Vick Poll

[Stautner]

So is Pacman ... I didn't see people maiking this apology for him. I for one am glad pacman was suspended and think Vick should be as well. If you support Goodell's suspension policies, yo have to support them across the board. It does not matter if the player's name is Vick, Pacman, Brady or even Romo.

I am sure that i would be let go from my company if I was indicted on felony charges and had to miss alot of work to go to trial.

Again, Pacman has had 5-6 run in's with the law in ONE YEAR ..... and the ONLY YEAR he has been in the NFL (if he plays 4 more yars he could reach 30 scraps with the law, and he will still be a young man - plenty of time to expand the record) .......... and he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past.

Having that kind of history is what makes his case different.

 

[CoCo]

Again, Pacman has had 5-6 run in's with the law in ONE YEAR ..... and the ONLY YEAR he has been in the NFL (if he plays 4 more yars he could reach 30 scraps with the law, and he will still be a young man - plenty of time to expand the record) .......... and he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past.

Having that kind of history is what makes his case different.

I don't follow these stories closely like many do. I'm typically not very well informed on them so I don't know many details on Pac-Man or Vick, what's fact and what's hyperbole.

While PacMan indeed has been a regular customer of the police, and he allegedly was a principal in the incident which has crippled the bar owner, I'm not sure I consider his collective offenses to be a greater black eye for the NFL than the allegations surrounding Vick.

And with sufficient evidence existing to indict Vick, and if Goodell's first concern is indeed image of the league, what in the world is he waiting for? Nothing good comes from Vick being associated with the Falcons or NFL right now. Even if the guy is ultimately not convicted its going to be a circus and major distraction while the process plays out. Again, if Goodell's concern is for league image, Vick should be suspended in short order. If the NFL wants to wait for the arraignment or do a bit more investigating on their own, fine. But Vick should be suspended sooner rather than later for the good of the league.

How much moreso should the Falcons feel this way. I don't know all the cap ramifications of the different options available but I suspect the Falcons are going to want Vick away from the team sooner rather than later.

This can all be written off to league image & distraction without prematurely "convicting" the guy. Frankly, even if Vick is only the owner of the property and not involved, and is a stand up guy, he should undertand being suspended while this mess is sorted out.

 

[Stautner]

I don't follow these stories closely like many do. I'm typically not very well informed on them so I don't know many details on Pac-Man or Vick, what's fact and what's hyperbole.

While PacMan indeed has been a regular customer of the police, and he allegedly was a principal in the incident which has crippled the bar owner, I'm not sure I consider his collective offenses to be a greater black eye for the NFL than the allegations surrounding Vick.

And with sufficient evidence existing to indict Vick, and if Goodell's first concern is indeed image of the league, what in the world is he waiting for? Nothing good comes from Vick being associated with the Falcons or NFL right now. Even if the guy is ultimately not convicted its going to be a circus and major distraction while the process plays out. Again, if Goodell's concern is for league image, Vick should be suspended in short order. If the NFL wants to wait for the arraignment or do a bit more investigating on their own, fine. But Vick should be suspended sooner rather than later for the good of the league.

How much moreso should the Falcons feel this way. I don't know all the cap ramifications of the different options available but I suspect the Falcons are going to want Vick away from the team sooner rather than later.

This can all be written off to league image & distraction without prematurely "convicting" the guy. Frankly, even if Vick is only the owner of the property and not involved, and is a stand up guy, he should undertand being suspended while this mess is sorted out.

As has been mentioned - the point isn't that Pacman's offenses have been worse, it's that he has exhausted his credibility with the league. Plus he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past.

While the allegations against Vick are worse, Vick has nether admitted anything or have had anything proven against him, and he doesn't suffer from the same loss of credibility that a habitual lawbreaker like Pacman does.

He's probably guilty, and as the evidence comes in the NFL may determine they have seen enough to justify taking action at some point, but this is not an immediate action no-brainer like with Pacman.

 

[CoCo]

As has been mentioned - the point isn't that Pacman's offenses have been worse, it's that he has exhausted his credibility with the league. Plus he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past.

While the allegations against Vick are worse, Vick has nether admitted anything or have had anything proven against him, and he doesn't suffer from the same loss of credibility that a habitual lawbreaker like Pacman does.

