pacman was suspended and think Vick should be as well. If you support Goodell's suspension policies, yo have to support them across the board. It does not matter if the player's name is Vick, Pacman, Brady or even Romo.
I am sure that i would be let go from my company if I was indicted on felony charges and had to miss alot of work to go to trial.