He's probably guilty, and as the evidence comes in the NFL may determine they have seen enough to justify taking action at some point, but this is not an immediate action no-brainer like with Pacman.

I'm just sayin that to the average NFL fan, and even non-NFL fan, which player do you think gives the league a bigger black-eye right now?

Which player would get the most focus by being in camp, playing in a game, showing up as a topic on pre-game shows for all the wrong reasons, etc?

For me, the answer is clearly Michael Vick.

 

[AtlCB]

I want Vick to play this whole year. I want him to suffer and be miserable during every game he plays this year. I want him out in public so the fans can make their thoughts known to Mr. Mexico!

Let him play...yeah, let him play the whole season!

I predict Vick will get booed in Atlanta. You should hear talk radio over here. The fans are pissed!

 

[AtlCB]

As has been mentioned - the point isn't that Pacman's offenses have been worse, it's that he has exhausted his credibility with the league. Plus he has admitted to wrongdoing in the past.

While the allegations against Vick are worse, Vick has nether admitted anything or have had anything proven against him, and he doesn't suffer from the same loss of credibility that a habitual lawbreaker like Pacman does.

He's probably guilty, and as the evidence comes in the NFL may determine they have seen enough to justify taking action at some point, but this is not an immediate action no-brainer like with Pacman.

Vick gets a pass, because he's a liar?

 

[CoCo]

I might also feel that PacMan Jones, by virtue of at least partial honesty and recognition of his shortcomings has more credibility than Michael Vick does.

I'm not adamant about all this. Not suggesting Goodell is out to lunch. Just based on what I know, I'm not sure why he's waiting to put Mike in timeout. But Goodell obviously understands it all much better than I.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Where is the Suspend Vick for Life if the courts convict him? So, I just say just let him fight with the dogs.

 

[Stautner]

Vick gets a pass, because he's a liar?

Come on - are you uneducated or live in an igloo with no access to the real world?

The clear point is that PROOF is required ........ and if it's proven that he is lying then the hammer should come down on him ........ HARD.

It's funny how people let emotions get in the way of logic.

Or do you not believe in the principles of American justice ......... do you believe that people aren't entitled to due process and that the mere accusation of wrongdoing is sufficient to condemn a person?

If that's the case, I accuse you of murder ...... now turn yourself in to death row and let's get on with the execution.

 

[AtlCB]

Come on - are you uneducated or live in an igloo with no access to the real world?

that was mature

The clear point is that PROOF is required ........ and if it's proven that he is lying then the hammer should come down on him ........ HARD.

It's funny how people let emotions get in the way of logic.

Or do you not believe in the principles of American justice ......... do you believe that people aren't entitled to due process and that the mere accusation of wrongdoing is sufficient to condemn a person?

If that's the case, I accuse you of murder ...... now turn yourself in to death row and let's get on with the execution.

I'm not saying he should be executed; I just believe he should be suspended. He has just been indicted by the Feds! Do you really believe they have no proof? Goodell has been suspending players before they have actually been convicted.

A person needs to be convicted or plead guilty to receive punishment from the government. A person does not have to be convicted to be fired or suspended from their job.

 

[Stautner]

that was mature


I'm not saying he should be executed; I just believe he should be suspended. He has just been indicted by the Feds! Do you really believe they have no proof? Goodell has been suspending players before they have actually been convicted.

A person needs to be convicted or plead guilty to receive punishment from the government. A person does not have to be convicted to be fired or suspended from their job.

Okay -that wasn't so mature.

But don't take the execution thing literally - that was an analogy.

The point was not that a player has to be convicted of a crime - I've never said that - but he does have to have more than a mere accusation.

The league investigates these things, then if it's determined that there is sufficient evidence to believe that Vick has done something improper, THEN they act.

Like I said, if there is evidence that he is lying, then he shoul be punished, but just a gut feeling or personal feeling about Vick doesn't cut it.

That's why Pacman is different - he has proved over and over and ove again he is untrustworthy - he has no more credibility.

 

[joseephuss]

I vote wait and see how things play out. They don't have to wait until a final verdict, but until things at least really get started. What if Vick was suspended tomorrow, but next week the case was dropped? Give it some time. I know the NFL and Goodell have the right to suspend him if they see this as a black eye. I don't question that they have the power. Having it and using it are different.

And waiting does not mean giving Vick preferential treatment. The league waited to suspend Pacman, Henry and Tank. Their cases(the ones they were suspended for) were around for a year. Goodell may not have waited for final verdicts in each case, but he did get a good feel on how those pending cases were going to end up. It is too early to tell what will happen with Vick.

I saw a poster mention Pacman's Las Vegas incident. Pacman was not suspended for that. Depending on how that case plays out, he could be seeing more suspension time. Each case is different and each back story is different. Waiting may provide the NFL with it best case to give Vick the harshest penalty and longest suspension.

I think Vick is guilty of something. To what extent I don't know. I think he will face a suspension.

 

[joseephuss]

that was mature


I'm not saying he should be executed; I just believe he should be suspended. He has just been indicted by the Feds! Do you really believe they have no proof? Goodell has been suspending players before they have actually been convicted.

A person needs to be convicted or plead guilty to receive punishment from the government. A person does not have to be convicted to be fired or suspended from their job.

Goodell is not blindly handing out suspensions.

Pacman had already been found guilty in one marijunana possession case. He broke an NFL rule for not reporting two of his arrests. Sure he had some pending cases, but Goodell had a good idea how they would end.

Henry already had guilty pleas in a case as well.

Tank Johnson had already served jail time.

None of their suspensions were based solely on just being arrested or indicted. There was more substance to that.

 

[Stautner]

Goodell is not blindly handing out suspensions.

Pacman had already been found guilty in one marijunana possession case. He broke an NFL rule for not reporting two of his arrests. Sure he had some pending cases, but Goodell had a good idea how they would end.

Henry already had guilty pleas in a case as well.

Tank Johnson had already served jail time.

None of their suspensions were based solely on just being arrested or indicted. There was more substance to that.

This point is so obvious I am amazed people don't see it.

I think it's just that they are so blinded by the nature of what Vick is accused of that they don't see it.

 

[jimmy40]

I miss an option like; suspension not needed, which ever team hires him will go down automaticly...

I really can't see any franchise that can support a player with that kind of background (grounded he's guilty). I'm just glad Jerry is smart enough to never consider hiring the guy.

EDIT: I don't care if he goes to jail or not. If it's just half true, then my meaning stands.

Teams support players that beat the hell out of women. Where's the outrage for that?

 

[03EBZ06]

I think most of us believe Goodell will wait and see how the trial pans out before he takes an action, if needed.

So the question is what should Falcons do?

Do they keep quite and let Vick come to TC and play the regular season and deal with the media circus and just accept negative publicity?

Or

Do they separated themselves from Vick by suspending Vick and deal with a terrible season with whatever QB they pick to start?

Either way, they are in a terrible situation but which one is worst of two evil? What will they do?

 

[5Stars]

Either way, they are in a terrible situation but which one is worst of two evil? What will they do?

IMO, It would be better for Vick if he just took a vacation this year to set things right...that's what the Falcons should do, or release him?

Because if he has to play in these staidums this year...not good!

The best thing for Vick and the Falcons is for him to sit this year..get it right.

 

[5Stars]

Teams support players that beat the hell out of women. Where's the outrage for that?

Different thing, my friend.

Hurt me once? Shame on you.. Hurt me twice...shame on me! That applies to boys and girls.


Dogs don't get that choice to walk away like we can.

 

[03EBZ06]

IMO, It would be better for Vick if he just took a vacation this year to set things right...that's what the Falcons should do, or release him?

Because if he has to play in these staidums this year...not good!

The best thing for Vick and the Falcons is for him to sit this year..get it right.

Yup, if I was Blank, this approach is what I'd take. But he have a tough decision to make, hope it's the right one.

 

[Stautner]

Different thing, my friend.

Hurt me once? Shame on you.. Hurt me twice...shame on me! That applies to boys and girls.


Dogs don't get that choice to walk away like we can.

This explains a lot of your hostility for me - your love of animals blinds you to reality.

I love animals too - have always owned them and loved them - but lets face a little reality........

Just because a woman can walk away from spousal abouse doesn't make it any more right for the man to do it, and it doesn't make the man a better person that deserves the support of his teammates.

You are essentially blaming the woman if a man beats her a second time and saying the team should support the player because the woman should have known he would do it.